AWACS will change Asia's military dynamics

[Vinod2070]

^^ Yes, all he wanted to do was loiter on the base and "look smart" in the anti G suit. I am sure he belonged to the "most plain of men" category!

The Anti G suit was and perhaps still is an amazing article of apparel that transforms the most plain of men into handsome heroes. Women have their wonderbras; fighter pilots their Anti G suits!

Pakistanis have written accounts of how their air force chief said: "Let the navy fight their own battles" and "Let the army fight their own battles". IAF pounded their country and dared them to come out and the cowards stay put in their bunkers!

Some excellent analysis of 1971 war:

1971 India-Pakistan War: The Air War - Case West

1971 India-Pakistan War: Protecting the Skies: Air War in the East

 

[MMuthu]

Very good Article, I read a Pakistan Article..... there the author mentioned that Pakistan have defeated India in all the three wars..... Why are they always speaking like that?

 

[Su-47]

Very good Article, I read a Pakistan Article..... there the author mentioned that Pakistan have defeated India in all the three wars..... Why are they always speaking like that?

To satisfy themselves. To this day many Pakistanis refuse to aknowledge the fact that they suffered more casualties in 1965,1971 and 1999 though independent sources have confirmed it. Some call 1965 a victory and 1971 a stalemate (since W.Pak didn't fall). They call Kargil a blunder and insists Pak inflicted much more casualties on India, and when some Indian comes up with proof to contradict the claim, they say that PA was not involved and India was fighting Mujahideen.

For many, Pakistan is invincible, for the simple reason that they refuse to acknowledge the defeat. Some of them convince themselves Pak beat India coz the idea of India beating pak, or inflicting more casualties on Pak, is unbearable.otherwise

This view is representative of a few internet frequenters i have encountered, and do not by any means reflect the views of everyone in the nation. I have also encountered a few indians who refuse to admit defeat in 1962 war with china, so this type of attitude isn't necessarily confined to Pakistan alone.

 

[johnee]

Very good Article, I read a Pakistan Article..... there the author mentioned that Pakistan have defeated India in all the three wars..... Why are they always speaking like that?

Pakistan is a Honour and Diginity(H&D) based society. Ever heard of honour killings! They do everything that they can to keep themselves on par with India. Anything that India has, they must have it too(whether they need or not). Why? To assuage their H&D. To satisfy themselves that they are no less than us(evil kufr lowly yindoos). This H&D syndrome is the reason for all things wrong in baaki nation.

For, them obfuscating and fudging the facts is small issue when they have to protect their H&D. They will continue to proclaim that India has never won a war against the brave Tall, Fair and Tight Assed(TFTA) PA. We have to understand that they are trying to protect their H&D.

 

[Vinod2070]

^^ H&D is precisely what they lack. The last thing that comes to your mind when you think of Pakistan and Pakistanis, especially the variety that we come across most of the time.

 

[nitesh]

To satisfy themselves. To this day many Pakistanis refuse to aknowledge the fact that they suffered more casualties in 1965,1971 and 1999 though independent sources have confirmed it. Some call 1965 a victory and 1971 a stalemate (since W.Pak didn't fall). They call Kargil a blunder and insists Pak inflicted much more casualties on India, and when some Indian comes up with proof to contradict the claim, they say that PA was not involved and India was fighting Mujahideen.

For many, Pakistan is invincible, for the simple reason that they refuse to acknowledge the defeat. Some of them convince themselves Pak beat India coz the idea of India beating pak, or inflicting more casualties on Pak, is unbearable.otherwise

This view is representative of a few internet frequenters i have encountered, and do not by any means reflect the views of everyone in the nation. I have also encountered a few indians who refuse to admit defeat in 1962 war with china, so this type of attitude isn't necessarily confined to Pakistan alone.

Guys this is not the right thread, my view is Here

 

[nitesh]

The Hindu : Front Page : Phalcon AWACS to arrive on May 24

With the induction of the Phalcons, frontline IAF fighters like Sukhoi-30MKIs, Mirage-2000s and Jaguars will now be backed by “eyes in the sky” to look much beyond the country’s borders through direct data linking.

The remaining two aircraft would be delivered by mid or late 2010, if everything goes according to schedule, defence sources said. “The experience gained in the integration of the first one will come in handy with the rest,” they felt.

Negotiations between India and Israel for the purchase of three more Phalcon AWACS are said to be in an advanced stage.

The IAF proposes to integrate them with other air and ground assets.

All the six AWACS will be linked with the country’s first military satellite proposed to be launched by the middle of next year.

 

[chandrahass]

India to receive first Phalcon AWACS on May 24- Politics/Nation-News-The Economic Times

As per this news clip IAF wll fly it home . Wonder will it fly with some sescort and will it fly over Pakistani airspace .

Wonder what if the crew accidently turn on PHALCON 's radar over pakistani airspace :blum3::blum3:....

 

[bhramos]

IAF Phalcon AWACS to arrive on May 24.

Phalcon AWACS to arrive on May 24 .

“Eyes in the sky” will help track incoming missiles

Jerusalem: Barring a last-minute hiccup, the Indian Air Force (IAF) pilots will fly home the first of the three Phalcon Airborne Early Warning and Control Systems (AWACS) on Sunday, making India the first country in the South-Asian region to have this capability.

“It’s ready to leave on May 24 for Jamnagar,” defence sources said here on Wednesday. The delivery of the multi-billion dollar aircraft was scheduled for May 18, but last minute technical check-ups delayed its departure.

The AWACS will provide India the means to track incoming missiles and look deep into the neighbouring countries under all weather conditions.

AWACS are primarily used for detection of incoming hostile cruise missiles and aircraft from hundreds of km away in all weather conditions and directing air defence fighters during combat operations against enemy jets. It also helps detect troop build-up in hostile territories.

With the induction of the Phalcons, frontline IAF fighters like Sukhoi-30MKIs, Mirage-2000s and Jaguars will now be backed by “eyes in the sky” to look much beyond the country’s borders through direct data linking.

The delivery of the first of the three aircraft, bought at a whopping $1.1 billion, is almost a year and a half behind schedule.

Under the tripartite deal among India, Russia and Israel, the aircraft should have been delivered by the end of March this year.

The Phalcon is mounted on Russian Ilyushin-76 airframe, but integration of the Phalcon radars with the aircraft had led to technical difficulties and delay in the programme.

The remaining two aircraft would be delivered by mid or late 2010, if everything goes according to schedule, defence sources said. “The experience gained in the integration of the first one will come in handy with the rest,” they felt.

Negotiations between India and Israel for the purchase of three more Phalcon AWACS are said to be in an advanced stage.

The IAF proposes to integrate them with other air and ground assets.

All the six AWACS will be linked with the country’s first military satellite proposed to be launched by the middle of next year. — PTI

The Hindu : Front Page : Phalcon AWACS to arrive on May 24

Wat a Great news...............:2guns::2guns:

 

[nitesh]

Agra gets ready to receive IAF’s first eye in the sky

The first of India’s three Airborne Early Warning and Control Systems (AWACS), a Phalcon Israeli radar system mounted on a Russian IL-76 aircraft, will arrive in Agra this month — reports from Jerusalem suggest possibly this Sunday via Jamnagar— and completely change the way the IAF functions. The other two Phalcons—Phased Array L-Band Conformal Radar— are expected next year.

Such is the capability of the system that India, for example, can now position a Phalcon over Srinagar to pick up objects flying near its consulate in Jalalabad in Afghanistan.

Two AWACS flying in coordination with the Aerostat radars, for example, will be able to cover and detect movements at most Pakistani airbases from well within Indian airspace.

 

[Terminator]

There is nothing sweet for an Defense forces than knowing whats a happening in enemy territories.I am curious to know can these radars pick up missile launches too or only for aircrafts only?

 

[Vinod2070]

^^ They can pick missile launches too.

 

[Terminator]

So we can detect babur and neutralise it much faster??

 

[Vinod2070]

Detect earlier, yes.

Neutralize. :unsure:

 

[nitesh]

the wait: ..............

PIB Press Release

Heralding a new chapter, the first Indian Air Force AWACS (Airborne Warning and Control System) platform that altogether sets to alter the dimension of the see-through capability of the IAF beyond conventional visions of ground-based and tethered electromagnetic sensors, will arrive in India on May 25.

On its maiden flight from Israel to India, the veritable flying-giant with an all-pervasive electromagnetic vision will land first at Jamnagar in western Gujarat and arrive at Palam airport the following day. Although slated to operate from Agra, home to the mammoth Ilyushin family in India, an induction ceremony awaits the first AWACS in the National Capital.

The ceremony will be attended by among others the Chief of the Air Staff, Vice Chief of the Air Staff, Air Officer Commanding-in-Chiefs of the Western and Central Air Command and other senior dignitaries from the Ministry of Defence, Air HQs besides air warriors from the squadron itself.

The AWACS is an airborne mission support system fitted on an IL-76 aircraft with improved engines. With radar that can help detect even a cruise missile or an aircraft at ranges far more than the ranges detected through the present ground-based radars, the AWACS radar, most sophisticated to date, can collate surface information about troop movements and missile launches even while listening to highly confidential communications between enemy frontline units.

Air combats the world over are now envisaged in an ever-increasing electronic surveillance environment where pilots have little liberties for individual manouevring without endangering their own lives or safety of their aircraft. The IAF AWACS will help pilots find hitherto unconceivable space and room for tactical manouevres in the air under controlled directions that will give them an edge over their adversaries at all times.

AWACS, a potent force-multiplier, will significantly enhance the effectiveness of both - offensive and defensive operations. The intensity and pace of modern air battle need AWACS for a successful air defence umbrella to be maintained. The swift mobility that the AWACS platform provides will help neutralize any threat as it can be moved anywhere at a very short notice.

 

[nitesh]

This is really interesting: Does this means that AWACS can decrypt the communications too?

The Hindu : Front Page : IAF to get its first AWACS on Monday

NEW DELHI: The first Indian Air Force AWACS (Airborne Warning and Control System) platform, which is set to alter the dimension of the see-through capability of the IAF beyond conventional visions of ground-based and tethered electromagnetic sensors, will arrive in India on May 25.

On its maiden flight from Israel to India, the veritable flying-giant with an all-pervasive electromagnetic vision will land at Jamnagar, Gujarat, and arrive at the Palam airport the following day.

Although slated to operate from Agra, home to the mammoth Ilyushin family, an induction ceremony awaits the first AWACS in the national capital. The ceremony will be attended by among others the Chief of the Air Staff, Vice-Chief of the Air Staff, Air Officer Commanding-in-Chiefs of the Western and Central Air Command and other senior dignitaries from the Ministry of Defence, Air HQs besides air warriors from the squadron itself, a Defence Ministry release said.

The AWACS is an airborne mission support system fitted on an Il-76 aircraft with improved engines. With radar that can help detect even a cruise missile or an aircraft at ranges far more than the ranges detected through the present ground-based radars, the AWACS radar, most sophisticated to date, can collate surface information about troop movements and missile launches even while listening to highly confidential communications between enemy frontline units.

 

[Terminator]

The specification set by us is very high we can see it in Sukhoi itself making some of our imports the best of that class.We go for quality and not quantity.

 

[prahladh]

Waiting for May27th and the aftermath on Pak.

What are we doing to protect these AWACS which are less in number. Do they have counter-measures against AWAC killers.

Pakistan to counter Indian AWACS deal: daily

 

[nitesh]

Waiting for May27th and the aftermath on Pak.

What are we doing to protect these AWACS which are less in number. Do they have counter-measures against AWAC killers.

Pakistan to counter Indian AWACS deal: daily

I don't know what you specifically meant by the bold part. But every plane can be bought down if correct techniques are applied. AWACS never fly alone they will have dedicated escorts plus with it's huge range they will see any threat approaching from a long distance and able to change there flight path accordingly.

 

[jackprince]

Rimser meant FT-2000. But it has a range of 100km right now which IMO is insufficient to kill an AWACS as AWACS have far more range than that. Also It will be foolhardy to send an AWACS inside an enemy territory until total air-dominance is achieved, and that means including surface based threats too. And there is Harpys in Indian arsenal along with all sorts of missiles and multi-role a/cs whose first priority would be suppression of enemy air-defence.

Also, AWACS certainly have there own defensive measures - chaffs, ECM suites etc. along with fighter escort. Another point is there haven't been a single AWACS been shot yet, so it is hard to say how effective FT-2000 will be.

But, one thing for sure if AWACS is within effective range of the missile it might be hard to survive if all Counter measures fails as AWACS are not agile or fast, a supersonic missile will hit it within a few minutes max. But also a bulky SAM system is hard to hide, since India already has satellites to monitor battle-field.