Avoiding Nuclear War in South Asia

[no smoking]

We are not talking about Russian missiles or american missiles here. We are talking about Chincom supplied /NoKo supplied mijjiles. So Indian BMD standards would do for now.

And we are not talking about Russian BMD, American BMD, or even Chinese BMD here, either. Even for the most advanced one of them--American, their BMD won't mature until 2020. So forget Indian BMD.

 

[Mad Indian]

And we are not talking about Russian BMD, American BMD, or even Chinese BMD here, either. Even for the most advanced one of them--American, their BMD won't mature until 2020. So forget Indian BMD.

Indian BMD is already in place in several major cities . come out of your ass and see the world for what it is

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Your stupidity knows no bounds. The max Hiroshima bomb killed in Japan was 100000. If you think that sized bomb will be enough yo destroy Delhi which is 20 times as big then you are grade a moron who understand basic math.

You need to study about after effects of nuclear explosion in a city like mass hysteria, breakdown in essential infrastructure like water, sanitation, electricity, etc. You also need to take in account of radio-active fallout.
Until you do the above kindly refrain from entering discussion.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

And we are not talking about Russian BMD, American BMD, or even Chinese BMD here, either. Even for the most advanced one of them--American, their BMD won't mature until 2020. So forget Indian BMD.

Can you create a thread and post some information about Chinese BMD. Thats a avenue we have not explored.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

And we are not talking about Russian BMD, American BMD, or even Chinese BMD here, either. Even for the most advanced one of them--American, their BMD won't mature until 2020. So forget Indian BMD.

Can you create a thread and post some information about Chinese BMD. Thats a avainue we have not explored.

 

[Chinmoy]

If any one want to win a nuclear war, politically and strategically, then the safe bet would be to use low yield weapons. We have a danger of radioactive fall out and all the after effects, but a low yield blast at a proper altitude would serve a better purpose then using a high yield weapon. The most devastating outcome of any nuclear weapon strategically, as per me, is the EMP blast. There is no point in turning over a place into graveyard and let it remain unused for next 50 to 100 years. It is much better to disable the strategic points with EMP and make use of it for your own gain.

 

[Compersion]

Has united nations force be threatened with nuclear weapons.

Fine if Indian army on pakistan soil the pakis will try and nuke them.

If united nations force on Pakistan soil ... You never know pakistan might need a united nations type force to be present inside pakistan due to ...

 

[no smoking]

Indian BMD is already in place in several major cities . come out of your ass and see the world for what it is

You mean those BMD which Indian scientists claimed 99% killing rate? Americans possessed the similar system since 1990s, but they still kept spending billions of dollars on their mid-course missile defence system. That tells you how they think of this kind of system.

 

[no smoking]

Can you create a thread and post some information about Chinese BMD. Thats a avenue we have not explored.

There is really not much information about Chinese BMD since the whole project was kept in secret until their test was exposed by Americans in 2010. So far, all we know is: there were only 2 countries did mid-course missile interception test successfully--USA and China, both of them are working on kind of GMD system. Chinese believes that US system will be matured around 2020 and their own target is 2025. But Chinese has nothing to match American's Standard 3 system.

 

[A chauhan]

You mean those BMD which Indian scientists claimed 99% killing rate? Americans possessed the similar system since 1990s, but they still kept spending billions of dollars on their mid-course missile defence system. That tells you how they think of this kind of system.

We are talking about Indo-Pak war and not US-Russia or US-China war.

At least we have Phase-1 BMD, what about Pakistan ? We know no BMD can guarantee 100% or even 80% interception, so can we call BMDs useless?

India is also about to complete Phase-2 BMD and Anti-Cruise-Missile-Defence and for that it already has acquired AWACS, within 10 years Pakistani nuclear blackmail will end. DRDO itself has said that a mature BMD will take 8 more years.

BTW forget mid-course interception it also is insufficient for MIRVs.

 

[sayareakd]

BTW who holds the Nuke trigger in Pakistan ?

Terrorists, who else. They are with or without uniform terrorists.

 

[A chauhan]

Terrorists, who else. They are with or without uniform terrorists.

Right, it rejects the thread title, nuclear war is unavoidable since Jihadi Pakis will use nukes on very first opportunity at least we should presume so for our safety.

 

[no smoking]

We are talking about Indo-Pak war and not US-Russia or US-China war.
At least we have Phase-1 BMD, what about Pakistan ? We know no BMD can guarantee 100% or even 80% interception, so can we call BMDs useless?

No, the situation your BMD system facing is even worse than US-Russia or US-China. Russia and China's ground based missiles have to fly thousands miles before reach their American target, this distance give American at least 15-20 minutes warning time. In the case of Indo-Pak war, you may only have 5 minutes or even less.

And currently, American's system would allow them to handle only 5-10 missile simultaneously. So, basically, India's BMD system is useless in a nuclear war.

India is also about to complete Phase-2 BMD and Anti-Cruise-Missile-Defence and for that it already has acquired AWACS, within 10 years Pakistani nuclear blackmail will end. DRDO itself has said that a mature BMD will take 8 more years.

So far, India hasn't done any test beyond 2000km yet, which means you are far from the end of Phase-2. DRDO said a lot of things, the history tells us most of them didn't come true.

BTW forget mid-course interception it also is insufficient for MIRVs.

Wrong, the idea of mid-course interception is to destroy the launcher before it throws out the sub-warheads.

 

[tarunraju]

No, the situation your BMD system facing is even worse than US-Russia or US-China. Russia and China's ground based missiles have to fly thousands miles before reach their American target, this distance give American at least 15-20 minutes warning time. In the case of Indo-Pak war, you may only have 5 minutes or even less.

America is closer to China, than China is to America. If America launches from friendly sites close to China (eg: Guam), then your response time is in single-digit minutes. Whereas Chinese launches give America plenty of response time.

Besides, most nuclear launch spook has moved from land-based systems to submarine launched. So in a nuclear exchange, both US and China will be within 5 minutes of response-time of each other, when you're using SLBMs to deliver your chocolates. India is already on a sustainable growth curve with SSBNs.

And currently, American's system would allow them to handle only 5-10 missile simultaneously. So, basically, India's BMD system is useless in a nuclear war.

That's 5-10 missiles per city. if Pakistan launches 10 missiles per city, they'd have depleted their arsenal in 1 strike, and only hit 10-15 out of 100s of Indian cities (places with >2 million population). So they'll keep their strike down to 2-3 warheads per city, which our BMD can comfortably handle. We, on the other hand, will unload over the entire Sindh skidmark.

So far, India hasn't done any test beyond 2000 km yet, which means you are far from the end of Phase-2. DRDO said a lot of things, the history tells us most of them didn't come true.

Last I checked, we were talking about Pakistan, and we don't need anything with >2,000 km range to hit anything in Pakistan.

 

[hit&run]

COAS ................................

There can be more people than just one.

 

[hit&run]

You mean those BMD which Indian scientists claimed 99% killing rate? Americans possessed the similar system since 1990s, but they still kept spending billions of dollars on their mid-course missile defence system. That tells you how they think of this kind of system.

How much you Chinese pretend to hate USA, you all end up sucking up to them by using them as reference to make a point against India. Spending billion doesn't equal to intelligent.

We have many examples where on shoe string budget we have kept our capabilities at par with China that you need a proxy like Pakistan to bring in the alleged balance.

By your logic China could have been a hyper power by now who spent billions on R&D. We all know what happened afterwards when you ended up scamming Russian IPRs or begged them for every critical component.

You look like to me a casual poster who read negative Indian media reports then to feel good about it. Your ignorance is our bliss. It help us treat you guys as chew toys.

Indian BMDs is a reality and we know on ground how Pakistan is gasping for its options and making changes. That's what matters, than what a rag-tag trolls has to say.

Last time when I read a staunch China watcher; he was countering Ballistic missile defense by making more cheap missile en mass to overwhelm BMDs. His argument was Cheap works better than costly.

One of the poster above has already addressed the same cheap BMs launched en-mass as a non starter because either Pakistan will use conventional warhead of no crippling effect or Nukes and exhaust all her arsenal. Not to mention India response will end their existence for good long years before Chinese start populating their lands along KKH.

 

[no smoking]

America is closer to China, than China is to America. If America launches from friendly sites close to China (eg: Guam), then your response time is in single-digit minutes. Whereas Chinese launches give America plenty of response time.

Based on the number of missiles in their hands, the Americans don't need to worry about Chinese BMD at all.

Besides, most nuclear launch spook has moved from land-based systems to submarine launched. So in a nuclear exchange, both US and China will be within 5 minutes of response-time of each other, when you're using SLBMs to deliver your chocolates. India is already on a sustainable growth curve with SSBNs.

Only USA. Russia and China don't have the navy power to support their submarines. Yes, they are building up their submarine fleet. But before their naval can control certain part of sea, they have to rely on their ground based missile.

Chinese JL-2's range is only 8000km, which means they have travel nearly 1000km alone under USN's threat before reaching their launch site.

If American is 10, then
Russia--7;
France--5;
British--4;
China--3;
India--0.5.

That's 5-10 missiles per city. if Pakistan launches 10 missiles per city, they'd have depleted their arsenal in 1 strike, and only hit 10-15 out of 100s of Indian cities (places with >2 million population). So they'll keep their strike down to 2-3 warheads per city, which our BMD can comfortably handle. We, on the other hand, will unload over the entire Sindh skidmark.

Your so called India BMD is similar to US Patriot 3, Russia S-300, China HQ-9, all of them only have LIMITED anti-missile capability. None of P5 is expecting this kind of system to protect them from nuclear missile.

Even if you have the technology of US GMD, let's make one thing clear: this kind of missile is far more expensive than its target missile. So, unless you are going to bankrupt yourself, you can hardly afford to have enough system to protect every big cities.

Last I checked, we were talking about Pakistan, and we don't need anything with >2,000 km range to hit anything in Pakistan.

They don't care if you can hit them.

 

[A chauhan]

Based on the number of missiles in their hands, the Americans don't need to worry about Chinese BMD at all.

True.

Only USA. Russia and China don't have the navy power to support their submarines. Yes, they are building up their submarine fleet. But before their naval can control certain part of sea, they have to rely on their ground based missile.
Chinese JL-2's range is only 8000km, which means they have travel nearly 1000km alone under USN's threat before reaching their launch site.

You forgot to comment on Indian SSBNs.

If American is 10, then
Russia--7;
France--5;
British--4;
China--3;
India--0.5.

Where is Pakistan about which we are talking here ? Let me tell you Pakistan--0.01 or not even that !

Your so called India BMD is similar to US Patriot 3, Russia S-300, China HQ-9, all of them only have LIMITED anti-missile capability. None of P5 is expecting this kind of system to protect them from nuclear missile.

They all started with the same BMD you are joking on. But thanks for accepting at least our so called Indian BMD has LIMITED anti-missile capability.

The real problem is that you are unable to accept that Indians can develop any BMD.

Even if you have the technology of US GMD, let's make one thing clear: this kind of missile is far more expensive than its target missile. So, unless you are going to bankrupt yourself, you can hardly afford to have enough system to protect every big cities.

So you are asking India to stop BMD/GMD development ? Even BMD is expensive has anyone stopped developing it?

They don't care if you can hit them.

Wow ! what an argument !