Astra BVRAAM

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Seriously ?

Astra mk1 has its own role defined by its capabilities eg range , flight envelope , NEZ , propulsion system etc

Astra MK2 has its own role defined by its capabilities eg range , flight envelope , NEZ , propulsion system etc

So will be Astra mk3

IAF will operate all 3 concurrently , because their capabilities are different and offer their own advantages and disadvantages. Each missile is suited for specific operational requirements as determined by IAF , including non operational factors like costs etc.
Rule is simple. If your adversary is flying jets with 160km range AAM then obviously you would also like to have a 160km or longer range AAM. Higher the range, higher the NEZ
The situation and scenarios you are talking come at last when you exhaust first line arsenals and search for reserves.
Still your perspectives also correct but giving the habit of armed forces chances of Mk1 will be slimmer day by day.
Mk2 will be more advanced while mk3 belongs to a diffent league altogether
 

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Rule is simple. If your adversary is flying jets with 160km range AAM then obviously you would also like to have a 160km or longer range AAM. Higher the range, higher the NEZ
The situation and scenarios you are talking come at last when you exhaust first line arsenals and search for reserves.
Still your perspectives also correct but giving the habit of armed forces chances of Mk1 will be slimmer day by day.
Who said higher the range higher the NEZ ?

There is no connection of higher range with higher NEZ as you said.

Just for the sake of generalization majority of WVRAAMs have much better NEZ than majority of BVRAAMs.

What IAF will do ultimately is upto them , cannot predict it . But as a rule different variants are operated concurrently. Same reasoning why manpads , SRSAM ,( shorter range sams ) , MRSAM ( medium range sams ) and LRSAM ( long range sams ) exists concurrently . Perse it is not range only which is a factor.
 
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So Astra mk1 will soon meet a dead end.
Who said so? MK1 being completed is the testament to the fact that it will serve until a long time. It is our indigenous solution to mid range missile. Infact 280 ASTRA mk 1 has already being ordered by the IAF, to be delivered by early 2021. It being home grow means we can modify it for all our platform from Tejas to Rafale same cant be done for R77 on French platform.
Instead of ordering more missiles IAF/IN will now press for quick development of Mk2.
Well that's the most logical thing to do there is a lack of Long rang BVRAAM in the arsenal. After MK 1 the development of MK 2 is the most important point, same for MK 3.

If anything we are reaching the end of our BVRAAM import. I don't think we will be looking to import anymore of these missiles after Meteor.
 

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Who said higher the range higher the NEZ ?

There is no connection of higher range with higher NEZ as you said.

Just for the sake of generalization majority of WVRAAMs have much better NEZ than majority of BVRAAMs.

What IAF will do ultimately is upto them , cannot predict it . But as a rule different variants are operated concurrently. Same reasoning why manpads , SRSAM ,( shorter range sams ) , MRSAM ( medium range sams ) and LRSAM ( long range sams ) exists concurrently . Perse it is not range only which is a factor.
You are right WVRAAM has greater NEZ than Most of BVRAAM.
But what i was saying that IAF has already ordered around 2000 AAM missiles out of which more than 1500 are BVR missiles.
I meant to say there is enough reserve of BVR missile so IAF will not going to order Astra missile anytime soon ( except 248 ) and by that time either mk2 would be arrived or Mk1 would become something like mk1a.
Astra is ready from 2018 but post Balakot IAF ordered Russian R-73, R-77, R-27 R-37 missiles ( Same missiles which IAF used to criticize day and night ) instead of large bulk of Astra. Hence opportunity is missed
 

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So Astra mk1 will soon meet a dead end. Instead of ordering more missiles IAF/IN will now press for quick development of Mk2.

IAF have already brought 1500-2000 AAM recently so until unless there is war IAF will not need to order a AAM for years to come.
The Pakistan Air force is not composed of only F16's and JF17 aircraft. They have large numbers of F7, Mirage111, transport aircraft, EW aircraft, refuelling aircraft etc all of which may be susceptible to the Astra mk1. These old generation fighters cannot fire the latest Chinese Bvr missiles of range >100 km. Nor can the Aim120c5 be fired by planes other than the F16.

Our Astramk1 with range exceeding 80 km is more than enough for the vintage fighters of the PAF. So it's utility is not in doubt. The Astramk2 will bring additional capabilities to cater for very long range Bvr missile threat. Both the Astramk1 and the Astramk1 have their own role to play. One will not cannibalise the other.
 

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Ya 4 sukhois are being transferred by iaf for astra mk2 modification..........bdw its tail nos are also known.....
Bdw from day one atleast 2 su30 are capable of firing a new weapon type
For example from day one 2 su30 s are modified for astra ...2 for ngarm 2 for rudram 2....2 for sfdr ..2 for brahmos
Bdw first time 4 su30s are being modified for astra mk2
 
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Bdw astra mk1 UT will be in user trail for 6 months....bdw I don't what UT means here....
Might be astra with infrared seeker... might be an ejector lunched
Nothing is known

Bdw might not be the original astra ...as it has cleared the user trial already
 

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Bdw a missile is going to be tested from December 21 to 25 with
Max range of 110 km ...
Many are speculating ..it's astra ....let's see
My speculation is that ....it might be an astra variant ..or astra from a new platform
Let's see
 

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There was a news about astra integration on 12 or more su30 yesterday
Bdw in current stage ....it's impossible to be integrate all su30 s with astra.....
As the production has just started
And it will be done in batches
Again atleast our su30s in front line should have an astra atleast...as it is superior to chineese pl10 ,sd 10 and amraam c ....
 

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Bdw in current stage ....it's impossible to be integrate all su30 s with astra.....
As the production has just started
And it will be done in batches
Again atleast our su30s in front line should have an astra atleast...as it is superior to chineese pl10 ,sd 10 and amraam c ....
We have more MKIs than BDL has orders for Astra BVRAAM lmao.
 

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The indigenous seeker will be proven by June 2021. Subsequently, Astra Mk-1 & Mk-2 missile will be using the indigenous seeker in production,” the source said.

At present, all subsystems, except the RF seeker and the inertial measurement unit (IMU), are indigenous. The seekers are being indigenised by Bharat Electronics Limited, Bengaluru, and will be inducted by June 2021, sources said, adding that efforts are on for the development of the indigenous IMUs too.
 

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Who said higher the range higher the NEZ ?

There is no connection of higher range with higher NEZ as you said.

Just for the sake of generalization majority of WVRAAMs have much better NEZ than majority of BVRAAMs.
??? there is a link.
 

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Only on paper. R-77 has an official max. range of 100km, but in practice has less NEZ than Derby or Mica... As was proved recently.
The range of a missile is never given with the proper precisions : fired from a plane cruising at what speed? et what altitude? the range was mesured when the missile hit the ground having loss all its energy?...
 

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The range of a missile is never given with the proper precisions : fired from a plane cruising at what speed? et what altitude? the range was mesured when the missile hit the ground having loss all its energy?...
You got my point...
 

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