Aryan Invasion Hypothesis

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

Farming is Indian, not Iranian

Farming is Indian, not Iranian

Interview/ Niraj Rai, DNA researcher

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[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

Tin-bronzes in Bronze Age Europe were made exclusively of Aravalli copper. Based on the fact that only Indus ppl knew use of tin by then, Pernicka hints these immigrants came from there.

Above excerpt from Pernicka, E (2002). Early Bronze Age Metallurgy in the North-East Aegean. In Troia and the Troad: Scientific Approaches (Wagner, Pernicka, Uerpmann eds, Springer-Verlag). he use of Aravalli copper - from deep within India - is significant & clinching. Indus people themselves used copper from multiple other sources like Balochistan, Oman. Why couldn't 3rd millennium BCE Mesopotamia, Anatolia, Greece, Balkans use local copper to make tin-bronzes?

Lead isotope analysis clearly shows the source of copper in 3rd millennium BCE tin-bronzes to be the Aravallis (Precambrian deposits). Additionally, other trademark Indus commodities like lapis lazuli and carnelian also made their way to Europe via Anatolia.

Besides, Steppe cultures didn't learn the use of tin till end-3rd millennium BCE. So how could they have been the source of these populations? It is to cloak such absurd arguments and failed attempts to silence the reasonable alternative models that "Hindu fascist" tag is used .

mtDNA from the Early Bronze Age to the Roman Period Suggests a Genetic Link between the Indian Subcontinent and Mesopotamian Cradle of Civilization

Ancient DNA methodology was applied to analyse sequences extracted from freshly unearthed remains (teeth) of 4 individuals deeply deposited in slightly alkaline soil of the Tell Ashara (ancient Terqa) and Tell Masaikh (ancient Kar-Assurnasirpal) Syrian archaeological sites, both in the middle...

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Clear evidence of OIT. MtDNA ancestry from Early Bronze age Syria & Mesopotamia establishes the genetic affinity to the Indians since the distribution of identified ancient haplotypes indicates solid link with populations from the region of South Asia.

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

Mesopotamian skeletal remain dated 4,500 years-old has its genetic ancestry traced to the Indian subcontinent.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/file?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0073682&type=printable

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

Oldest securely dated evidence for a river(most likely Saraswati) flowing through the Thar Desert, Western India

Oldest securely dated evidence for a river flowing through the Thar Desert, Western India

Using luminescence dating of ancient river sediments, a new study published in Quaternary Science Reviews presents evidence for river activity at Nal Quarry in the central Thar Desert starting from approx. 173 thousand years ago. These findings represent the oldest directly dated phase of river...

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[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

Earliest direct evidence of dairy product processing in South Asia from mature Harappan settlement. Study suggest that dairy was an integral part of the everyday diet of its residents; this dairy was explicitly acquired from cattle and possibly buffalo.

Compound specific isotope analysis of lipid residues provides the earliest direct evidence of dairy product processing in South Asia - Scientific Reports

The early evidence of domesticated animals and human–animal interaction in South Asia can be traced back to the seventh millennium BCE; however, our understanding of their use is incomplete and limited to the analysis of animal bones from archaeological sites. By the third millennium BCE with...

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Entire Indus settlements are attested in mesopotamia, and they were suppliers of bronze and other items:

https://www.academia.edu/1228519/Guabba_the_Meluhhan_village_in_Mesopotamia

 

[Suryavanshi]

Earliest direct evidence of dairy product processing in South Asia from mature Harappan settlement. Study suggest that dairy was an integral part of the everyday diet of its residents; this dairy was explicitly acquired from cattle and possibly buffalo.

Compound specific isotope analysis of lipid residues provides the earliest direct evidence of dairy product processing in South Asia - Scientific Reports

The early evidence of domesticated animals and human–animal interaction in South Asia can be traced back to the seventh millennium BCE; however, our understanding of their use is incomplete and limited to the analysis of animal bones from archaeological sites. By the third millennium BCE with...

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Entire Indus settlements are attested in mesopotamia, and they were suppliers of bronze and other items:

https://www.academia.edu/1228519/Guabba_the_Meluhhan_village_in_Mesopotamia

Interesting stuff mate, picture becomes more and more clear as we do more research on the subject.

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

Interesting stuff mate, picture becomes more and more clear as we do more research on the subject.

As mentioned earlier , invasion larp is now reduced to "steppyniggr tourism theory"

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

This paper demonstrates that the R1a haplogroup which originated in India first diversified in present-day Iran. Furthermore, the paper estimates that the Indian-origin R1a haplogroup diversified in the vicinity of Iran & Eastern roachland∼5800 years ago. This indicates that Indians carrying R1a lineages migrated westward from India during the Copper, Bronze, and Iron ages ...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4266736/

This paper demonstrates that the Sarasvati civilization is at least 10,000 years old.

Oxygen isotope in archaeological bioapatites from India: Implications to climate change and decline of Bronze Age Harappan civilization - Scientific Reports

The antiquity and decline of the Bronze Age Harappan civilization in the Indus-Ghaggar-Hakra river valleys is an enigma in archaeology. Weakening of the monsoon after ~5 ka BP (and droughts throughout the Asia) is a strong contender for the Harappan collapse, although controversy exists about...

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[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

This paper demonstrates ABSENCE of any significant outside genetic influence in India for past 10,000–15,000 Yrs.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1380230/

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

Zooropean Languages (and DNA) Were Carried from EAST

Europe's Languages Were Carried From the East, DNA Shows

Geneticists have uncovered evidence of a westward migration in Europe about 4,500 years ago—and that may explain a long-standing mystery about language.

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[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

Most often, the proponents of ait or basically steppyniggr tour theory , cite either out-dated studies or half truths to push their outdated ideas. The most blatant case of misinformation and half truths is from the genetics, which unlike linguistics is a hard science and have little room for guesswork.

This major study on genetics which studies the distribution pattern of R1a1 haplotype in detail among the eurofags, Central Asians and Indians. Since R1a1 is common between the above three groups of population, it is used by most studies to study migration patterns in Eurasia. The study looks for prevalence of R1a1 and the frequency of variation in the R1a1 haplotype. The principle behind this study is that, newer groups of people would have far lower variations among them while older population groups would have higher frequency of variations. In other words, older populations would be lot less homogeneous than the newer populations. This is how modern humans’ ancestry is traced back to Africans, because Africans have the highest amount of genetic variations among the different groups of people today.

In the present study we have extended the field of detection of haplotype XI/haplogroup R1a subject to other countries previously uncovered in our preceding articles [9,10]: these countries are mainly Northern Europe, Georgia and Armenia, Near/Middle East, NorthAfrica, Iran and Afghanistan, porkystan and India. We found high haplotype XI frequencies values in Afghanistan (18.4%), in Iran (26.5%), in porkystan (28% and 30.4%) and in India; in this last subcontinent, the maximal value of 61.3% was found in Punjab. We have refound in our samples the clear distinction initially established by Pamjav et al. [21] between Indian Z93 populations and European Z280 populations: all our South Asian populations are Z93, while almost all our European populations are Z280. Datations show that the Z93 Indian group is the most ancient (about 15.5K years); in Europe, the Eastern populations are the most ancient (about 12.5K years) and the Northern ones the most recent (about 6.9K years).


So, the data from the study gives evidence that the R1a1 found in Punjab is the oldest while the central European haplotype is in the middle and Northern European R1a haplotype is the youngest. This pretty much buries the ait to the ground because if it was true, we would have seen from the genetic results that the Eastern eurofag haplotype being the oldest and Indian haplotype being the youngest since AIT claims that eurofags (the parent population) came as invaders/migrants to North India . It is also important to note the age of different population groups in the study. The study states that Central/Eastern European population is 12.5k years old while Northern Population is 6.9K years old. And the Punjabi/North Indian population is at least 15.5k years old.


The age component in these studies is the most important because as per ait, IVC was Dravidian and it ended because of so called invasion by the steppyniggrs around 1500 BC i.e. 4000 years ago. In the light of above mentioned and similar other genetic studies, ait retardation is off the mark by at least 10000 years. The significance of this fact is that it demolishes the argument of ait peddlers who push the narrative that Hinduism is not native to India and came with the aryans . Since North Indian population is at least 15,000 years old, this claim falls flat on its face and make Hinduism indigenous to India and India alone.


See - http://www.omicsonline.org/open-acc...plogroup-r1a-in-eurasia-2161-1041-1000150.pdf

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

No evidence of shared ancestry between west eurasian and ancestral North Indians within the last 12500 years

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3769933/

I would like to present a very influential paper from the american journal of human genetics , This is from priya moorjani and Kumaraswami Thangraj from CCMB hyderabad. They took one of the largest samples of Indians from across different regions , different background . They used gnome wide data not x or y chromos . They postulated ANI and ASI to show how is present population related to them . They showed ANI and ASI diverged from a common ancestor 60k years ago co relating very well with what Stephen Oppenheimer has been saying that ancient men came to India at a certain point in time. ANI and ASI lived side by side , as shows the study , without mixing with each other for a long period of time . The have been endogamous .Until about 2000 bce , 4000 years ago thar was some event that caused a very great amount of mixing . It took place for a period of 2000 years where they were marrying between each other and then from this . The conclusion , to address the question of when in genetic record do we have any trace of central asian genes because thar is a migration larp that so called aryans came to India 1500 bce so they must have left some genetic imprint in the current populations .

So they said to find the evidence of any central asian genes, they looked 2000 years back , 3000 years back , 4000 years back , 6000 years back , NO TRACE AT ALL , infact they had to go all the way to 12500 years before they found any evidence of central asian genes in the Ancestral North Indian population .

This is now a very powerful conclusion that clearly obliterates the larp of so called aryans leaving some genetic imprint behind .

 

[NAMICA]

No evidence of shared ancestry between west eurasian and ancestral North Indians within the last 12500 years

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3769933/

I would like to present a very influential paper from the american journal of human genetics , This is from priya moorjani and Kumaraswami Thangraj from CCMB hyderabad. They took one of the largest samples of Indians from across different regions , different background . They used gnome wide data not x or y chromos . They postulated ANI and ASI to show how is present population related to them . They showed ANI and ASI diverged from a common ancestor 60k years ago co relating very well with what Stephen Oppenheimer has been saying that ancient men came to India at a certain point in time. ANI and ASI lived side by side , as shows the study , without mixing with each other for a long period of time . The have been endogamous .Until about 2000 bce , 4000 years ago thar was some event that caused a very great amount of mixing . It took place for a period of 2000 years where they were marrying between each other and then from this . The conclusion , to address the question of when in genetic record do we have any trace of central asian genes because thar is a migration larp that so called aryans came to India 1500 bce so they must have left some genetic imprint in the current populations .

So they said to find the evidence of any central asian genes, they looked 2000 years back , 3000 years back , 4000 years back , 6000 years back , NO TRACE AT ALL , infact they had to go all the way to 12500 years before they found any evidence of central asian genes in the Ancestral North Indian population .

This is now a very powerful conclusion that clearly obliterates the larp of so called aryans leaving some genetic imprint behind .

Well done bro it's proves that our origin is Indigenous and we were one of the centre of world not this fake aryan theory peddled by white supremacists.

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

Genetic differentiation began 6000 years ago

Population Differentiation of Southern Indian Male Lineages Correlates with Agricultural Expansions Predating the Caste System

Previous studies that pooled Indian populations from a wide variety of geographical locations, have obtained contradictory conclusions about the processes of the establishment of the Varna caste system and its genetic impact on the origins and demographic histories of Indian populations. To...

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This paper is from Prof. Ramasamy Pichappan of the National Genographic Consortium . He studied individuals from Tamil Nadu in various castes and tribal societies and he showed that endogamy in the south , if you can think of endogamy as a proxy for the caste system , this study concludes that endogamy is 6000 years old in southern India atleast . What does this mean ? We have been told by the fucktarded narratives of migration larpers , that so called aryans entrenched themselves in India in 500 bce , that is when the dravidians appeared in thar shitty record , then they imposed thar Vedic caste system LMFAO on the native dravidians . So any endogamy as a result of the caste system must be present in the genetic record from the 200 bce or 300 bce and so on , HOWEVER in southern India atleast it is 6000 YEARS OLD and it LITERALLY PREDATES aryan invasion larp by MOAR THAN 2000 years !!!

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

Well done bro it's proves that our origin is Indigenous and we were one of the centre of world not this fake aryan theory peddled by white supremacists.

Much obliged commander...

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

On skin tone in Indians

The Light Skin Allele of SLC24A5 in South Asians and Europeans Shares Identity by Descent

Author Summary Human skin color is one of the most visible aspects of human diversity. The genetic basis of pigmentation in Europeans has been understood to some extent, but our knowledge about South Asians has been restricted to a handful of studies. It has been suggested that a single...

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The light skin allele of slc24a5 , this mutation appeared in the genetic record approximately 30000 years ago and this mutation is common with eurofags and South Asians . It controls the expression of melanin and what kind of skin tone we will get as a result of absorbing sunlight and so on . This 30000 years old framework also puts it perhaps in the vicinity of India where this mutation might have taken place during the early migration periods and it is mostly in the Ancestral North Indian population but also in the South Indian population and also present in eurofags.

 

[Suryavanshi]

@asaffronladoftherisingsun really good stuff mate, I've never seen such informative articles on this topic, u really are a gem.

 

[NAMICA]

I always wanted some one to present this whole mess in a simple language today my wish is fulfilled.

 

[Roshan]

One of the other colonial era history-writing projects is that the "Dravidians" came from pic related region,
They were called the Elamites back then, the Elamites lived in an around the region of Pars in modern day Iran.

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Later this theory was very conveniently discarded, and "Dravidians" were re-cast as the "natives" of India, of course for the domestic benefits that parties like DMK reap even today.
Who knows in the future the "Dravidians" may be "discovered" to be related to sub-saharan Africans also by eminent gora anthropologists/geneticists/propagandists/whatever.

The Dravidian Lemuria Fantasy as History and the Invention of Kumarikandam as Geography

An important prerequisite to understand the Dravidian discourse since its earliest days is to understand the history and mythology of the ancient Tamil country.

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The Dravidian Lemuria Fantasy as History and the Invention of Kumarikandam as Geography
How the Dravidianists invented a non-existent Kumarikandam and politicised both history and geography for political purposes

An important prerequisite to understand the Dravidian discourse since its earliest days is to understand the history and mythology of the ancient Tamil country.
According to this imaginary history and mythology, in ancient times (no Dravidian ideologue, intellectual or historian has provided even an approximate timeframe. It ranges anywhere between 15000 years to 6000 years in the past), the eastern, western and southern parts of today’s Kanyakumari were supposedly attached to an extensive and vast tract of land known as Lemuria or Kumari Nadu or Kumarikandam. Now, this vast swathe of land was subsequently submerged in the sea. Thus, according to this mythology, the Tamils who survived this catastrophe migrated northwards. However, they didn't stop at that. After a brief period, these migratory Tamils migrated further northwards and occupied all of India and also made the region of today’s Pakistan and Afghanistan as their home. The language they spoke in those days has today transformed into what is known as Brahui.

These Dravidian champions also claim that because the Aryans invaded India from outside, the ancient Tamils were exterminated from these northern parts of India. Further, because the invasion was unsuccessful in south of the Vindhyas, the Tamils lived in peace and prosperity in these regions.
Unswerving Faith in Mythology as History
Quite naturally, the Dravidianists repose enormous and unshakeable faith in this mythology because they...err...invented it. Some ultra proud Dravidianists even today continue to propagate the Kumarikandam or the Lemuria fantasy. The interested reader is urged to search YouTube for the keyword, “Kumari Kandam.” The results are interesting to say the least.
Because the first person to propound this theory was a fiery Dravidianist himself, it acquired additional resplendence.
Nakkeerar who wrote a commentary on the Ahapporul or Kalaviyal, a compendium containing sixty aphorisms, has described in detail the upheavals faced by the ancient Tamil country. The Ahapporul is said to be authored by Lord Shiva (Iraiyanaar) himself. However, A.V. Subrahmanya Iyer in The Story of Tamil Research [1959] argues that the commentary was not written by Nakkeerar but by an unknown author.

In any case, there is no unanimity regarding this commentator’s dating. Traditional Tamil scholars assign his date to the 8th Century CE while the scholars of the 1940s-70s armed with graduate and postgraduate degrees place him in the 13th Century CE. But because this sort of internal quarrel harms the larger (politico-ideological) cause of the Dravidianists, a sort of compromise was reached between these two warring groups: they placed the date of this commentary somewhere in the 10th and 11th Century CE.
But are there any historical proofs that show that the aforementioned extensive swathe of land was actually submerged in the sea? The average Dravidian ideologue or academician typically does not anticipate such a question. And in case he has the patience and wherewithal to actually answer it, the stock reply will be along these lines: “Why do you even doubt that this event happened? Our Kalittogai and Silappadikkaram clearly mention that the land of the Pandyas was submerged in the sea. You see, the Bible itself contains instances of the Great Flood! So the Bible is one of the biggest pieces of evidence to prove this!”
However, not all Dravidian academics or champions have this kind of patience. Among the other stock answers, this is quite common: “Why do you ask these mischievous questions? Focus on your area of expertise. You are not a pure Tamil. Don’t meddle in topics unrelated to you!”
However, real historical research and evidence reveals the fact that there’s no clear answer as to when or whether the landmass named Lemuria existed and when it was submerged. It definitely existed in the fertile imagination of these Dravidianists and it was submerged at an unknown time. According to other Dravidianist scholars (for example, K.K. Pillai, A Social History of the Tamils, University of Madras, 1969), it existed 15000 years ago. However, there is no answer to the question of how this dating was arrived at.
Dravidianist Method of Argumentation
Let's briefly examine the Dravidianist method of argumentation. For example, let's ask this question:
“Let’s agree that Lemuria existed, and it existed 15000 years ago. But how can you be sure that all those who lived there were Tamils and only Tamils?”
“Your question is stupid!” is the stock answer from the typical traditional Dravidian scholar.
https://www.dharmadispatch.in/culture/the-cult-of-dravidianism-is-dead-a-christian-preface-that-awaits-an-epitaph
Dr. BGL Swamy in his brilliant, Tamilu Talegala Naduve cites a conversation he had with a college-educated Dravidian champion who supplied an even more nuanced answer: “Sir, it’s ironic that those who have studied science still ask such a question! For example, botanists and anthropologists teach lessons on prehistoric people and mention Pithecanthropus and Australopithecus. Likewise, why can’t there exist a classification named Lemuriopithecus denoting the inhabitants of Lemuria?”
Then, their spirit of adventure will paralyse the best of us, says Dr. Swamy: “How can one claim that Lemuria never existed? Because no literature, inscription or remnant that proves its existence has not been found today doesn’t mean it never existed! It definitely existed but perhaps it didn’t attract anybody’s notice. Therefore, no mention of it is available today. Isn’t this the right conclusion to make?”
This sort of argumentation might be valid when one argues for the sake of argument. But there’s something known as wisdom and discrimination.
Presenting a Lemurian Monkey
One of the scholars who was appointed to write a chapter in the government-sponsored initiative to bring out a ten-volume “official” history of Tamil Nadu (Tamizh Nadu Varalaru) posed the Lemuria question in a different way to Dr. Swamy:
“Sir, is there a relationship between Lemuria and the Lemuroidea thing that is taught in textbooks?”
“I have a few books which contain the answers to your question. I’ll lend them to you.”
Dr. Swamy recounts how this Dravidian academic was stumped by this question and refused to take the aforementioned books offered to him. Dr. Swamy says, "he hadn’t learnt English in the manner it should be learnt. Neither had he studied Biology and Anthropology. He said, “It’s ok sir, you can tell me the answer yourself.”"

Dr. Swamy: “In which case, I’ll have to tell you the answers from the same books. And when I do that, you won’t believe me.”
“It’s ok sir. I’m willing to listen.”

Dr. Swamy replied: ‘“These books don’t have the answer to your question whether a landmass named Lemuria existed or no. But it is true that there is an animal species classified as Lemuroidea. They belong to a category of monkeys primarily found in Africa…”
The academic walked out even before Dr. Swamy could complete his sentence. But he didn’t stop at that. He raised a huge ruckus proclaiming that “this Doctor Chaami [Dr. Swamy] is evil. He claims that Tamils descended from apes.” This clamour reached the "ears of the Dravidian scholars in my college as well,’ says Dr. Swamy.
There's more: ‘In such circumstances the Dravidianists act as if a spear has pierced them. They whip up a frenzy, organise protest meets and condemnation seminars. About eight to ten Dravidian scholars organised a meeting and condemned “Doctor Chaami” with the choicest of obscenities in chaste Tamil. Then they sent a copy of their “decision note” that described how they were hurt by “Doctor Chaami’s” words.’”
What surprised Dr Swamy was not the note itself but the bundle of sheets attached to it. Every sheet was filled with nothing but signatures, and the total exceeded one thousand. Dr Swamy was left wondering how they managed to get hold of so many people to sign it.

 

[NAMICA]

1. What is the exact place and time of our origin?
2. How some of us are dark and fair skinned?
3. Are iranians descendants of Indians?
4. How far our haplogroup reached is it even present in West Asia?