Aryan Invasion Hypothesis

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Done and sticked thread.
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Details are a Little sketchy. But ashokas entire reign seems to be an activity in trying to underscore that hinduism is bad and buddhism is good. This shtick was used even by ambedkar to get his followers to embrace buddhism. Never mind that buddhism largely died in india after that and the magadh kings were all hindus again. Personally if you ask me there are quite a few missing pieces of this puzzle and unfortunately our seats of learning were destroyed along with much of the knowledge they contained. We are basically tracing our steps backwards. In light of that i wouldn't be surprised if quite a few more buried truths come out about our history. Tamil being older than sanskrit - used by the secessionist periyarites - is another one of them which be a casualty.
Hello Roshan - Please see this. Ashoka was already Buddhist before Kalinga war.

 

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Hello Roshan - Please see this. Ashoka was already Buddhist before Kalinga war.

yea i referred to this in another post. this happened the past week i know. guess we weren't worth the truth so far huh?:frown:
 

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The Aurobindo, an "Aryan" was not a member of a particular race, but a person who "accepted a particular type of self-culture, of inward and outward practice, of ideality, of aspiration." Aurobindo wanted to revive India's strength by reviving Aryan traditions of strength and character. He denied the historicity of a racial division in India between "Aryan invaders" and a native dark-skinned population.
 

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Adorned with three qualities (त्रिधा), which are created by इन्द्र (pure mental conciousness), सूर्य (internal knowledge and ray of positivity), वेन (truth and bliss) respectively which is very soft and tender (घृत) which is hidden inside the darkness (पणी) एता अर्षन्ति हृद्यात्समुद्राच्छतव्रजा रिपुणा नावचक्षे। घृतस्य धारा अभि चाकशीमि हिरण्ययो वेतसो मध्य आसाम्।। (Rigveda 4:58:5) Different tribuatries of this golden and fertile rivers rises from this ocean but is obstructed by enemy पणी and hence is invisible. Here it means different rivers of conciousness. Vedas talk about 7 rivers which are 7 rivers of conciousness. These rivers rise from the त्रिविध ocean of knowledge after invoking Devtas. This indicates activation of 7 chakras. Some Fools consider these rivers as river of North India and 'पण', is also a Dravadian caste. So they made a bogus translation that Since Aryans invaded india, Dravidians for their protection, covered these 7 rivers of North india so that these Aryans do not fulfill their basic need of water and eventually loose the battle. And hence Aryan Invsnsion Theory is proven. Note: Some fools who are very NEOPATH in world of vedas who dont evn study basics of vedas believe that verses of vedas are tells about environment of INDUS VALLEY CIVILIZATION. So they proudly says that they OUT RIGHTLY reject the verses of vedas as well.

Uttama Sholka.
 

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A invasion, or migration of people from the steppes certainly happened. They did bring a four runner of Indo-European language and religion into India. However, Indian civilization as a whole is a mix between the native and outside forces coming together. No different to ancient Greece, Persia, and Rome. All are a mix of Indo-European and Native sources.

The IVC DNA samples in Rakhigarhi is completely absent of any steppe genes that's even found in South Indian tribals today, only ones missing this today are the Andamanese islanders, a whole ocean had to prevent that. The IVC migrant's DNA in Iran and C. Asia are also missing steppe genes common in South Asia today. So there was a movement of people from the steppes to India afterwards. This isnt even a matter of debate anymore with actual Indian, global academia. They have accepted this and are moving on.
 
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A invasion, or migration of people from the steppes certainly happened. They did bring a four runner of Indo-European language and religion into India. However, Indian civilization as a whole is a mix between the native and outside forces coming together. No different to ancient Greece, Persia, and Rome. All are a mix of Indo-European and Native sources.

The IVC DNA samples in Rakhigarhi is completely absent of any steppe genes that's even found in South Indian tribals today, only ones missing this today are the Andamanese islanders, a whole ocean had to prevent that. The IVC migrant's DNA in Iran and C. Asia are also missing steppe genes common in South Asia today. So there was a movement of people from the steppes to India afterwards. This isnt even a matter of debate anymore with actual Indian, global academia. They have accepted this and are moving on.
Nigga the question is when? And there are zero proof of any invansion. No invansion just a Hogwash by the goraes.
 

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Nigga the question is when? And there are zero proof of any invansion. No invansion just a Hogwash by the goraes.
It happened roughly 1800-1500 BC.

Invasion, peaceful migration doesnt matter. Did a Indo-European descend into India and affect modern Indian populations today? Yes, this isnt a matter of debate, modern academia has accepted this and moved on. A linguistic and now a genetic link is there from Europe to India.

Any man regardless of caste, tribe in modern Rakhigarhi, North India will have this steppe gene. The IVC Rakhigarhi sample is completely absent of any steppe gene. The IVC migrants in Iran and Central Asia who have the tribal hunter-gatherer genes of India are also missing the steppe genes, so a migration happened afterwards and it affects every single population group in South Asia today, except the Andamanese islanders, only because there's a whole ocean in the way.
 

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There is substantial evidence of both genetic and archeology that disproves the so called Aryan invasion theory. To be specific there were 3 pools of human migration into Bharatavarsh. 1 who came from central africa to south India, 1 who had their origins in indus valley and finally later a mixed exchange of population between steppies and Indus valley. Indus valley pop was lost completely. The cell paper, points to genomic DNA based evidence. The paper has a conclusion written like a religious scripture just to keep it open for interpretation and not enter into the debate of Aryan invasion. Earlier study published in science tried to push the theory of steppe migration in correlation with info European languages to prove Aryan invasion theory. However since the language of IVC has not been deciphered it is unfair to say that it had no roots. to Sanskrit or earlier versions of Sanskrit. This article explains it a bit better. It nevertheless is interesting.

 

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It happened roughly 1800-1500 BC.

Invasion, peaceful migration doesnt matter. Did a Indo-European descend into India and affect modern Indian populations today? Yes, this isnt a matter of debate, modern academia has accepted this and moved on. A linguistic and now a genetic link is there from Europe to India.

Any man regardless of caste, tribe in modern Rakhigarhi, North India will have this steppe gene. The IVC Rakhigarhi sample is completely absent of any steppe gene. The IVC migrants in Iran and Central Asia who have the tribal hunter-gatherer genes of India are also missing the steppe genes, so a migration happened afterwards and it affects every single population group in South Asia today, except the Andamanese islanders, only because there's a whole ocean in the way.
Yep Andamnense might be direct descendents of those first African migrants into India.
 

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It happened roughly 1800-1500 BC.

Invasion, peaceful migration doesnt matter. Did a Indo-European descend into India and affect modern Indian populations today? Yes, this isnt a matter of debate, modern academia has accepted this and moved on. A linguistic and now a genetic link is there from Europe to India.

Any man regardless of caste, tribe in modern Rakhigarhi, North India will have this steppe gene. The IVC Rakhigarhi sample is completely absent of any steppe gene. The IVC migrants in Iran and Central Asia who have the tribal hunter-gatherer genes of India are also missing the steppe genes, so a migration happened afterwards and it affects every single population group in South Asia today, except the Andamanese islanders, only because there's a whole ocean in the way.
Nigga update your number. :dude:
 

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There is substantial evidence of both genetic and archeology that disproves the so called Aryan invasion theory.
No there isnt. Recent genetic proofs are supporting a intrusion from the steppes. These people invaded Europe as well. Like I said, the IVC migrants in Iran, Central Asia, and North West India are COMPLETELY lacking a fundamental piece of the pie which makes a modern South Asia who they are. Which means the population group, who has relations with groups in European steppes as well intruded after the decline of IVC.

Whether people say Goras, Commies, Marxist whatever are making this up, this is something Indian academia have accepted and are moving on from.

Yes, a population group with relations to the steppes intruded into India. And yes they shared genetic and linguistic traits with people outside India.

IVC were a mix of Iranian farmers and South Asian tribal. Anyone who would spread Indo-European languages outside India would have the tribal genes, no different to the Roma, and IVC population in Iran and Central Asia.
 

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No there isnt. Recent genetic proofs are supporting a intrusion from the steppes. These people invaded Europe as well. Like I said, the IVC migrants in Iran, Central Asia, and North West India are COMPLETELY lacking a fundamental piece of the pie which makes a modern South Asia who they are. Which means the population group, who has relations with groups in European steppes as well intruded after the decline of IVC.

Whether people say Goras, Commies, Marxist whatever are making this up, this is something Indian academia have accepted and are moving on.

Yes, a population group with relations to the steppes intruded into India. And yes they shared genetic and linguistic traits with people outside India.

IVC were a mix of Iranian farmers and South Asian tribal. Anyone who would spread Indo-European languages outside India would have the tribal genes, no different to the Roma, and IVC population in Iran and Central Asia.
It depends on the time when they came in.
Some claim that everything which religiously see in india is imported well that's BS. You can go through several documents to search that actually the myth of everything indian is imported should be busted right after discovery of IVC but this logic stuck on anyways recent discoveries shows that IVC was a indigenous one.
Whole world is mix of different genes and even to this date Indian's carry significant part of indigenous genes.
 
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Ya'll Nibbiars I am posting this again.

Even A team of the Archeological Survey of India led by B.R. Mani and Vinay Kumar Gupta collected charcoal samples from Gosna, a site 6 km east of Mathura across the Yamuna river, where two of the radiocarbon dates from the Pottery Grey Ware deposit came out to be 2160 BCE and 2170 BCE . The Pottery Grey Ware culture is generally associated with the Aryans , then the recent findings shows it could be even older than 2,500 bc if this is clear proof then the Aryans habitated the regions far older than the previous findings .
 

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It depends on the time when they intruded.
Some claim that everything which religiously see in india is imported well that's BS. You can go through several documents to search that actually the myth of everything indian is imported should be busted right after discovery of IVC but this logic stuck on anyways recent discoveries shows that IVC was a indigenous one.

It's not that simple. All the successful Indo-European civilzations Greco-Roman, Persia, India have extensively mixed with local cultures. Gerco-Roman mixed and exchanged with local Mediterranean, Persians/Medians mixed extensively with Mesopotamian, and Indo-Europeans that went to India mixed extensively with local cultures there.
 

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Yall Nibiars I will say this again invansion and Migrations is not the same. Dont try to mix them up.
 

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It's not that simple. All the successful Indo-European civilzations Greco-Roman, Persia, India have extensively mixed with local cultures. Gerco-Roman mixed and exchanged with local Mediterranean, Persians/Medians mixed extensively with Mesopotamian, and Indo-Europeans that went to India mixed extensively with local cultures there.
Yes migration and mixing happened later on off course human philosophies in those time's can be considerably different than today's but fact remains fact. And till now people have yet to bring archeological proof of a proper invasion.

The body which belonged to Indus valley civilization lacked the steppe genes.

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