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Ya'll Nibbiars some new DNA findings.
Balinese Y-Chromosome Perspective on the Peopling of Indonesia: Gen.
Thanks Haldilal ji for posting these papers. I was reading thse. And i want to add few comments on this.


This papers rekts the european origin of the R1a trunk. They further worked on this lineage and found that the R1a1 has several branches which can be grouped into two. One set of branches are found in India and Central Asia, where as the other set of branches are found in europe.
Of the european samples of R1a, 96% belonged to Z282, and 98.4% of Indian and Central Asian lineages belonged to the lineage Z93. Study concludesthat one branch M558 originated in Volga-Ural area and migrated with the group further west into East europe. The branch M458 broke off after that. Only after these, the branches M282 and M284 originated.
The Indian branch Z93 is quite common today in South Siberia, Altai region of Russia, Kyrgyzstan and Iran. The further branches of Z93 lineage are 1. Z2124 found in pashtun afghanistan, caucasus and iran; 2. M750 in India, porkyland, afghanistan and Himalayas; 3. M560 in burushaski, hazara, and iranian azeri
They proposed the place of origin of R1a somewhere “near iran” . But instead of saying “near iran”, saying Indian sub-continent would have been more accurate. As the conclusion does not take into account of the R1a lineages present in the Indian tribes and dravidian speakers. They were not included by in this study. This study also did not include the study of R1a present in several eastern regions of India like Bihar, UP, as well as R1a present in Myanmar, Thailand, and Indonesia etc

The Y-DNAs R1 (M173) and R* (M207) are found in large numbers in Bali (Indonesia) today, and they have migrated there from India . In fact at least 12% of Balinese male lineages were found to be of Indian origins in this study. These R1 DNAs are ancestral to R1a1. See -
https://digitalcommons.wayne.edu/humbiol/vol77/iss1/8/

They found that R1a lineage has reached Madagascar also when people of Indonesia migrated to this island. Such findings only prove that R1a1 originated in India and not in iran.
See - https://bmcgenomics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12864-015-1394-7

Recent finding of ancient DNA from the Indo-european maikop culture dating 3700 BC in North Caucasus further adds weight to Indian origin of Indo-european. This paper shows that several of the ancient mtDNAs recovered from maikop belonged to the Indian M52 type. Thus proving that the maikop people had arrived from India, and they had included female migrants too.
See - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0305440316301091


This research paperis about tarim Basin mummies recovered from Xinjiang in Central Asia had all males in the R1a1 (M198A) lineage , which is Indian. The date was late Bronze Age to Iron Age. Since the lineage was not present in Europe in such large frequency at that time and before this time, its arrival could have been only from India or Iran. The high frequency may be because of the founder effect. Other evidence also shows migration during that period from India or iran. They further concluded that the tarim Basin mummies carried Indian maternal DNAs in good frequency.


☝This paper shows samples of India branch that is R1a-Z93 have been found from the Bronze Age sintashta Ukraine about 2500 BC .The presence of Indian DNA here clearly indicates that Indo-europeans didnt came to India from sintashta, but went from India to sintashta.

☝ This research paper shows that R1a1a has been found from 5100 BC Spain at Els Trocs site. This is a descendant of R1a1a. This could have migrated there with the goat-pastoralist migration which took place from India to Southwest europe about that time. One R1a1 has been found from Oleni Ostrov Northwest Russia dated 6,400 BC . Other than these findings, there has been no R1a1 lineage in europe.

I think this has been posted by someone here earlier but posting again for this context.👇
Recent DNA evidence shows that europe experienced a massive population influx from the east, beginning around 4,500 years from the present . Several haplogroups were involved in this demic expansion, including the Indian-origin R1a1a. This was almost a total replacement event, which indicates that Indo-Aryans, among others, expanded westward into europe and to a large extent replaced indigenous european males and their Y-chromosome strata.This indicates military expansion. Conquest.This genetic evidence indicates that several Y-chromosomal (patrilineal) lineages, one of which was the Indian-origin R1a1a, gave rise to the modern European population. Out of these lineages, R1a1a is the most widespread and numerous. See also - https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2015/3/150303-human-dna-europe-language-archaeology/
 

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Thanks Haldilal ji for posting these papers. I was reading thse. And i want to add few comments on this.

This papers rekts the european origin of the R1a trunk. They further worked on this lineage and found that the R1a1 has several branches which can be grouped into two. One set of branches are found in India and Central Asia, where as the other set of branches are found in europe.
Of the european samples of R1a, 96% belonged to Z282, and 98.4% of Indian and Central Asian lineages belonged to the lineage Z93. Study concludesthat one branch M558 originated in Volga-Ural area and migrated with the group further west into East europe. The branch M458 broke off after that. Only after these, the branches M282 and M284 originated.
The Indian branch Z93 is quite common today in South Siberia, Altai region of Russia, Kyrgyzstan and Iran. The further branches of Z93 lineage are 1. Z2124 found in pashtun afghanistan, caucasus and iran; 2. M750 in India, porkyland, afghanistan and Himalayas; 3. M560 in burushaski, hazara, and iranian azeri
They proposed the place of origin of R1a somewhere “near iran” . But instead of saying “near iran”, saying Indian sub-continent would have been more accurate. As the conclusion does not take into account of the R1a lineages present in the Indian tribes and dravidian speakers. They were not included by in this study. This study also did not include the study of R1a present in several eastern regions of India like Bihar, UP, as well as R1a present in Myanmar, Thailand, and Indonesia etc

The Y-DNAs R1 (M173) and R* (M207) are found in large numbers in Bali (Indonesia) today, and they have migrated there from India . In fact at least 12% of Balinese male lineages were found to be of Indian origins in this study. These R1 DNAs are ancestral to R1a1. See - https://digitalcommons.wayne.edu/humbiol/vol77/iss1/8/

They found that R1a lineage has reached Madagascar also when people of Indonesia migrated to this island. Such findings only prove that R1a1 originated in India and not in iran.
See - https://bmcgenomics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12864-015-1394-7

Recent finding of ancient DNA from the Indo-european maikop culture dating 3700 BC in North Caucasus further adds weight to Indian origin of Indo-european. This paper shows that several of the ancient mtDNAs recovered from maikop belonged to the Indian M52 type. Thus proving that the maikop people had arrived from India, and they had included female migrants too.
See - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0305440316301091


This research paperis about tarim Basin mummies recovered from Xinjiang in Central Asia had all males in the R1a1 (M198A) lineage , which is Indian. The date was late Bronze Age to Iron Age. Since the lineage was not present in Europe in such large frequency at that time and before this time, its arrival could have been only from India or Iran. The high frequency may be because of the founder effect. Other evidence also shows migration during that period from India or iran. They further concluded that the tarim Basin mummies carried Indian maternal DNAs in good frequency.


☝This paper shows samples of India branch that is R1a-Z93 have been found from the Bronze Age sintashta Ukraine about 2500 BC .The presence of Indian DNA here clearly indicates that Indo-europeans didnt came to India from sintashta, but went from India to sintashta.

☝ This research paper shows that R1a1a has been found from 5100 BC Spain at Els Trocs site. This is a descendant of R1a1a. This could have migrated there with the goat-pastoralist migration which took place from India to Southwest europe about that time. One R1a1 has been found from Oleni Ostrov Northwest Russia dated 6,400 BC . Other than these findings, there has been no R1a1 lineage in europe.

I think this has been posted by someone here earlier but posting again for this context.👇
Recent DNA evidence shows that europe experienced a massive population influx from the east, beginning around 4,500 years from the present . Several haplogroups were involved in this demic expansion, including the Indian-origin R1a1a. This was almost a total replacement event, which indicates that Indo-Aryans, among others, expanded westward into europe and to a large extent replaced indigenous european males and their Y-chromosome strata.This indicates military expansion. Conquest.This genetic evidence indicates that several Y-chromosomal (patrilineal) lineages, one of which was the Indian-origin R1a1a, gave rise to the modern European population. Out of these lineages, R1a1a is the most widespread and numerous. See also - https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2015/3/150303-human-dna-europe-language-archaeology/
Ya'll Nibbiars yeah now with more a more evidence the location has shifted in asia from a said location in the steppes. To the south of cacaus to now in proper iran but this is shifting towards the central of Asia. I wouldn't be surprised if this come near the Iran - Afgan Border.
 

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good afternoon bandhu log , for dravida nadu shills
Hastala vistala murki di sadi toddi periyar di ...
Ya'll Nibbiars Bibhu Dev Misra argues that most of the Indians were speaking dravidian languages right to the 6th century BCE, while Sanskrit speakers who were almost always bilingual continued to conduct rituals in Sanskrit.

And theres sils the Kumari Naidu continent.

See - https://www.bibhudevmisra.com/2015/10/the-indus-valley-civilization-was-it.html
 

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>Lemurian : "HINTHI HINTHU ARYANA NAARTHIE, GO BACK TO IRAN DA, U ARE NOT NATIVE TO INTHIA MAADI!"
>Also Lemurian : "AIYYO, WE WUZ FROM OWAR WOAN CONTINENT DA! CALLED KUMARI KANDAM!"


AIT has been beneficial to so many different folks for so many ideologies..
 

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Moar nightmare fuel for migration larpists :

This research paper , in it is blatant admission of the bias these migration larpists have before whining and labeling us as "Hindu fascists" LOL

The high haplotype diversity values in the settled Central Asian populations may reflect a bias in the selection of markers that were informative in these populations. Although this bias cannot be ruled out, most of the markers examined here are located relatively deep within the NRY evolutionary tree (8), and thus there is no a priori reason to expect a bias toward Central Asia. In addition, Y chromosome microsatellites indicate that Central Asian (Pakistani) populations are the most diverse in Eurasia (19). The consistency of the biallelic and microsatellite results suggests that Central Asian populations are among the oldest on the continent. This pattern of high diversity is consistent with an early settlement of Central Asia by anatomically modern humans, perhaps 40,000–50,000 years ago (see below), followed by subsequent migrations into europe, amreeka, and India, dispersing M45-, M173-, and M17-derived lineages.

See - https://www.pnas.org/content/98/18/10244


Folks , genetic research conducted over the last 30 years has shown that the first successful migration out of Africa took place between 120,000 and 80,000 years ago, via the southern route out of Africa and reached areas of modern Malesia about 74,000 years ago and to Australia about 70,000 years ago. europe and West Asia experienced first migration around 50,000 years ago. Central Asia and West Eurasia experienced their first migrations around the same time i.e. 40,000 -50,000 years ago. The role of Greater India (modern iran, afghanistan, porkyland, bangladesh, Myanmar, Sri Lanka) is central, as the source of all non-African dispersals.

It is very critical to define the boundaries of India, as far as ancient migrations are concerned. What we will call ‘Greater India’ for the sake of convenience is defined as a geographical landscape that begins in the west with modern Iran and stretches in the east to modern day bangladesh/Myanmar and in the south to Sri Lanka.

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Based on matrilineal DNA (mtDNA) data, there was little external infusion into the Indian gene pool over the last 12,500 years or so. Add that this conclusion is reached by genetic researchers with the help of mtDNA data coupled with climatology data. In fact, when it comes to dating of plausible spread and migration of people, genetic researchers do take their clues from climatology and archaeology in estimating the timeline of such migrations.

This research paper summarizes Predominant role of Greater India in non-African dispersal of human beings, based on mtDNA :

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See - https://www.researchgate.net/public...ment_of_Eurasia_by_anatomically_modern_humans

Notice the back and forth interaction and migration within Greater India above, In fact, the actual boundaries of Greater India can be justifiably defined further outward .. This completely rekts obliterates the retardation and delusion of ait cucks that contaminated y dna data show any evidence of external infusion of genes into the Indian male lineage during the period kek. Those are clearly cooked up shit prejudiced and contaminated .(Based on blunders and lies this coming from toilet class authors as this https://www.researchgate.net/public...inent_points_to_heavily_sex-biased_dispersals)
which continue to post deceptions like 17.5% of how Indian male lineage has been found to belong to haplogroup R1a that pontic-caspian steppyniggrs region is the from where R1a spread both west and east . Btw steppy was deserted shithole kek.

Btw , the very same paper which consumes the first 12 of its total 18 pages in confirming Greater India as the source of mtDNA for all non-African dispersals, get into y-chromosome data, all it does is repeat the well-established expansion of R1a both west and east across eurasia and equally well established ancient nature of this R1a within Greater India and Central Asia.

The paper states that available high grade y chromosome data shows presence of R1a throughout eurasia and in Greater India. It also states presence of young subclades in Greater India and expansion of subclades of R1a-Z93 or R1a-Z94 in these regions .

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This is all true however, this does not lead to the desired conclusion of either the authors of the paper or krantikari patrakars .



This is what authors admit :

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Thankfully, the authors are aware of the conjectural nature of thar claim and immediately add reference [12] is the inspiration for conjecture and when one digs deeper, one realizes that the reference [12] in their paper is to a book by A Parpola, a linguist and known supporter of the arya dravidian divide. And with this we are back to the familiar mythical claims of steppy ******s invading into, this time around 1400 BCE (~3.4 ka) and then writing Rigveda! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Let us remind our readers that hydrology and genealogical evidence of Rigveda combined with astronomical evidence of Ramayana and Mahabharata proves, beyond a reasonable doubt, the chronology of older sections of Rigveda to late pleistocene before 10,000 BCE and youngest sections of Rigveda (e.g. Mandala 10) to mid-Holocene 5000 BCE, long time before ~3.4 ka.

See also - https://www.pdfdrive.com/the-histor...ion-at-the-end-of-pleistocene-d196789545.html

See - https://www.pdfdrive.com/when-did-t...ppen-the-mystery-of-arundhati-e196791512.html

The author has used nasa data and computer simulation on an astronomy-software to arrive at the year of the Mahabharata War as 5561 BC. Accordingly, it appears that astronomers of that period were very much aware of halley's comet. Also, the star Alcor relocated itself from its position on the east of the star mizar to the west of it. There is an anomaly between the author's inference and the period of Saraswati civilization and he frankly admits inability to explain it.He has highlighted the 'missing link' between astronomical events recorded in the Mahabharata and archaeological evidence discovered on Saraswati sites. Oak's findings provide a fresh angle to historians in India and south east Asia as well as to academicians on Saraswati and mesopotamian civilizations.

See also -

It is good to remember that Genes do not distinguish racial, and now obsolete, concept of race, nor can it tell us about the languages spoken by specific molecular branches or the poetic abilities of certain mutated genes in composing the oldest text of humanity – The Rigveda! For detecting a migration from one region to another, we need to find the source branch type in both regions and a new unique twig in the target region that is not present in the homeland. If one understands this, then R1a branches and its twigs point to expansion from Greater India into Eurasia -both east and west.

This paper concludes the divergence time of R1a-M420 Y-chromosome haplogroup to ~25000 years ago and the location of its diversification into Europe, Central Asia and Greater India, near present-day Iran (northwest tip of Greater India).

See - https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg201450

And while on the subject, it is worth mentioning that for a homeland with multiple migrations in different directions, we need to identify common branches in the homeland that have different unique twigs in the other region. Again, Greater India passes this test with flying colors as the source of all non-African dispersals.
Sad to know how ait cucks suffer from perpetual lack of comprehension that all they are left with is incohrent whines of "Hindu fascism" kek.

Ait cucks also whine that one need to discover the date when Z 93 splintered into its own various subgroups or lineages to know about how so called steppy niggrs gene spread .

Well this research paper also concludes the estimated splintering of this M417 (proxy for splintering of Z280 and Z 93) to have occurred about 6000 years ago (4000 BCE).Way before the larp date .
(See - https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg201450)


The authors also admit further that
We caution against ascribing findings from a contemporary phylogenetic cluster of a single genetic locus to a particular pre-historic demographic event, population migration, or cultural transformation.” OR “However, our data does not enable us to directly ascribe the patterns of R1a geographic spread to specific prehistoric cultures or more recent demographic events”. It is hard to comprehend excitement of ait cucks since such expansions as well as corresponding mutations are extremely common during the peopling of the world.

Also worth noting is that all ait cucks ,love the natural closeness of ANI with Middle eastern, Central Asian and eurofags and . However, they are ialso aware of the problem. The problem that numerous study along have proved the ancient (15000-17000 years ago) of the admixing between ANI and ASI along caste and tribal barriers negating the very basis of migration larps occurring only 1500 or so years ago.

See also my post : https://defenceforumindia.com/threads/aryan-invasion-theory.1403/post-1800823
^ This research paper also concludes :
“A difficulty with this theory , however, is that by this time India was a densely populated region with widespread agriculture, so the number of migrants of West Eurasian ancestry must have been extraordinarily large to explain the fact that today about half the ancestry in India derives from the ANI.”

But thar are bigger issues too , as the authors note :

“It is also important to recognize that a date of mixture is very different from the date of migration; mixture always postdates migration. Nevertheless, a genetic date for the mixture would place a minimum on the date of migration and identity periods of important demographic change in India”


Furthermore , R1a lineage indeed shows much diversity in Greater India than elsewhere and that is how its origin was estimated to be in the modern-day Iran. Ancient Indian cultural landscape was spread from modern Iran through modern Bangladesh and this fact can-not and should not be ignored. The fact subclades of R1a-Z93 in India are found to be young is in no way contradicts ancient and indigenous nature of R1a male haplogroup.
 
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Ya'll Nibbiars this is something interesting that I found.

This research was undertaken to study the changes in sediment provenance over time along a 300 km stretch of the Ghaggar river basin. It concluded that 9,000 to 4,500 years ago the river was perennial and was receiving sediments from the Higher and Lesser Himalayas.It is worth noting that the Rig Veda mentions Saraswati as ‘one of the seven sisters’, ‘unbroken’, ‘pure in her course from mountain to sea’, ‘breaks through the ridges of the mountains with her strong waves’. Several teerthas at its banks are also mentioned.The Nadu Sukta hymn of the Rig Veda which mentions 19 rivers starting from the Ganges, moving westward to Indus and three of its tributaries flowing from Sulaiman ranges in Afghanistan, places Saraswati between Yamuna and Sutlej. The archaeological evidence in favour of the Saraswati river provides a serious challenge to the settled chronology based in the assumption of Migration Theorists

Given that the Rig Veda mentions Saraswati in full might, meeting the sea from the mountains; based on geological evidence, its composition would coincide (in the latest) with the Mature phase of the Saraswati civilization.Hence, Rig Veda must have been composed between 9000 bce to 4500 BCE.

 

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This research was undertaken to study the changes in sediment provenance over time along a 300 km stretch of the Ghaggar river basin. It concluded that 9,000 to 4,500 years ago the river was perennial and was receiving sediments from the Higher and Lesser Himalayas.It is worth noting that the Rig Veda mentions Saraswati as ‘one of the seven sisters’, ‘unbroken’, ‘pure in her course from mountain to sea’, ‘breaks through the ridges of the mountains with her strong waves’. Several teerthas at its banks are also mentioned.The Nadu Sukta hymn of the Rig Veda which mentions 19 rivers starting from the Ganges, moving westward to Indus and three of its tributaries flowing from Sulaiman ranges in Afghanistan, places Saraswati between Yamuna and Sutlej. The archaeological evidence in favour of the Saraswati river provides a serious challenge to the settled chronology based in the assumption of Migration Theorists
Also to add ,

Harappan settlement of Dholavira (India) collapse during the onset of Meghalayan stage drought


Radiocarbon dating of archaeological carbonates from seven cultural stages of Dholavira, Great Rann of Kachchh (GRK), the largest excavated Harappan settlement in India, suggests the beginning of occupation at ~5500 years BP (pre‐Harappan), and continuation until ~3800 years BP (early part of the Late Harappan period). The settlement rapidly expanded under favourable monsoonal climate conditions when architectural elements such as the Citadel, Bailey, Lower and Middle Town were added between the Early and mid‐Mature Harappan periods. Abundant local mangroves grew around the GRK sustaining prolific populations of the edible gastropod Terebralia palustris. Oxygen isotope (δ18O) sclerochronology of Early Harappan gastropod shell suggests seasonal mixing of some depleted (δ18O ~ −12‰) river water in summer/monsoon months (through ancient Saraswati and/or indus distributary channels) with seawater that periodically inundated the GRK. Evaporation from this semi‐enclosed water body during the non‐monsoon months enriched the δ18O of water/shell carbonates. The humid fluvial landscape possibly changed due to a catastrophic drought driving the final collapse of the settlement of Dholavira exactly at the onset of the Meghalayan (Late Holocene) stage (~4300–4100 years BP). Indeed, Dholavira presents a classic case for understanding how climate change can increase future drought risk.
 

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Out of India Theory is the most logical & complete theory that ties all the unconnected dots of human civilization and development - whether you look at it from genetic, lingual, socio-development or religious (scriptures-based) angle. Anybody that has had anything beyond a cursory look at the evidence has known this for the last 20 years.

But it hasnt gone mainstream because its time hasnt come yet. I alluded to this phenomenon in my previous posts and gave examples of how the same games were played by the "Western scientific community" to to initially deny then grudgingly accept each and every civilization milestone that supports indic point of view of human development. The currently taught widespread view of human civilization and Indian civilization is utter garbage and will be thrown in dustbin in 1-2 decades when Dharmic forces become materially stronger so that our reach increases and truth cant be suppressed anymore.

Heres an explanation of how/why every power center in the world today has vested interested in preserving the fake history currently taught:

Power Center # 1: Abramytes (jews, xtans and muslims) :

Xtans & Muslims: Cant have anything good happening in human development more than 4000 years old bc our "god" and holybook doesnt go beyond that. World is 4000 years old according to us. Lol. So Older flourishing & prosperous continuous civilizations (that havent converted to our cults) invalidate our god. So Indian civil being a shining beacon of the world more than 4000 years ago is a big No No.

Jews: Ours history goes beyond that but we own and appropriate all the older civilizations such as egyptian, mesopotemian etc. So middle east is our holy land so all major human civil achievements such as beginning of farming, animal domestication, invention of wheel have been stolen from Indian civil and appropriated to middle easterns. Lol. A jew will accept that Indian civil is old but will never accept it is the oldest. They will always propagate that Judaism/ middle eastern civil is the oldest.

For them the AIT and other BS migration theories also serve another purpose. Even if they are forced to accept the glory of ancient indian civil, For the Racist inclined, the AIT gives consolation that it was superior, civilized westerners that brought all the good things to India. Also it gives fuel to dravidian parties and acts as an additional leverage held by foreigners to break up india in north vs south fashion. Pakis, Afghans and some retarded Indians use it for light skin vs dark skin arguments. Also fuels brahman vs others caste divides. So all these parties are a stakeholder in preaching baseless western imported theories of our origins.

Power Center # 2 The "liberal" Non-religious Leftists/Marxists/Atheists

This includes the the so-called nominally open-minded anti-religious people of the west who are in fact more dogmatic and close minded than the religious folks they supposedly hate. And also includes Chinese Communist Party and their vassals in the world. Their interest in propagating the same BS version of human history as group # 1 is as follows:

Western Leftists falsely believe time moves in a linear fashion and human civilizational development must always be in a straight line from old stupid, uncivilized conservative societies to advanced, civilized, modern and liberal societies. This way they can feel superior about themselves for being modern liberals and look down upon others. They get triggered and their world view falls apart when anything contrary comes up so they actively suppress and discredit it.

As opposed to Dharma which says universe is billions of years old and human civilizations rise and fall in cyclic fashion. Hindu Dharma says time is infinite and a wave-form and not linear. Which leaves the possibility open for great ancient human civils to have formed and fallen many times before in human history. This doesnt jive well with the liberals so they collude with group # 1 to keep the indic point of view down.

Another party to this scam is the Chinese CCP. For them its existential. They have based their legitimacy on discarding the old, traditional chinese spirituality & culture as unworthy and replaced it with mao and commy worship. They have done the sin of erasing all traces of ancient china, destroyed thousands of temples and killed millions of innocent people and have to justify it with something. So they feed their population the same view point as western liberals so that killing of old, unwashed, uncivilized chinese can be justified. If there is an asian awakening of ancestral roots, it will be the end of CCP. And India is the most likely candidate to carry this glorious torch forwards so chinese spend a lot of money to falsify indian and world history to suit their purposes.

As you can see all these different groups interests intermingle when it comes to shitting on Indian history and suppressing the real human civilizational development which had its focal point in India and was much older than currently accepted.

We are literally the biological and civilizational fathers of the world. I applaud the efforts of the people who are swimming against the current and enlightening the world thru their works. Its an uphill battle for now but our Dharmic viewpoint will be accepted in due time.
 

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Awakenings rekt delusions :

This paper concludes the admixture in India between 4200-1900 years ago was a local affair i.e. no aryan larp.

"It is also important to emphasize what our study has not shown. Although we have documented evidence for mixture in India between about 1,900 and 4,200 years BP, this does not imply migration from West eurasia into India during this time. On the contrary, a recent study that searched for West eurasian groups most closely related to the ANI ancestors of Indians failed to find any evidence for shared ancestry between the ANI and groups in West eurasia within the past 12,500 years3 (although it is possible that with further sampling and new methods such relatedness might be detected)."

See - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3769933/

This paper , states and concludes that there is no shared ancestry between ANI & West eurasian groups for the last 12500 years! This paper was also cited above .

See - https://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(11)00488-5


Folks , a lot of aitfags often quote from the prejudiced work of krantikari dalal authors for exampl (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27111036/) quote ,
The most striking were expansions within R1a-Z93, occurring ~4.0–4.5 kya. This time predates by a few centuries the collapse of the indus valley civilization, associated by some with the historical migration of Indo-european speakers from the western stepy into the Indian subcontinent (27). There is a notable parallel with events in europe, and future aDNA evidence may prove to be as informative as it has been in europe.


However frens the authors state that the population expansion in North/NW India 4000-4500 years ago might be associated by some to migration larp. However, there is a nightmare fuel again . The population expansion was within the R1a-Z93 haplogroup. Well, R1a-Z93 is an Indian haplogroup - i.e. it originated in India (15500 years ago)! So, any population expansion of this haplotype only proves that Indians intermingled with other Indians and produced lots of babies! It doesnt prove shit to support any retarded delusions of migration larpers kek.
Like the first paper above,that concluded this is a local admixture event and is not evidence of external gene influx! LMFAO .

See - http://www.omicsonline.org/open-acc...plogroup-r1a-in-eurasia-2161-1041-1000150.pdf

Btw a frenly remainder , archaeology has been investigated extensively! Archaeologists (like B.B. Lal) , head of Archaeology Vasant Shindey ji of cell paper rakhigari 2019 and Archaeological Survey of India have concluded and are unanimous in their conclusions: there is continuity between Saraswati & the Gangetic Civilizations of India. This continuity goes back to even neolithic/paleolithic times! 10000 years old goddamnit . And there are no archaeological discontinuities or material culture changes. Archaeological linguistic evidence is irrefutable that completely obiliterates migration larp.

Add to the fact that its clear , R1a1a* originated in India and is present in high frequencies even amongst South Indian tribals , will come to that in a bit .

This research paper concludes

The Y-chromosomal data consistently suggest a largely South Asian origin for Indian caste communities and therefore argue against any major influx, from regions north and west of India, of people associated either with the development of agriculture or the spread of the Indo-aryan language family.

See - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16415161/

This research paper concludes

Haplogroup R1a, previously associated with the delusional aitcucks, was found at its highest frequency in Punjab but also at a relatively high frequency (26%) in the Chenchu tribe. This finding, together with the higher R1a-associated short tandem repeat diversity in India and Iran compared with Europe and central Asia, suggests that southern and western Asia might be the source of this haplogroup......Taken together, these results show that Indian tribal and caste populations derive largely from the same genetic heritage of Pleistocene southern and western Asians and have received limited gene flow from external regions since the holocene.

(My comment: R1a1* of Indian origin, present even in tribes in Andhra Pradesh (Chenchu) & Madhya Pradesh (Saharia), is widespread in eurofag land).

See - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12536373/


This research paper concludes

Interestingly, among different groups, the age of Y-haplogroup R1a1* was highest in scheduled castes/tribes when compared with Central Asians and eurasians. These observations weaken the hypothesis of introduction of this haplogroup and the origin of Indian higher most castes from Central Asian and eurasian regions, supporting their origin within the Indian subcontinent.

See - https://europepmc.org/article/med/19158816
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars Folks , ait fellas reconcile with the fact that there was no other route of Out of Africa than the coastal Arabian route to India, and thereafter expansion and migrations took off from here.They continued to harbour the concept of the second route to europe and Central Asia through Egypt and Sinai to West Asia and then beyond. This created distortions in all the interpretations by such idiots followers. This research paper for example by david reich,nowhere it says that there was any flow of west Eurasian gene into South Asia. To quote his own words, “These results do not mean that the Indian groups descend from mixtures ofeuropean and austro-Asiatic speakers, but only that they derive from at least two different groups that are (distantly) related to ceu and Santhal. (p. 4 pdf, col 1)". Relatedness does not at all imply gene flow from ceu to India, however it means a common ancestor for both North Ancestral Indians and ceu. This common ancestor had existed after split from the African main trunk, and after the Ancestral South Indians too had been split. Paper depict this situation by means of a figure. The figure of migration which reich produced can be seen at the link below:
 
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Ya'll Nibbiars Figures for family tree can be constructed from the text itself actually. Cuck reich says, “the tree (YRI,((ceu,ANI),(ASI, Onge))) provides an excellent fit to the data”.
This gives us a family tree for five populations, viz. 1. YRI (West African), 2. ceu (modern eurofags), 3. ANI (Ancestral North Indians), 4. ASI (Ancestral South Indians) and 5. Onge (a Modern Andamanese tribe)—if drawn graphically WILL be like this:
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This picture now is consistent with both the important conclusions of the reichs article: “These results do not mean that the Indian groups descend from mixtures of European and Austro-Asiatic speakers, but only that they derive from at least two different groups that are (distantly) related to ceu and Santhal.”(riech , p. 4, column 1). This rules out any admixture of europeans and Austro-Asiatics.

“Applying our model-fitting procedure, we find that the tree (YRI,((ceu,ANI),(ASI, Onge))) provides an excellent fit to the data from Indian groups.”the tree (YRI,((ceu,ANI),(ASI, Onge))) provides an excellent fit to the data” (, p. 4, col 1).

That being said , Western Eurasia was formed of populations migrating from Asia and during recent Neolithic times from Africa. Hence if plotted , eurofags genes cannot form any cline towards Asia or Africa, while African and Asian genes will always show clinal pattern of expansion into europeans land.


Hence a full synthetic figure would be like this:
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Ya'll Nibbiars Figures for family tree can be constructed from the text itself actually. Cuck reich says, “the tree (YRI,((ceu,ANI),(ASI, Onge))) provides an excellent fit to the data”.
This gives us a family tree for five populations, viz. 1. YRI (West African), 2. ceu (modern eurofags), 3. ANI (Ancestral North Indians), 4. ASI (Ancestral South Indians) and 5. Onge (a Modern Andamanese tribe)—if drawn graphically WILL be like this:
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This picture now is consistent with both the important conclusions of the reichs article: “These results do not mean that the Indian groups descend from mixtures of European and Austro-Asiatic speakers, but only that they derive from at least two different groups that are (distantly) related to ceu and Santhal.”(riech , p. 4, column 1). This rules out any admixture of europeans and Austro-Asiatics.

“Applying our model-fitting procedure, we find that the tree (YRI,((ceu,ANI),(ASI, Onge))) provides an excellent fit to the data from Indian groups.”the tree (YRI,((ceu,ANI),(ASI, Onge))) provides an excellent fit to the data” (, p. 4, col 1).

That being said , Western Eurasia was formed of populations migrating from Asia and during recent Neolithic times from Africa. Hence if plotted , eurofags genes cannot form any cline towards Asia or Africa, while African and Asian genes will always show clinal pattern of expansion into europeans land.


Hence a full synthetic figure would be like this:
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That being said , Western eurasia was formed of populations migrating from Asia and during recent Neolithic times from Africa. Hence if plotted , euro genes cannot form any cline towards Asia or Africa, while African and Asian genes will always show clinal pattern of expansion into eurofagland. The overall contributions from Asia and Africa were estimated to be around two-thirds and one-third, respectively”

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See - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC33682/
 

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More interesting evidence :

There have been other studies which indirecly prove migration from India to eurofagland.
Otzi Man and H. pylori infection - Otzi Man or the european iceman was recovered from the Alps frozen. His mtDNA and Y-DNA reflected iranian ancestry, yet the Helicobactor pylori bacteria recovered from his stomach was of the Indian breed. This finding established that fact that the H. pylori infection reached europe from India.Researchers have extracted the oldest complete genome sequence of a pathogen yet, from the body of the 5,300-year-old ice mummy otzi kek.

See - https://www.nature.com/news/famous-ancient-iceman-had-familiar-stomach-infection-1.19127

Mice migration:

The domestic mouse is a domestic pest of farming culture. It has been shown by a large number of studies that the domestic mice, shrew and rat have originated in India, were domesticated in India, and they migrated with the humans with the neolithic migration. It is an further circumstantial evidence of Indian origin of farming culture.

See - https://www.academia.edu/2504657/Of...elation_of_the_liked_journeys_of_mice_and_men


On Cows :

It had been found that all the zebu cows of the world are of Indian origin .

See - https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/27/1/1/1127118

It has been shown that the Ukrainian cows, as well as East european piedmont etc and mongolian and even South Chinese cows migrated from India in a domesticated form long back. Even the central asian cattle recovered from neolithic and bronze ages belong to Indian variety Zebu.

See - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19603063/

Lots of authors also show a gross retardation of published literature pertaining to the migration issues. The fact is simple that Man did not migrate alone. It migrated with its diseases, its pets and pests.
 

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More evidence of y-dna (male lineages) too migrated from India clear case of Out of India Migration :

Folks , aitfags do lots of propaganda that r1a has been detected in sintashta but not reveal here that the ancient samples from sintashta etc belonged to which branch—Indic branch or eurofag branch. The fact is that they all belonged to the Indian branch Z93. This research has clarified this matter unequivocally:

Further evidence that migrations originating as far west as central europe may not have had an important impact on the Late Bronze Age steppe comes from the fact that the Srubnaya possess exclusively (n=6) R1a Y-chromosomes (Supplementary Data Table 1), and four of them (and one Poltavka male) belonged to haplogroup R1a-Z93 which is common in central/south Asians, very rare in present-day europeans, and absent in all ancient central europeans.”


See - https://www.nature.com/articles/nature16152

As we can see , and this research paper concludes that the eurofag branch never came to India but the Indian branch did go to eurofagland.

““Importantly, the virtual absence of M458 chromosomes outside europe speaks against substantial patrilineal gene flow from east europe to Asia, including to India, at least since the mid-Holocene.”"

See - https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg2009194

Had people come from europe to India or even from Ukraine to India, this ,malechcha branch which is called r1a-m458 must have arrived to India. On the other hand the Indian branch R1a-Z93 is present in europe up to hungary and poland. Even in sintashta,the ancient DNAs recovered are of the Indic R1a-Z93 and not the eurofag variety, which was reproduced only after the main trunk reached well inside eurofagland.

See - https://www.nature.com/articles/nature16152

 

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