Aryan Invasion Theory

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Pseudo BS at best nothing more. faking things to suit agenda. Just last 2,500 years of recorded subcontinent history is full of one sided invasion from Central Asia with massacres, depopulation in subcontinent alone lol. Why would be history any different before that. When population was much smaller and concentrated around Indus , Punjab , Haryana region. Simple genetic markers can not be changed. This is not something unique to india alone , similar thing has happened across world.
Steppe region due to its geography, abundance of horses and nomadic lifestyle of people has been the most violent , powerful region for most part of Human history. as for claiming that nomads can not have a civilization and sophistication of a urbanite is pure fantasy.
 

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Pseudo BS at best nothing more. faking things to suit agenda. Just last 2,500 years of recorded subcontinent history is full of one sided invasion from Central Asia with massacres, depopulation in subcontinent alone lol. Why would be history any different before that. When population was much smaller and concentrated around Indus , Punjab , Haryana region. Simple genetic markers can not be changed. This is not something unique to india alone , similar thing has happened across world.
Steppe region due to its geography, abundance of horses and nomadic lifestyle of people has been the most violent , powerful region for most part of Human history. as for claiming that nomads can not have a civilization and sophistication of a urbanite is pure fantasy.
What 2500 years you're talking about,you're equating a theory proposed for 5k years early india to what has on records with inscriptions and markers,india population was dispersed all over India with 16 hotspots known as majanpad and hundreds of janpads are older than any recent invasion you're talking about,moreover greeks,Huns,kushans and sakas,all were driven away out of the india(they never actually infiltrated in the mainland)and their remained settlers assimilated into the lower caste as shudras in ancient Jat belt of Pakistan,no massive colonization or a population displacement ever happened in any recent times prior to Islamic invasion,you created a new theory and equated what is being sold as Aryan migration to small assimilation and that's too in the lower varna...Only during Islamic invasion,the jats of today's Pakistan colonised today's punjab and haryana,and it was during the time of bharatpur raja surajmal,jats infiltrated UP....
 

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Pseudo BS at best nothing more. faking things to suit agenda. Just last 2,500 years of recorded subcontinent history is full of one sided invasion from Central Asia with massacres, depopulation in subcontinent alone lol. Why would be history any different before that. When population was much smaller and concentrated around Indus , Punjab , Haryana region. Simple genetic markers can not be changed. This is not something unique to india alone , similar thing has happened across world.
Steppe region due to its geography, abundance of horses and nomadic lifestyle of people has been the most violent , powerful region for most part of Human history. as for claiming that nomads can not have a civilization and sophistication of a urbanite is pure fantasy.
And you dont even knew me Swiffart Nibba. :troll:
 

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Pseudo BS at best nothing more. faking things to suit agenda. Just last 2,500 years of recorded subcontinent history is full of one sided invasion from Central Asia with massacres, depopulation in subcontinent alone lol. Why would be history any different before that. When population was much smaller and concentrated around Indus , Punjab , Haryana region. Simple genetic markers can not be changed. This is not something unique to india alone , similar thing has happened across world.
Steppe region due to its geography, abundance of horses and nomadic lifestyle of people has been the most violent , powerful region for most part of Human history. as for claiming that nomads can not have a civilization and sophistication of a urbanite is pure fantasy.
and who has recorded that history please?

can you please elaborate what's the basis of Aryan Invasion theory? and why do still Mahadev is the most powerful God in Hinduism? (if you can remember we got Pashupati Mahadev figurine in Harappa Civ).
why do we still worship trees, rocks, animals etc? those are IVC practices. why do we still use Homkund?

if you can give any satisfactory answer then I will get back.
 

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and who has recorded that history please?

can you please elaborate what's the basis of Aryan Invasion theory? and why do still Mahadev is the most powerful God in Hinduism? (if you can remember we got Pashupati Mahadev figurine in Harappa Civ).
why do we still worship trees, rocks, animals etc? those are IVC practices. why do we still use Homkund?

if you can give any satisfactory answer then I will get back.
I already said in my post which is now deleted that later development in Hinduism is a mixture of foreign and native culture , tradition and religious mixing. Worshiping nature is not unique to india or Hinduism.
 

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I already said in my post which is now deleted that later development in Hinduism is a mixture of foreign and native culture , tradition and religious mixing. Worshiping nature is not unique to india or Hinduism.
what mixture are you talking about when we are almost completely following Harappa culture?

what about Lord Shiva? will anybody ever consider that the Lord of defeated tribe is the supreme powerful one? there was/is no God called Shiva in steppe.
what about worshipping cow, pipal tree? what about Homkund?

and you haven't provided any answer on : on what basis Aryan Invasion theory was propounded?
 
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what mixture are you talking about when we are almost completely following Harappa culture?

what about Lord Shiva? will anybody ever consider that the Lord of defeated tribe is the supreme powerful one? there was/is no God called Shiva in steppe.
what about worshipping cow, pipal tree? what about Homkund?

and you haven't provided any answer on : on what basis Aryan Invasion theory was propounded?
Yes you are right rudra-shiva is not a indo European god from steppe but a later addition to assimilate native gods.
that's what i mean when i said Hinduism is a mixture of foreign and native.
 

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What 2500 years you're talking about,you're equating a theory proposed for 5k years early india to what has on records with inscriptions and markers,india population was dispersed all over India with 16 hotspots known as majanpad and hundreds of janpads are older than any recent invasion you're talking about,moreover greeks,Huns,kushans and sakas,all were driven away out of the india(they never actually infiltrated in the mainland)and their remained settlers assimilated into the lower caste as shudras in ancient Jat belt of Pakistan,no massive colonization or a population displacement ever happened in any recent times prior to Islamic invasion,you created a new theory and equated what is being sold as Aryan migration to small assimilation and that's too in the lower varna...Only during Islamic invasion,the jats of today's Pakistan colonised today's punjab and haryana,and it was during the time of bharatpur raja surajmal,jats infiltrated UP....
No its not , the 2500 years of Indian history is not one sided invasion .
Do you worship tengri ?
Means , huns couldnt influence us .
Only muslim turks , turko mongols and. British influenecd us .
Arabs , invaded for 600 years continuously , couldnt win .
Thanks to , Gujara pratihaara , rashtrakutra .
They indeed invaded us , we resisted them effectively .
Marathas, they literally destroyed mughals .
 

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No its not , the 2500 years of Indian history is not one sided invasion .
Do you worship tengri ?
Means , huns couldnt influence us .
Only muslim turks , turko mongols and. British influenecd us .
Arabs , invaded for 600 years continuously , couldnt win .
Thanks to , Gujara pratihaara , rashtrakutra .
They indeed invaded us , we resisted them effectively .
Marathas, they literally destroyed mughals .
those who protected us against initial arab invasion ,were the imperial pratiharas of kannuaj,not the Gurjara pratihara,Gurjara pratihara were feudatory to imperial pratihara,though they all originated in the awadh-purvanchal area....
 

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No its not , the 2500 years of Indian history is not one sided invasion .
Do you worship tengri ?
Means , huns couldnt influence us .
Only muslim turks , turko mongols and. British influenecd us .
Arabs , invaded for 600 years continuously , couldnt win .
Thanks to , Gujara pratihaara , rashtrakutra .
They indeed invaded us , we resisted them effectively .
Marathas, they literally destroyed mughals .
The Invasion from Muslim hordes didn't really change our religion. When faithless tribes from Central Asia attacked us before 500 AD they didn't really change our religion instead they got absorbed into Dharmic Folds and eventually assimilated over centuries. Small Remnants or their tribe and culture remained.
Example: Huns who were just locater above Hindu Kush in the Indian sphere of influence.
The greeeks were too little and didn't have much impact except for small baltic tribes.
 

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What cultures abrahmic cults showed up few hundred years ago . Humanity predates abrahmic cults . Sanskrit is integral part of Hinduism and Sanskrit is indeed native to India .
What BS you are paddling ????

Do you know this is from YAJUR-VEDA:

This is how Yajur Veda praises Lord SHIVA.



कर्पूरगौरं करुणावतारं
संसारसारम् भुजगेन्द्रहारम् ।
सदावसन्तं हृदयारविन्दे
भवं भवानीसहितं नमामि ॥

Karpuura-Gauram Karunna-Avataaram
Samsaara-Saaram Bhujage[a-I]ndra-Haaram |
Sadaa-Vasantam Hrdaya-Aravinde
Bhavam Bhavaanii-Sahitam Namaami ||

Meaning:
1: Pure White like Camphor, an Incarnation of Compassion,
2: The Essence of Worldly Existence, Whose Garland is the King of Serpents,
3: Always Dwelling inside the Lotus of the Heart.
4: I Bow to Shiva and Shakti Together.

Do you know Shiva is most worshipped in South India, and he resides in Mount Kailasa northern most part of India.

And Yajur Veda goes on to praise Him been AS WHITE AS CAMPHOR (White Blond Handsome - as Tight Assed White European).

Yet he is most worshipped in South India, and according to you Lord Shiva is NATIVE GOD OF BLACK SOUTH INDIANS. :crazy::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
 

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What BS you are paddling ????

Do you know this is from YAJUR-VEDA:

This is how Yajur Veda praises Lord SHIVA.



कर्पूरगौरं करुणावतारं
संसारसारम् भुजगेन्द्रहारम् ।
सदावसन्तं हृदयारविन्दे
भवं भवानीसहितं नमामि ॥

Karpuura-Gauram Karunna-Avataaram
Samsaara-Saaram Bhujage[a-I]ndra-Haaram |
Sadaa-Vasantam Hrdaya-Aravinde
Bhavam Bhavaanii-Sahitam Namaami ||

Meaning:
1: Pure White like Camphor, an Incarnation of Compassion,
2: The Essence of Worldly Existence, Whose Garland is the King of Serpents,
3: Always Dwelling inside the Lotus of the Heart.
4: I Bow to Shiva and Shakti Together.

Do you know Shiva is most worshipped in South India, and he resides in Mount Kailasa northern most part of India.

And Yajur Veda goes on to praise Him been AS WHITE AS CAMPHOR (White Blond Handsome - as Tight Assed White European).

Yet he is most worshipped in South India, and according to you Lord Shiva is NATIVE GOD OF BLACK SOUTH INDIANS. :crazy::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
Jyotir Lingam actually means Pillar of Light without beginning and end from which shiva appeared. Idiot Europeans translated shiva lingam to something vulgar.
 

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those who protected us against initial arab invasion ,were the imperial pratiharas of kannuaj,not the Gurjara pratihara,Gurjara pratihara were feudatory to imperial pratihara,though they all originated in the awadh-purvanchal area....
Ok , but someone protected us .
Thats the matter
 

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What BS you are paddling ????

Do you know this is from YAJUR-VEDA:

This is how Yajur Veda praises Lord SHIVA.



कर्पूरगौरं करुणावतारं
संसारसारम् भुजगेन्द्रहारम् ।
सदावसन्तं हृदयारविन्दे
भवं भवानीसहितं नमामि ॥

Karpuura-Gauram Karunna-Avataaram
Samsaara-Saaram Bhujage[a-I]ndra-Haaram |
Sadaa-Vasantam Hrdaya-Aravinde
Bhavam Bhavaanii-Sahitam Namaami ||

Meaning:
1: Pure White like Camphor, an Incarnation of Compassion,
2: The Essence of Worldly Existence, Whose Garland is the King of Serpents,
3: Always Dwelling inside the Lotus of the Heart.
4: I Bow to Shiva and Shakti Together.

Do you know Shiva is most worshipped in South India, and he resides in Mount Kailasa northern most part of India.

And Yajur Veda goes on to praise Him been AS WHITE AS CAMPHOR (White Blond Handsome - as Tight Assed White European).

Yet he is most worshipped in South India, and according to you Lord Shiva is NATIVE GOD OF BLACK SOUTH INDIANS. :crazy::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
we should be careful taking mentions of brahma, vishnu and shiva literally. they are very deep and symbolic.
 

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What BS you are paddling ????

Do you know this is from YAJUR-VEDA:

This is how Yajur Veda praises Lord SHIVA.



कर्पूरगौरं करुणावतारं
संसारसारम् भुजगेन्द्रहारम् ।
सदावसन्तं हृदयारविन्दे
भवं भवानीसहितं नमामि ॥

Karpuura-Gauram Karunna-Avataaram
Samsaara-Saaram Bhujage[a-I]ndra-Haaram |
Sadaa-Vasantam Hrdaya-Aravinde
Bhavam Bhavaanii-Sahitam Namaami ||

Meaning:
1: Pure White like Camphor, an Incarnation of Compassion,
2: The Essence of Worldly Existence, Whose Garland is the King of Serpents,
3: Always Dwelling inside the Lotus of the Heart.
4: I Bow to Shiva and Shakti Together.

Do you know Shiva is most worshipped in South India, and he resides in Mount Kailasa northern most part of India.

And Yajur Veda goes on to praise Him been AS WHITE AS CAMPHOR (White Blond Handsome - as Tight Assed White European).

Yet he is most worshipped in South India, and according to you Lord Shiva is NATIVE GOD OF BLACK SOUTH INDIANS. :crazy::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
South indians are no black,the vedic Kshatriya rulling dynasties of the south are no dark.....
 

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The supposed western superiority you talk about is a very recent and a transient phenomenon . For example you can try to compare latin american conquests proably of aztec mayans empires with advanced civilizations of Asia like china and or saraswati - being oldest and grandest .Aztec and Inca empires nobodys ever even heard of neither were the vast to the extent saraswati and or mesopotamoia or chinese are .This is evident infact from the fact that the only period of time where the supposedly superior west even had an edge over proper civilisations of Asia, i.e. during the 18-20th (this is also when they coined migration larp)century is also the time they looted and raided the Asian civilisations to enrich their pathetic decadent societies.This is not anything new to known Human history of 8000 years. Indians and Chinese were
living in large cities in saraswati valley and yangtze river by 3000BCE, whenyour so called superiors were still running half naked in alps even in 7th century. Asia was the centre of arts, culture, science, philosophy, religion for most of Human history.India was the centre of the world for religion, arts, culture, science and philosophy, having also taught the other South East Asian countries like, Japanese and Chinese.


Infact .

There was heavy trade between India & Rome via Red Sea by 1st cent AD, after the fall of Rome, India still continued trading with other countries.
By the time of Augustus up to 120 ships set sail every year from Rome to India.
-G. Dumézil, French Philologist

Do you know why Columbus called America as India? Columbus was sent to the west and Vasco De Gama to the East because a major land trade route was cut off
by Ottoman Empire and the Europeans set out to find a ay through sea to the Indian ports,



Indian ports were so well established in 2334 BCE that there was major trade between India and Sargon of Akkad


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This happened when your west hadn't even started on the way to be civilized. There existed many civilizations before them.This is a reconstruction of a 4000 years old international sea port of India known as Lothal, which was found in 20th century excavations.
It is located somewhat to the South where Indo-europeans hadn't even reached by that time(if we assume that the Larp is true)

"The world's earliest known dockyard. The canal was artificially constructed to handle berth and service ships from Egypt and Mesopotamia.
The dockyard has an area of 37×22 meters. It is the greatest work of maritime architecture before the birth of christ."
But the products of anglican church as I told you believed that yahweh created world in 4004 bce and destroyed the world in
noahs flood in 3000 bce and nothing could have survived the flood event LOL.


That being said , the western spike in living standards during the 18th century was a result of conquest by military and not because of ideas or superiority of culture



What evidence do you got to show that nomadic people from steppe produced rigveda and sustained it for thousand of years .
Danino presents the recent archaeological evidence to show that horses were present in India much before the supposed Aryan invasion. Some recent studies actually go so far as to claim that horses are actually native to India. See the related news

See https://hub.jhu.edu/2014/11/20/india-fossils-perissodactyla/

There is no archaeological or textual/inscriptional record of the proto-Indo-European or the Rigvedic language or cultureanywhere outside India: neither in South Russia, nor in Central Asia, nor in any of the areas on the routes leading from South Russia to Central Asia or Central Asia to the SaptaSindhava area. Pie itself is a fraud languages that was never spoken by anybody . They use same sanskrit data words 90 percent of sanskrit and other languages to construct unnatural words.

Incredibly, a mention of horses and chariots in the Rig Veda is equated with graves 4000 km away. This is simply an assumption with zero proof. It is one of the weakest links in the linguists' theories, the proverbial “elephant in the room” that basically weakens the current migration larp .

A complete war chariot from 2000 BCE has been found in Sanauli near Delhi. The world’s earliest painted images of chariots have been found in central Indian cave art dated back to the late microlithic and early Chalcolithic period (2500–1500 BCE). The 1500 BCE Daimabad bronze chariot was found in Maharashtra 2000 km south of the Khyber pass from a time when India was supposed to have no chariots or wheels.
What was the language spoken btw ? You tell . For example yamnaya etc which they keep quoting , just wanted to know thar is no proof of language , no book no text in that area . If thar is no evidence for the same then how do you know that Sanskrit came here with vedas .


proto indo european languge is joke . Its like saying you have a salad out of cucumber tomatoes and carrot and then saying this is original .From this salad we get cucumber tomatoes and carrot . They also use Sanskrit extensively to cook up shit for thar fraud language LOL and then claim pie is mothar is source . This is a circular argument . eurofags were divided into many nations made up of languages as spain spanish , germany german ,france french and so on . They believed one language meant one nation .In fact they knew all these languages were similar untill somebody came India and found Sanskrit . They realized Sanskrit sucha a great langugae spoken by black brown people ?So they started hypothesis that Sanskrit must have come from steppe . Now the problem was for example sundari means beautiful and arya means noble nobility . You do not have a race of aryans . Its adjective . You cannot say from the genes that a person speaks this language because of this gene lmao . Imagine using haplogroups and making them to stand as proxies for languge and culture .
The problem is,we are dealing hypothesis with the facts,they are so confident on their hypothesis that they don't want to look on the facts...
 

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What BS you are paddling ????

Do you know this is from YAJUR-VEDA:

This is how Yajur Veda praises Lord SHIVA.



कर्पूरगौरं करुणावतारं
संसारसारम् भुजगेन्द्रहारम् ।
सदावसन्तं हृदयारविन्दे
भवं भवानीसहितं नमामि ॥

Karpuura-Gauram Karunna-Avataaram
Samsaara-Saaram Bhujage[a-I]ndra-Haaram |
Sadaa-Vasantam Hrdaya-Aravinde
Bhavam Bhavaanii-Sahitam Namaami ||

Meaning:
1: Pure White like Camphor, an Incarnation of Compassion,
2: The Essence of Worldly Existence, Whose Garland is the King of Serpents,
3: Always Dwelling inside the Lotus of the Heart.
4: I Bow to Shiva and Shakti Together.

Do you know Shiva is most worshipped in South India, and he resides in Mount Kailasa northern most part of India.

And Yajur Veda goes on to praise Him been AS WHITE AS CAMPHOR (White Blond Handsome - as Tight Assed White European).

Yet he is most worshipped in South India, and according to you Lord Shiva is NATIVE GOD OF BLACK SOUTH INDIANS. :crazy::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
In Ved-Purans apparently Indra has golden hair...

but he has golden hands, feet, body, face also.

Hindus write all flowery stuff to increase prestige and glory of their gods, every other religion does, don't do some reverse psychology the-gods-are-white-european-tribals analysis on it.

Rudra/Shiva also has red hair according to said ved purans, again goras and gora worshippers spin this to mean he is Irish like redhead gora :rofl:

It is a given that Hindu gods being gods will not have 1:1 mapping of human traits, physical features etc., agenda powered spinalysis of Ved-Purans to suit a narrative is stupid.
 

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