Aryan Invasion Hypothesis

[Indo-Aryan]

Another interesting theory floating around is that PIE was gibberish or in other words a sprachbund.


Some interesting findings of our times:

Anatolian IE speakers had 0 steppe ancestry
Etruscan were non-IE with steppe ancestry

 

[Indo-Aryan]

 

[Indo-Aryan]

I really find it funny.

Scholars successfully created proto-indo-European with no way to attest but despite attested Mitanni they are unable to identify it. They are unsure....... it could be Proto-Iranian, Proto-Vedic, indo-Iranian or an extinct sub family of Indo-Iranian language lol

 

[Indo-Aryan]

Interesting data point

irula

xing

22

83%

1%

13%

0%

Sample size 22
South India 83%
Bloch 1%
CHG 13%

I don't know why some articles and social media comments were claiming IVC samples were related to this tribe.

Though sample sizes of other Dravidian tribal groups is very small its suffice to say these groups barely mixed with the North Indian groups unlike major groups in South Indian states which at least on average show 25-30% Bloch component.

And if this group is ancient and maintained isolation then I think it's fair to assume their language to be derived from the South Indian/AASI groups.

The incoming North Indian population mixed with such groups and could be the source of the myth related to Agastya muni who is credited with the earliest Tamil grammar.

This mixed populations became the ancestors of modern South Indians.

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

I really find it funny.

Scholars successfully created proto-indo-European with no way to attest but despite attested Mitanni they are unable to identify it. They are unsure....... it could be Proto-Iranian, Proto-Vedic, indo-Iranian or an extinct sub family of Indo-Iranian language lol

Every time these coomers realize that they lacked proof of an earlier language they simply invented one and add the prefix "proto" to the name of a language to claim that a language was derived from a "proto" language which does not even exist. These so called "proto" languages are based on archaic wordings. 70% of data used is from Indic languages. Then coomers go on to claim that "proto" and all languages change over time nevertheless that the fact is that languages do change but languages change randomly at different rates and the change is unpredictable and all the reconstructions are guessworks where the best guess is labelled as fact when it is not.

When the languages are written down the script does not always exactly reflect the sound and pronunciation of a word.

Take example of english where word like women is spelled as wimen and doubt where the b is silent. So what coomers do is use the vocabulary built up by guesswork of sounds and then attempt compare that with words of a known language like Sanskrit to pass retarded judgements.

Indo iranian is nonsense. To make up the Indo-iranian larp coomers invented a fake Indo-iranian and proto Indo iranian language and then created a previously non existent "avestan" from texts written 3000 years later.

 

[Indo-Aryan]

Another interesting data point
Austroasiatic speakers

juang

chaubey

2

63%

0%

0%

0%

31%

bonda

chaubey

4

63%

0%

0%

0%

32%

ho

chaubey

5

70%

1%

0%

0%

23%

South East Asian component is quite visible with nill Iranian related ancestries.

Now who occupied that place first? Is anybody's guess x_x

 

[Indo-Aryan]

Every time these coomers realize that they lacked proof of an earlier language they simply invented one and add the prefix "proto" to the name of a language to claim that a language was derived from a "proto" language which does not even exist. These so called "proto" languages are based on archaic wordings. 70% of data used is from Indic languages. Then coomers go on to claim that "proto" and all languages change over time nevertheless that the fact is that languages do change but languages change randomly at different rates and the change is unpredictable and all the reconstructions are guessworks where the best guess is labelled as fact when it is not.

When the languages are written down the script does not always exactly reflect the sound and pronunciation of a word.

Take example of english where word like women is spelled as wimen and doubt where the b is silent. So what coomers do is use the vocabulary built up by guesswork of sounds and then attempt compare that with words of a known language like Sanskrit to pass retarded judgements.

Indo iranian is nonsense. To make up the Indo-iranian larp coomers invented a fake Indo-iranian and proto Indo iranian language and then created a previously non existent "avestan" from texts written 3000 years later.

Heart break the linguistics will suffer the day they realize their whole model was flawed to begin with. 200 years of scholarship down the drain. That's why there is resistance.

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

I was thinking over it for last few days but my brain got dead so I would like some answers.


Claim: IranN was Dravidian speakers

If that was the case then how come related though separated temporarily and spatially Caucasian hunter gatherers were the conduit for Indo-European languages?

Ganj Dareh was genetically similar to Indus Valley people and lived around 10000BP in Western Iran. Around the same time it's hypothesized by max plank institute that another Iranian related hunter gatherers CHG were proto-Indo-European speakers who contributed half the ancestry to Yamnaya people.


Doesn't make sense.

The more I look at it the more I feel IranN was the conduit for Proto-PIE which became PIE around 8000bce and later contributed to the Yamnaya.

There was huge migration from BHARAT but unfortunately no ancient Bhartiya Dna's right now to show full picture. Kantanen had confirmed that Bharat's Bos Indicus hybridization and introgression into the taurine cattle had occurred in the regions of modern day iran then in ukraine. From this the hybridization spread to the southern and southern eastern european breeds of cattle. This was further confirmed when the ancient cattle Dna from archaeological cattle bones confirmed that after 4000 calibrated before present years the central Asian cattle had whopping 35% Bhartiya Bos Indicus ancestry. Cattles do not move alone and at such vast scaling cattles clearly moved with Bhartiya who brought them there from Bharat. How many people have migrated from Bharat nobody knows exactly but clearly it was in thousands at minimum. Its obvious they all were multilinguals that is they did not speak only one language.

 

[Indo-Aryan]

There was huge migration from BHARAT and there are unfortunately no ancient Bhartiya Dna's right now to show full picture. Kantanen had confirmed that Bharat's Bos Indicus hybridization and introgression into the taurine cattle had occured in the regions of modern day iran , then in ukraine. From this the hybridization spread to the southern and southern eastern european breeds of cattle. This was further confirmed when the ancient cattle Dna from archaeological cattle bones confirmed that after 4000 calibrated before present the central Asian cattle had whopping 35% Bhartiya Bos Indicus ancestry. Cattles do not move alone and at such vast scaling cattles clearly moved with Bhartiya who brought them there from Bharat. How many peoples have migrated from Bharat nobody knows exactly but clearly it was in thousands at minimum. Its obvious they all were multilinguals that is they did not speak only one language.

Exactly!

Its not one bit surprising that such movement of cattle into near East accompanied 1st attestation of Sanskritic language and Sanskritic deities. Local population were Hurrian speaking and this Sanskritic elite either died out or gave birth to later West Iranian languages.

 

[Indo-Aryan]

paniya

chaubey

3

84%

0%

3%

0%

4%

pulliyar

metspalu

5

83%

0%

9%

0%

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

paniya

chaubey

3

84%

0%

3%

0%

4%

pulliyar

metspalu

5

83%

0%

9%

0%

Do not forget that entire near east cattle population has one third BHARTIYA Zebu introgression. Be it your italian breeds like romagnoia or chiania or marchigiana or be it romanian breeds of gray black white brown spotted or black and the ukrainian or central Asian breeds by multiple documentations over ancient cattle Dna. All of these mentioned had Bhartiya cattle genetic contributions to them often upto 15 percent and in the case of ukrainian and central Asian cattles the presence was more than 35%. Not only this the ancient Dna studies on cattles have confirmed Bhartiya zebu autosomal alleles in the european podolian and that iberian spanish portugese and whitehead cow breeds as well. This pretty much confirms that not only Bhartiya migrated but Bhartiya migrated with their cattles to these places.

 

[Indo-Aryan]

tn-brahmin

xing

14

47%

38%

6%

4%

0%

tn-dalit

xing

12

73%

22%

1%

0%

I don't know what to make of it.
Seems like same population group to me.

Since ancient times isn't it a habit among rural Indians to outcast members of their own society as a punishment. Such groups would unlikely get to marry people from such groups hence mixing with outside groups which further diluted their ancestries.


On the other hand influential groups were likely to get more chances at an exotic marriage partners.

Gandhari wed Dhritarashtra
Chandragupta wed Helena
Rajiv wed Antonio Maino

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

tn-brahmin

xing

14

47%

38%

6%

4%

0%

tn-dalit

xing

12

73%

22%

1%

0%

I don't know what to make of it.
Seems like same population group to me.

Since ancient times isn't it a habit among rural Indians to outcast members of their own society as a punishment. Such groups would unlikely get to marry people from such groups hence mixing with outside groups which further diluted their ancestries.


On the other hand influential groups were likely to get more chances at an exotic marriage partners.

Gandhari wed Dhritarashtra
Chandragupta wed Helena
Rajiv wed Antonio Maino

Fyi that antoniamaino was raand in barclub.

 

[Indo-Aryan]

Do not forget that entire near east cattle population has one third BHARTIYA Zebu introgression. Be it your italian breeds like romagnoia or chiania or marchigiana or be it romanian breeds of gray black white brown spotted or black and the ukrainian or central Asian breeds by multiple documentations over ancient cattle Dna. All of these mentioned had Bhartiya cattle genetic contributions to them often upto 15 percent and in the case of ukrainian and central Asian cattles the presence was more than 35%. Not only this the ancient Dna studies on cattles have confirmed Bhartiya zebu autosomal alleles in the european podolian and that iberian spanish portugese and whitehead cow breeds as well. This pretty much confirms that not only Bhartiya migrated but Bhartiya migrated with their cattles to these places.

kurd

xing

24

1%

28%

44%

5%

kurd

harappa

12

3%

26%

41%

5%

kurd

yunusbayev

6

2%

27%

45%

6%

Unless i am stretching it too much this clearly shows a IranN rich component with some South Indian component came from the Indus valley to the Kurdistan region and possibly bringing ideas that laid the foundation of yazadi beliefs.

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

Gold rings from Pur village, Haryana, about 1800 bce. Integration Sindhu Sarasvati era. The motif is seemingly relevant to SINDHU SARASVATI Astronomy for over thousands of years of the civilization's existence. In that case these rings belong to bronze age BHARTIYA astronomers.

Thanks Vritrahan2014 for sharing this.

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

How the Prabhavali or the arch around a deity figure evolved in Indic religious art and still continues. One of many magnificient continuation from the pre historic era to the post modern times- it’s a long journey that is still adding to the vast corpus of huge evidence confirming the remarkable tens of thousands of years continuity of Civilisation of BHARAT.

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

^^^^^ The image depicts how the Prabhavali evolved from a Mohenjo daro seal showing a deity inside the arch of a pipal branch, to a Chola era bronze of Nataraja shown inside an arch/Prabhavali holding fire, to a modern day bronze Prabhavali found in any shop selling Pooja items in BHARAT.

 

[Indo-Aryan]

How the Prabhavali or the arch around a deity figure evolved in Indic religious art and still continues. One of many magnificient continuation from the pre historic era to the post modern times- it’s a long journey that is still adding to the vast corpus of huge evidence confirming the remarkable tens of thousands of years continuity of Civilisation of BHARAT.

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I don't want to be labelled castiest so ..... that braided hair deity looks like this

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

An extremley rare colored fresco of an Ancient BHARTIYA couple from Gandhara dated to maybe the 4th century ad. There is an inscription above in Gupta Brahmin characters. The hands of the woman are in the Añjali Mudrā (famously seen as the "Namaste" gesture).