Aryan Invasion Theory

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Well I did not see that they will surely reconstruct a face on them soon maybe a month or two that I do not know as of now.
Our climate is very unforgiving to the DNA 😔.
I read somewhere that petrous temporal bone has higher concentration of DNA which has made recovery of sufficient quantity & quality DNA possible from regions like West Asia & South Asia.
 
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Our climate is very unforgiving to the DNA 😔.
Neeraj Rai pointed that out to us David Frawley was also there in the JAIPUR DIALOGUES session called after RAKHIGARHI. We need more samples because most of the fantasy flinging cucks masturbating over Indology in either absence of Indian samples or coomers greatly under represent our samples. Positively in the decades to come this will change. Let RAM MANDIR open up again and the awakening which will follow that grand inauguration will be spearheading the way for our own DHARMIC Academia and the grand Civilisational awakening all together.
 

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The dominant paradigm concerning the presence of the Indo-Aryan branch of the Indo‑European language family is the so-called Aryan invasion theory, which claims that Indo-Aryan was brought into India by "Aryan" invaders from Central Asia at the end of the Harappan period (early 2nd millennium BC).
Well, the word "Arya" means "Noble" in many languages. Therefore the theory that underpins the idea seems to be wrong.

Ayra is nationality agnostic. Any noble person can be an Arya or "Ariya" in Prakrit. A language spoken by an Ariya must be a spiritual language.
 

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Y-chromosome haplogroups G, J, L1, L3, Q, R1 and R2 seem to have entered South Asia more recently in the early to mid-Holocene from a West Eurasian source.

https://archive.md/FHYfF#selection-2099.347-2103.91

Multidimensional-Scaling-Plot-of-36-Eurasian-Populations-Based-on-Fst-Distances-The.png


Although a large scale Aryan invasion theory has been discredited (Thapar 2008; Sharma et al. 2009), many smaller historic migrations from the west have not yet been ruled out (Bryant and Patton 2005;Underhill et al. 2010;2015).

R1a origins in Gujarat:
 

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This paper explores the evidence that the Sindhu-Saraswati Civilization which was indigenous and continues as today's Hindu civilization.

The colonial dictum of Hitler's Nazi MAIT (Myth of Aryan Invasion Theory) that tribal groups are the original inhabitants while upper castes descended from Nazi Indo-Europeans is just a Nazi myth, and archaeogenetics has already done away with Indo-Europeans as a definable genetic unit. Further, new genetic evidence based on my DNA profile clearly points to the same conclusion that the genotype (race) has nothing to do with the language.
 
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We wuz Aryanz, Shudras, Ungabunga, Scythians
WE WUZ DIKSHITZ N SHIETZ

AND MANY MORE


Apart from geographical and linguistic divisions, the Indian population has been diversified by caste and religion with a variable degree of endogamy. There is also a very high report of consanguinity in some communities, resulting in genetic disorders in clusters with founder mutations. Among the reported genetic disorders in India, Down syndrome, thalassemia, hemophilia, and muscular dystrophy are the most frequent in urban areas.
 
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Update 05/09/2019: I had a quick look at the ancient Rakhigarhi individual with qpAdm, just to confirm for myself that she was indeed largely of West Eurasian origin and practically indistinguishable from Indus_Periphery. The genotype data that I used are freely available here.

IND_Rakhigarhi_BA
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N 0.711±0.065
Onge 0.232±0.067
RUS_Tyumen_HG 0.057±0.059
chisq 13.251
tail prob 0.0392147
Full output

Indus_Periphery
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N 0.674±0.015
Onge 0.237±0.014
RUS_Tyumen_HG 0.090±0.012
chisq 14.877
tail prob 0.0212326
Full output

Indus_Periphery
IND_Rakhigarhi_BA 0.946±0.074
Onge 0.054±0.074
chisq 10.358
tail prob 0.169152
Full output
This does appear to be the case, although it's also obvious that my models are missing something important because their statistical fits are rather poor. I'm guessing the main problem is trying to use the Onge people of the Andaman Islands as a proxy for the indigenous foragers of the Indian subcontinent.
 

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If I am not wrong this RUS_Tyumen_HG 0.090±0.012 like ancestry could have formed a large component of the Harappan ancestry further back in time?
 

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Tyumen is a city on the Tura River, in the vast Russian region of Siberia.


So is it ANE like ancestry?
 

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Well, the word "Arya" means "Noble" in many languages. Therefore the theory that underpins the idea seems to be wrong.

Ayra is nationality agnostic. Any noble person can be an Arya or "Ariya" in Prakrit. A language spoken by an Ariya must be a spiritual language.
While true in later times; during the Rig Vedic period, it was used almost solely to describe the Bharatas though a couple of times that was used in context of close allies almost conferring them that honor.
 

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Tyumen is a city on the Tura River, in the vast Russian region of Siberia.


So is it ANE like ancestry?
I am confused about it too. It is probably a Western Siberian Hunter Gatherer (WSHG) sample.
From wikipedia-
West Siberian Hunter-Gatherer (WSHG) are a specific archaeogenetic lineage, first reported in a genetic study published in Science in September 2019. WSGs were found to be of about 30% EHG ancestry, 50% ANE ancestry, and 20% to 38% East Asian ancestry
 

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I am confused about it too. It is probably a Western Siberian Hunter Gatherer (WSHG) sample.
From wikipedia-
West Siberian Hunter-Gatherer (WSHG) are a specific archaeogenetic lineage, first reported in a genetic study published in Science in September 2019. WSGs were found to be of about 30% EHG ancestry, 50% ANE ancestry, and 20% to 38% East Asian ancestry
If such an ancestry is male driven doesn't this point to a possible R* R R1* R1 R1a presence from pre Harappan times in India itself? or may be I am stretching it too far x_x
 

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If such an ancestry is male driven doesn't this point to a possible R* R R1* R1 R1a presence from pre Harappan times in India itself? or may be I am stretching it too far x_x
Definitely it is possible. We probably have some surplus ANE ancestry even after accounting current ancient west Eurasian samples. Some pre IVC ANE admixture is possible, which would means we can find ANE related haplogroups such as R1, R2 and Q (in samples of that time at least). But it is more likely that these would be basal and divergent subclades ( can even be dead ends as most modern South Asian R1a1 are descendants of a relatively younger subclade).
 

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The occurrence of Y-chromosome haplogroups L, H, R2, and R1a in both caste and isolated tribal populations suggests much of the existing Indian population structure is very old. Additionally, the high diversity of Y haplogroups R1a1 and R2 in both South Indian and Indus valley populations has led to the suggestion that there is little, if any, genetic influence from other Eurasians on the castes of South India.

 

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Most recently Sengupta et al. (2006) have confirmed R1a's diverse presence including even Indian tribal and lower castes (the so-called untouchables) and populations not part of the caste system. From the diversity and distinctiveness of microsatellite Y-STR variation they conclude that there must have been an independent R1a1 population in India dating back to a much earlier expansion than the Indo-Aryan migration.
 

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