Aryan Invasion Hypothesis

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Endogamous social stratification preexisted the Varna system. Admixture analyses supporting a West Eurasian origin of the Brahmin may be biased due to the high frequencies of R1a1-M17 shared between these populations, as the rest of their Y-chromosomal variation shows little similarity.

Moreover, the recent discovery of new markers within R1a1-M17 has allowed Eastern European Y-lineages to be differentiated from those in Central/South Asia, locating the oldest expansion times with this lineage in Indus Valley populations, suggesting an earlier, possibly autochthonous origin of this HG in South Asia.

The highest STR variances for HG R1a1-M17 observed in SC and DLF, along with the lack of population-specific clusters in the R1a1- M17 network and the failure of BATWING to generate a definitive modal tree for this HG, all argue against the introduction of these paternal haplotypes through a single wave of Brahmin (i.e. Indo-Aryan) migration into the region.

Previous studies of Indian populations have grouped and analyzed the genetic data in the light of the Hindu Varna system even though its origin and antiquity are still an ongoing topic of debate. One of the theories that has acquired wide support relates the establishment of the caste system to Indo-Aryan expansions from Western Eurasia into India around 3 Kya. An alternative view would see an earlier Indo-Aryan expansion with an introduction of cereal farming into Pakistan/North India around 8–7 kya. Genetic evidence reported by other studies that support these theories are mainly based on the high frequency of HG R1a1-M17 in Brahmin castes and their closer genetic affinity with West Eurasian populations compared to other Indian non-Brahmin castes and tribes.

 
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Moreover, the recent discovery of new markers within R1a1-M17 has allowed Eastern European Y-lineages to be differentiated from those in Central/South Asia, locating the oldest expansion times with this lineage in Indus Valley populations, suggesting an earlier, possibly autochthonous origin of this HG in South Asia. The highest STR variances for HG R1a1-M17 observed in SC and DLF, along with the lack of population-specific clusters in the R1a1- M17 network and the failure of BATWING to generate a definitive modal tree for this HG, all argue against the introduction of these paternal haplotypes through a single wave of Brahmin (i.e. Indo-Aryan) migration into the region.
Keep seething about this.

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Its funny to see many Twitter members which believe in AIT now claiming Iran Neolithic being Dravidian lol

If we believe kumarikandam myth then Dravidians are AASI

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Seems like AIT believers from NI and SI don't want to be associated with AASI.

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As far as I know earliest & deep splitting subclades of R1a are found in Eastern Europe. Most of the south Asian R1a belongs to downstream of a particular subclade and is relatively young.
H & F are most probably oldest surviving Y haplogroup in the subcontinent & have higher frequency in tribes & lower castes.
 

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Its funny to see many Twitter members which believe in AIT now claiming Iran Neolithic being Dravidian lol

If we believe kumarikandam myth then Dravidians are AASI

πŸ˜‚

Seems like AIT believers from NI and SI don't want to be associated with AASI.

😭
You must be aware of that Elamo-Dravidian hypothesis, though it doesn't have much support amongst linguists.
 

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Deeper distribution and younger TMRCA of R1a1 in South Asia suggests that those R1a1 ancestors were highly successful (reproductively).
 

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You must be aware of that Elamo-Dravidian hypothesis, though it doesn't have much support amongst linguists.
Yup. But no proof of it.
Then there is Jiroft culture of Iran.
Language also unknown

For now as per my educated guess proto-Dravidian = AASI

And we have found AASI in Rakhigarhi so my educated guess is some form of Proto-Sanskrit and Proto-Dravidian was spoken across Indus valley civilization along side other minor languages.

Steppe language is unknown but my educated guess is Proto-Iranian or something related to Slavic.

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Deeper distribution and younger TMRCA of R1a1 in South Asia suggests that those R1a1 ancestors were highly successful (reproductively).
Let's relook at Myths

Daksha had 60 daughters



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Some of Daksha's earliest appearances are found in the Rigveda. He is mentioned to be an Aditya and specifically associated with the skilled actions of sacrificers. Later in the Brahmanas, he is identified with the creator deity Prajapati. Key elements of Daksha including his yajna and ram head, which later became a key feature in the Puranic iconography, are first found in the Taittariya Samhita. The Ramayana and the Mahabharata also mention Daksha in brief. Most of the legends related to Daksha are described in the Puranas.
 

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Rig Veda could possibly end up as a pre Harappan.

Proto-Indo-European genesis is now dated to 11kbp. With 2 migration models one of them being the steppe route but a highly unlikely one.
The finger millet came from Africa to BHARAT in the late second millennium bc and is absent from all the 4 VEDA clearly confirming that all those 4 VEDA had been finally edited before this time. Contrasting this , the foxtail millet which is called Priyangu had arrived in BHARAT from China during the early bronze age and has been mentioned in the YAJURVEDA and noit mentioned in the RIGVEDA. This evidence alone fixes the date of the RIGVEDA before the bronze age and that of the YAJURVEDA contemporary with the bronze age.
 

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An interesting pointer that I am getting through my understanding of various posts is that this Iran Neolithic like ancestry that contributed to Yamnaya both genetically and linguistically was Female driven.
Fyi the farming copper smelting etc and various human cultural revolutions that took place in BHARAT and Iran (We consider Iran as part of Greater Bharat) did lead to migration of many Indian and Iranian origin mtdnas into europe during neolithic chalcolithic and bronze age periods. These mtdnas haplogroups are N1a,T1,T2,K,J,HV,H,V,W,X,I,U2 and U3 have been identified.
 

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If they use Max plank model but steppe route for Indo-Iranian then;

11kbp - North Iran - Proto-Indo-European
3kbp - North Iran - old Iranian
HARAPPA - Dravidian/Linguistic isolate

πŸ˜‚ PIE speakers left Iran and returned Iran as Iranian speakers 8000 years later πŸ˜‚
Ghar wapsi lol

Same Max plank model but southern route then;

11kbp - North Iran - Proto-Indo-European
8kbp - North Iran - Indo Iranian
HARAPPA - Indo-Aryan
Accounting mein you have to make sure the assets side is equal to liabilities side otherwise balance sheet is not deemed correct but sometimes when the balance is not matching of two sides so what you do is open suspense account and jidhar ka bhi balance kam hai toh difference value ka suspense account open karke us side mein likh do balance sheet tally hogayi bc. Yeh jo proto gaandmasti hai suspense account jaise hee kuch hoti hai.
 

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I have shown evidence above that there is a very very high likelihood of an IndoIranian ancestry to have provided ancestry to both Indian groups like Irula (and IVC) as well as Steppe Eneolithic. My unpublished work shows that this same ancestry has provided significant ancestry to populations in SC Asia like Sarazm 3000bce. Where this source lived in 6th millenium bce is unknown yet, but in the vicinity of NW south asia and SC asia will be a good guess. Could be either early Mehrgarh culture or Jeitun culture but we need ancient samples from these cultures.

A similar conclusion was also drawn by Chad at populationgenomicsblog.com regarding the Steppe enolithic samples. His qpGraph work showed Steppe Eneolithic wanting south of caspian ancestry.
Steppe Eneolithic, or Prikaspiiskaya (Caspian Culture) from the β€œSouth”


Recently, both Harvard and Max Planck seem to have changed their theory about PIE origins to Iran, and therefore the post by Davidski on Eurogenes lamenting this. Harvard and Max Planck are of course on the right track, but it will be a while till their ideas move more eastwards towards South Asia and South Central Asia, but that will indeed happen.
 

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Keep seething about this.

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GANGA plains mein high frequency r1a z93 detection hue hai aur wahi hamara Tmrca hai. On going research has shown R* the entire first lineage is present there. R1a in central Gangetic plains and further to east of BHARAT and r1a1 cutting across entire Bharat timeline started from 20k before present to this date 2021 ad full continuity hai there is nothing broken.
 

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