Aryan Invasion Theory

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This shows a culture/civilization existing in the south along side Sindhu SARASVATI.

Sangam literature of Tamils is dated at 600bce.
Tamil Sangam Literature may be contemporary to Vedic Civilization, because it is mentioned that Maharshi Agastya have convened the first sagam when star Canopus (Sanskrit name of Canopus is Agastya, named after the rishi) was visible from Kanyakumari and the last time Canopus was visible from Kanyakumari is 12000 years Before Present. Tamil or Proto-Dravidian Language may be the contemporary language to Vedic Civilization and actually may be the spoken language in Vedic Civilization while Sanskrit is used only for ritualistic purposes.
 

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Tamil or Proto-Dravidian Language may be the contemporary language to Vedic Civilization and actually may be the spoken language in Vedic Civilization while Sanskrit is used only for ritualistic purposes.
Zero evidence of that. No place names, no river names.

Anyways if Tamil existed at any point, certainly other Dravidian languages like Kannada, Tulu had also existed because their separation from what would have been proto Tamil-Kannada was early on (Telugu was in a a seperate branch and Malayalam would seperate from Tamil very late, under a 1000 years ago). Nothing unique about Tamil, even if many including our PM trot out the nonsense that Tamil is the oldest language etc.
 

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Zero evidence of that. No place names, no river names.

Anyways if Tamil existed at any point, certainly other Dravidian languages like Kannada, Tulu had also existed because their separation from what would have been proto Tamil-Kannada was early on (Telugu was in a a seperate branch and Malayalam would seperate from Tamil very late, under a 1000 years ago). Nothing unique about Tamil, even if many including our PM trot out the nonsense that Tamil is the oldest language etc.
There is a lot of information in the Vedas which pose the time limits for each of the four VEDIC SAMHITAS . The RIGVEDA does not have wheat rice millets lentil date palm (PREMENDRA PRIYADARSHI). These appear in the YAJURVEDA. From archaeology we know that wheat and rice both were well cultivated in the Ghaghar Hakra culture in the 5th millennium bce as confirmed viz SHINDE.

Thus RIGVEDA predates any this time frame.

Then you have finger millet which came from Africa to BHARAT in the late second millennium bc as showed by Fuller is absent from all the VEDAS clearly indicating that all the VEDAS had been edited finally before this time.

Then you have foxtail millet call PRIYANGU which arrived BHARAT from China during the early bronze age has been mentioned in the YAJURVEDA and not mentioned in the RIGVEDA. This concludes the date of the RIGVEDA before the bronze age and that of YAJURVEDA contemporary with the bronze age. Do note that the YAJURVEDA corresponds to the wet and warm mid holocene 5500-2500 bce time frame. And this is the reason why you generally get mention of those animals in the YAJURVEDA which lived only in the wet and warm climates nevertheless cannot live in cold dry climates.

The population of SINDHU SARASVATI Civilisation was 50 lakhs between 20 and 50 lakhs that is. The latest paper coomers published they found so called Dravidian words a few of them and started horseshiet claim that lulz Dravidian and shiet.That is why prof. Kenoyer has rejected such larp based on few so called Dravidian words that were labelled and "branded" to be Dravidian and proposed multi lingual theory with respect to SINDHU SARASVATI Civilization.

Not only that the period of the SAMAVEDA comes to 6000-5000bce which was the transition period between cold dry early holocene and the wet and warm mid holocene. The RIGVEDA gets placed in the cold and dry early holocene 8000-6000bce when the SARASVATI was connected with the Himalayan glaciers.
 
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Mittani Indo-Aryan presence in Syria and near by regions are now dated to 1800 bce.

Possible repercussions?

Mittani Iranian and Vedic are sister languages

Or

Mittani is proto-Vedic

Or

Mittani is post Vedic
 

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Mittani Indo-Aryan presence in Syria and near by regions are now dated to 1800 bce.

Possible repercussions?

Mittani Iranian and Vedic are sister languages

Or

Mittani is proto-Vedic

Or

Mittani is post Vedic
Well this mittani is post VEDIC SANSKRIT and uses the words and grammar resembling later languages like Pali,Prakrit and Magadhi etc. For example mittani "mitta" from VEDIC "Mitra" or satta from VEDIC "Sapta" etc are there in post Vedic languages both Pali and Prakrit.They are also in modern Indian languages like Punjabi as in "mittar,satta" etc. VEDIC language is older because "p" in our SANSKRIT Sapta is also present in iranian hafta, greek hept-,latin sept-,english seven etc. Hence loss of "p" is later not that "p" was gained later into the mittani word satta.

Then this explorer wilfred notes.

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Well this mittani is post VEDIC SANSKRIT and uses the words and grammar resembling later languages like Pali,Prakrit and Magadhi etc. For example mittani "mitta" from VEDIC "Mitra" or satta from VEDIC "Sapta" etc are there in post Vedic languages both Pali and Prakrit.They are also in modern Indian languages like Punjabi as in "mittar,satta" etc. VEDIC language is older because "p" in our SANSKRIT Sapta is also present in iranian hafta, greek hept-,latin sept-,english seven etc. Hence loss of "p" is later not that "p" was gained later into the mittani word satta.

Then this explorer wilfred notes.

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The note is taken from ?
 

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I have posted the links a couple of pages back as much as I reckon and that image I attached is from this book called the Marsh arabs.
 
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NEERAJ RAI (Head of geneticists team and owner of cell paper 2019 on Rakhigarhi, in this latest discussion dated 14 September 2021, confirms that the highly anticipated R1a paper will be groundbreaking and demolish the already crumbling aitbs forever. NEERAJ RAI further says that his legendary paper on horse is ongoing massive research which covers over 10k samples is going to be published as soon as feasible.


@ezsasa @Indx TechStyle @dazialsoku
 

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NEERAJ RAI (Head of geneticists team and owner of cell paper 2019 on Rakhigarhi, in this latest discussion dated 14 September 2021, confirms that the highly anticipated R1a1 paper will be groundbreaking and demolish the already crumbling aitbs forever. NEERAJ RAI further says that his legendary paper on horse is ongoing massive research which covers over 10k samples is going to be published as soon as feasible.


@ezsasa @Indx TechStyle @dazialsoku
That's F**king amazing
 

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On this horse. @Indo-Aryan @Haldilal @dazialsoku

"The report claiming the earliest date for the domesticated horse in India, ca. 4500 B.C.E., comes from a find from Bagor, Rajasthan, at the base of the Aravalli Hills" (Edwin Bryant 2001:170)


Horse at Lothal "There is occurrence of horse bones in the mature Harappan levels of Lothal (Rao, 1979). Obviously, the Harappans were familiar with the horse as early as 2200 B.C"

Source:Animal Remains Excavated from Lothal Archaeological Site (Gujarat) and Relevance of the Fauna to this Ancient Civilization by Saha, U.; Ghosh, M.; Pal, T. K.

The single tooth of horse reffered to above Indicates the presence of horse at Lothal during harappan period.The tooth from lothal resembles Closely with that of the modern horse and has the pre-callabian..which is well distinguishable of the cheek tooth of horse(S.R.Rao1985:641)

Refer - The Indo-Aryan Controversy: Evidence and Inference in Indian History (pg 69 to 70)

Phase III of Lothal at Gujarat which belongs to Mature Harappan phase has yielded a terracotta figure of horse(ibid)

Evidence of horse from Rakhigarhi and Harappa

"excavations have been carried out at Rakhigarhi...a diverse set of figurines that are very similar to those discovered in Harappa has been recovered.These include figurines identified as zebu,water buffalo,dog,lion,leopard,rabbit, and horse" (Sharri Clark & Mark Kenoyer 2017)


Refer to The Oxford Handbook of Prehistoric Figurines(pg 510)

"Perhaps the most interesting of the model animals is one that I personally take to represent a horse" -Mackay (in 1938)
DHARMA Triumph1.jpg


Then what mortimer wheeler also talks about the same horse model in (Refer pg 92 of The SINDHU SARASVATI Civilization)

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In the work The SINDHU SARASVATI Civilization pg 82

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Bhola Nath identified horse : https://archive.org/details/records-indian-museum-59-336-367/page/n27/mode/2up

The horse bone recorded at Mohenjodaro (1931, p. 653) by Sewell(ibid) Also Bryant in his 2001 book Notes this "Sewell and Guha, as early as 1931, had confirmed the existence of true horse, Equus caballus Linn from Mohenjo-Daro itself"

"cannot either deny or alter the find of a scientific fact that the horse was present at Hallur before the (presumed) period of invasion
" -K. R. Alur(quoted by Bryant)

Hallur is situated in Karnataka . There remains were dated to 1500 bce and 1300 bce.

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Refer: Domestication of animals in Harappan culture: a socio−economic study by Sajjan Kumar chapter IV (pg 126-130)


Read this paper "The Harappan Horse was buried under the dunes of..." By A.K.Sharma to get more details regarding the horse finds at Kalibangan,Surkotada and other sites


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Source: Horse Remains From the Prehistoric Site of Surkotada, Kutch, Late 3rd Millennium B.C by Sandor Bokonyi

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