Aryan Invasion Hypothesis

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We are all true inheritors of SSVC - the north simply has more admixture through the historic times mixing ( Shaka, Parthava, Tukhara, Yeopthal, Turushka, etc. migrations from 100s BCE-600s CE period)
The tribes you're mentioning as foreigners themselves were once among the rig Vedic tribe,the only difference bw a north indian and a South Indian is the admixture with more AASI, genetically their ain't much difference(other than that of isolated tribes),phenotypically maybe..
 

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The tribes you're mentioning as foreigners themselves were once among the rig Vedic tribe,the only difference bw a north indian and a South Indian is the admixture with more AASI, genetically their ain't much difference(other than that of isolated tribes),phenotypically maybe..
IMO, these may've been rigvedic tribes, these are the names given to the foreigners who returned to India much later, after the R1 haplotype arose or after admixture with the west asian J haplotypes, introducing the steppe DNA in the 100s BCE-600s CE period.
 

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IMO, these may've been rigvedic tribes, these are the names given to the foreigners who returned to India much later, after the R1 haplotype arose or after admixture with the west asian J haplotypes, introducing the steppe DNA in the 100s BCE-600s CE period.
R1A1 admixture is very old,nearly all(from tribes to endogamous castes) have R1A1 admixture and in healthy amount so this whole shit is a big mess than we generally generalise.
 

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Why do we keep subscribing to the western theory of Aryan invasion. It is their way of explaining superiority of Indian mind and philosophy over their war like mind stuff.

No sir, nobody came from Eurasia. They were all Indians with sophisticated cultural background who were forced to migrate to Gangetic valley from the Sarswati River banks due to drying of the river or natural calamities.

Hence every time you talk about Aryan Invasion theory, you give credibility to the Western view point.
 

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Why do we keep subscribing to the western theory of Aryan invasion. It is their way of explaining superiority of Indian mind and philosophy over their war like mind stuff.

No sir, nobody came from Eurasia. They were all Indians with sophisticated cultural background who were forced to migrate to Gangetic valley from the Sarswati River banks due to drying of the river or natural calamities.

Hence every time you talk about Aryan Invasion theory, you give credibility to the Western view point.
No one here is buying this AIT bs....all the efforts in this thread are to debunk the AIT & prove OIT....we are adding more & more evidence in favour of OIT & against AIT
 

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What's their reasoning for placing homeland of pie in armenia
IranN ancestry....its the common ancestry in all IE branches

IVC= IranN+ AASI, most of UCs all across India have IranN majority ancestry,while LCs have AASI majority ancestry
Yamnaya culture which gave rise to all Zooropean langs is mix of ANE & IranN

aDNA of IranN is discovered in Iran, hence it is called IranN...but there is high probablilty of its origin in India, we don't have aDNA yet, but if IranN is born in India, then it will be final proof of OIT & will bring PIE to India, that too to Ganga plains, not Sarasvati valley, & it will also prove the puranic lore that founder of lunar dynasty "ILA" migrated from Prayag (Ganga) to Kurukshetra (Sarasvati)
 

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IranN ancestry....its the common ancestry in all IE branches

IVC= IranN+ AASI, most of UCs all across India have IranN majority ancestry,while LCs have AASI majority ancestry
Yamnaya culture which gave rise to all Zooropean langs is mix of ANE & IranN

aDNA of IranN is discovered in Iran, hence it is called IranN...but there is high probablilty of its origin in India, we don't have aDNA yet, but if IranN is born in India, then it will be final proof of OIT & will bring PIE to India, that too to Ganga plains, not Sarasvati valley, & it will also prove the puranic lore that founder of lunar dynasty "ILA" migrated from Prayag (Ganga) to Kurukshetra (Sarasvati)
I think IVC will eventually turn out to be the homeland of ALL IE languages and the homeland of PIE.
I think so, because IVC archeology reflects the Vedas in one very crucial aspect.
The Rig Ved considers a section of Aryavarta, known as Brahmavarta, as the ' nucleus' of the Aryans.
The manu smriti considers this region to be the 'place of creation' by Brahma.

Where is this place ? Well the location of Brahmavarta is consistent through the ages - its described as the land between the Saraswati river & Drishadvati river - the latter originating from lake Pushkar & flowing north to join with Saraswati. This region roughly corresponds with Western Haryana and North-Eastern Rajasthan.
The Brahmanas say that the Rig Ved was composed on the banks of the Drishadvati, in Brahmavarta, close to its confluence with the Saraswati, particularly, near Dhosi hill- an extremely important Vedic site.

We have seals from as late as Gupta period, from Indraprastha region ( Delhi) saying 'brahmavarta'.

Now, where do we find the OLDEST IVC/proto-IVC site in the Indian subcontinent ?
Its NOT Mehrgarh, its Bhirrana- dated 500 years older than Mehrgarh, at 7500 BCE. Or 9500 years ago.
And where is Bhirrana ?
IN Brahmavarta.
Where is the oldest and largest IVC city - Rakhigarhi-located ? In Brahmavarta
Which area of the IVC has by far the densest concentration of sites ? Brahmavarta - where the districts of Hanumangarh(Rajasthan), Hisar & Bhiwani ( Haryana) contains more than 10 IVC and pre-IVC sites.

So to me, it is quite clear, that THIS region is the core of Aryavarta.
 

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