Armenian-Azerbaijan 2020 War

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utubekhiladi

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Ya'll Nibbiars Photos show one of the Azerbaijan UAV's shot down by Artsakh Armed Forces in the town of Askeran, Artsakh. The UAV targeted civilian infrastructures. Rescue Service of the NKR. Even Kamikaze drones are being downed with just MANPADS.
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looks like harop drone
all this destroyed Israeli drone debris will be taken by porkistan back to their home and reverse engineer them, paint them green and then call it indigenous .. mashaallah.
 

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France irked by Turkey's offer of military support to Azerbaijan

French President Emmanuel Macron, whose country is home to many people of Armenian ancestry, hit back during a visit to Latvia. He said France was extremely concerned by “warlike messages” from Turkey “which essentially remove any of Azerbaijan’s inhibitions in reconquering Nagorno-Karabakh”.

“And that we won’t accept,” he said.
President Tayyip Erdogan, Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said on Wednesday Turkey would “do what is necessary” when asked whether Ankara would offer military support if Azerbaijan asked for it.
Azerbaijan’s president, Ilham Aliyev, later thanked Turkey for its support but said his country did not need military assistance. Fighting would cease if Armenian forces immediately “leave our lands,” he said.

Cavusoglu also said French solidarity with Armenia amounted to supporting Armenian occupation in Azerbaijan.
France has said it wants the Minsk Group - which is led by Moscow, Paris and Washington - to address the conflict. European Union leaders will also discuss it at a summit later this week, a German government source said.
 

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NATO probably would have gotten rid of Turkey had there been a clause in NATO articles for eviction of members for misbehaviour. But there is no such clause. A NATO member can only leave on voluntary basis under article 13 at its own will.
 

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Anyone else thinking that chinese is behind this war? :troll:

what if Chinese are fueling this war to break NATO Apart or to cause infighting among other powerful nations? look at the players involved, turkey, porkistan etc. there are now rumors that ruskies will jump in and French is not happy
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars In the location known as Varazatumb, our units shot down a combat helicopter, which fell in the territory of Iran. Artsakh MoD declares that this was not intentional and due to the fact that Azerbaijan military actions are close to the Iranian border such cases are inevitable.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars In the location known as Varazatumb, our units shot down a combat helicopter, which fell in the territory of Iran. Artsakh MoD declares that this was not intentional and due to the fact that Azerbaijan military actions are close to the Iranian border such cases are inevitable.
So Azerbaijani helicopter shot down? Where is the source for this claim?
 

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So Azerbaijani helicopter shot down? Where is the source for this claim?
Armenian Unified Information Centre.
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Today in the SE of the Artsakh-Azerbaijani conflict zone (Lele Tepe), units of the Defence Army shot down an enemy combat helicopter that crashed in the terr. of Iran. MoD of the Artsakh announces that there is no element of intent. Ops take place close to Iran.

The war will end with the defeat of Azerbaijan The aftermath: thousands or tens of thousands of victims and many times more wounded. The collapse of the economy, which they will not be able to recover for a very long time, decades.

 
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Then what are pakistanis inbreds doing there??
You must understand that other countries with majority islamic population,due to circumstances and actions on their populations part they have many other cards to play as a country other than ummah card and is kept in reserve or mothballed.some like Saudi have oil,some have high hdi and somewhat developed tech card,etc.for pakistani state strategic position,i.e.,I am not useful but I occupy a important peace of land in geopolitical terms,atum bum card and finally ummah card are the only ones they have and that Is by scrapping the bottom of their utilty barrel.

For pakistan in a way I cannot blame them as ummah card is one of the few things in their limited arsenal they have and hence can deploy.for other countries it is a trump card they can use but rarely do.

Think of it like a tech tree in a civilization game.they have not much points into business,tech or education and hence mid and late game they only cheap Abdul units to deploy mostly.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars National Security Service of Armenia has accused a former high-ranking defense official in high treason and spying for Azerbaijan. The National Security Service of the Republic of Armenia, following a consistent and effective struggle by the special services of foreign countries to detect, prevent and thwart the territorial integrity of the Republic of Armenia, has revealed a previously high-ranking military service. A case of high treason by a person. In particular, the large number of effective investigative and other judicial actions initiated during the preliminary investigation of the criminal case initiated in the Investigation Department of the National Security Service of the Republic of Armenia;

Thus. The person involved in the criminal case, being in the territory of the Republic of Georgia, appeared in the field of view of the Azerbaijani intelligence services operating in that country, recruited by the intelligence services, received specific tasks to obtain information on Artsakh, the external security, armed forces and armaments of the Republic of Armenia. or on the transfer of information already available to him due to service, including army personnel, weapons, ammunition, quantity և type of military equipment, military units ամաս their command staff, defense zones, engineering structures և equipment և etc. to the detriment of the external security of the Republic of Armenia to spy.

After that, the mentioned person started collecting such information, in particular, being in the RA Armed Forces for many years, having official permission to touch state-service secrets, bearing responsibility for their leakage, realizing that in case of leakage of this information would damage the country's security. , to collect, store information on military equipment, armaments, including tanks, batteries, reinforcements, primarily vulnerable objects, persons serving in the Armed Forces of the Republic of Armenia, registered in the reserve, etc. In the Armed Forces of the Republic և Relations between the officers of Artsakh,He had regular meetings with the latter ություններ showed interest in specific actions taken by the units և etc., collected data, after which he regularly left the Republic of Armenia for the Republic of Azerbaijan, both inside and outside the Embassy of Azerbaijan և had numerous telephone conversations with the Azerbaijani intelligence services with the employees, to hand over to them in part or disclose the information that he / she became aware of, containing the state secrets collected by him / her;how he provided other assistance to carry out hostile activities, fulfilling the tasks of the intelligence services of the hostile country to the detriment of the territorial integrity and external security of the Republic of Armenia, trying to keep his identity and contact numbers with the intelligence services as secret as possible.

In order to commit the above-mentioned criminal act, a decision was made to involve the mentioned person as a defendant for committing a crime under Article 299, Part 1 of the RA Criminal Code, and detention was chosen as a measure of restraint against him.

It should be noted that as a result of urgent investigative actions undertaken during the preliminary investigation of the criminal case, including more than a dozen searches, a large amount of ammunition was found in the accused's apartment or auxiliary buildings, grenades, explosives, bullets, , documents containing official-state secrets on armaments, including tanks, batteries, amplifiers, primarily vulnerable objects, etc., some of which are in original originals.

At the same time, a search of the defendant's residence turned up radio equipment for reconnaissance activities, means of communication, and notebooks containing notes on telephone numbers intended for contacting the Azerbaijani special services.

The National Security Service of the Republic of Armenia will continue to take active measures to detect, prevent and disrupt the intelligence activities of other special services of foreign countries, as well as individuals. to protect against internal և external threats.

At the same time, the National Security Service expects the involvement of the general public in this process, to disclose to the authorities the information they have learned about treason or espionage, in favor of the sovereignty, security and territorial integrity of the Republic of Armenia.

Notice . The alleged crime is suspected or accused shall be presumed innocent , as long as his guilt is proven to the Criminal Procedure Code prescribed procedure , the Court , the legal effect of a final judgment.

 

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Armenians demanding ban on Canada's import WESCAM drone technology to Turkey allegedly used by Azerbaijan.

The Canadian peace research institute Project Ploughshares recently published an extensive report on this issue. It says it gathered evidence that "strongly indicates” Burlington, Ont.'s L3Harris Wescam sensors have been mounted on Turkey's unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) — better known as drones — which the report claims "have been used extensively by Turkey in its recent military activities."

CTV News has reached out to the company for comment, but has not received a response.

"It appears that Turkey has also exported UAVs equipped with WESCAM sensors to armed groups in Libya, in blatant breach of the nearly decade-old UN arms embargo," the report claims.

"Canada's export of WESCAM sensors to Turkey poses a substantial risk of facilitating human suffering, including violations of human rights and international humanitarian law," Project Ploughshares said in a report released last Tuesday.

Authorities in Azerbaijan have released videos purporting to show Azerbaijani military drones precision-targeting more than a dozen Armenian air defence units and other military equipment.
Canadian tech 'integral' to Turkish drones: researcher

L3Harris WESCAM, a Burlington, Ont.-based subsidiary of U.S. defence giant L3Harris, is one of the world's leading producers and exporters of electro-optical/infra-red (EO/IR) imaging and targeting sensor systems, with approximately $500 million in annual exports, according to the Project Ploughshares report.

"These sensors are integral for their ability to conduct drone warfare, which they've done increasingly ... in the past few years across several conflict zones," Gallagher told Radio Canada International last week. "If the exports of these sensors were completely halted, then Turkey would not have the sensors necessary to conduct modern airstrikes."
Apparently Canada froze defense exports to Turkey in wake of Ankara's incursion into Kurdish-controlled northern Syria last October but got exception for WESCAM sensors.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars On October 1, in the southern part of the Artsakh-Azerbaijan conflict zone in the territory of Varazatumb (Lele Tepe), units of the Defense Army shot down an adversary’s combat helicopter, which fell on the territory of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

The Ministry of Defence of the Republic of Artsakh declares that this does not contain any intentionality, and since the military actions unleashed by Azerbaijan are very close to the Iranian border, unfortunately, such cases are inevitable.

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Armenians demanding ban on Canada's import WESCAM drone technology to Turkey allegedly used by Azerbaijan.



Canadian tech 'integral' to Turkish drones: researcher


Apparently Canada froze defense exports to Turkey in wake of Ankara's incursion into Kurdish-controlled northern Syria last October but got exception for WESCAM sensors.

Probably all the microprocessors and micro controllers are foreign. Even with modern thermal imagers only a hand full of countries are able to produce ones with mercury cadmium telluride.

The west is not that serious about stopping Turkey. It’s mostly symbolic, after all Turkey is strategically important and part of NATO. Turks have been able to blatantly invade and steal land from multiple countries, destabilize countries, export jihadists around the world, regularly violate the sovereignty of Iraq and Greece as well as fuel and participate in wars in Syria, Iraq, Libya, and Armenia. At this point Turkey could do anything it wants, sadly because of the protection of NATO many countries are afraid to retaliate against Turkish aggression.

Turks are hated and despised everywhere with the exception of a few shit hole Islamic bootlicking countries like Pakistan, Azerbaijan and some other shit-hole-stans that marvel at the fact that Turkey is in NATO and ‘western’ aka Turkey stole land, culture, architecture ect from Christians.
 

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What exactly are they going to lose? They are fighting for a territory that is legally recognised as theirs (not of Armenians) by all of international community. No one supports Armenia's claim of Nagorno-Karabakh as Armenian territory. Unless they venture into Armenia's internationally recognised territory, why would Russians or US would get involved there.
you are not wrong.

but since 2012 many US and Aus States and Basque Parliament started to support the right of the people of Nagorno Karabakh to self determination.
though this kind of thing is completely unprecedented and uncharted but it has some legal backing.

Armenia and Azhar bhaijan are engaged in Minsk Group to sort this mess out. point to note : it is a mess created by Stalin. Stalin decided that area should be under Azhar bhaijan without any concrete backing by any historical fact or consulting those people in that region etc. (afaik)

now unilaterally attacking that area means, it's simply hooliganism or expansionism. please note they were engaged in talks and taken the path of third party mediation and each and every party agreed to that. now why suddenly they started this attack? (probably they will lose in Minsk).

in modern world no country can form an alliance of 3/4 and attack any disputed autonomous region and now they (people of N Karabakh) also have some legal backing (by support of US, Aus States and Basque P) of self determination and they (concerned parties) were engaged in dispute resolution mechanism.

again to note : Turkey and Pak doesn't have any locals standi in this mess. but they have joined in and actually Turkey provoked Azhar bhaijan to attack Armenia. (it's a very dirty game.)(and please don't forget mercenaries).
(side note : as Turkey has entered, atm Greece and France will definitely support Armenia.)

soon it will spread to all areas around their boundary. if it doesn't, then Armenia should ensure that. then what? CSTO will be invoked. but NATO can't be invoked (wrt Turkey) if Greece and/or France take Armenia's side.

if I'm not wrong, most probably Azhar bhaijan will lose Nagorno Karabakh and the ruler of Bhaijan will have to step down after this war due to the outcome of this war (if it continues).
so in the end : ins al ha, boys played well.
 
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Battles are fought with what you have, that includes the generals, officers tactics and intel. Lot of decoys and cheap solutions are being used in this battle.

The objective of AzerTurk seems to be wear down the Armenian defense with swarm drones and stress their inventory. The limited Armenian air defense doesn't help them, but if Osint says they are using decoys, then they are using clever tactics too.

Its certainly not a battle of equals but I dont see Armenians loosing anything strategic unless Turks use their airpower. One thing is certain tough, Turkey wants to be regional player and wants to consolidate its power in the cacus region. EU/Nato has a decision to make. I am certain nothing will change.

This battle will drag on for a few weeks. Most of it is a long term game, just moves are being made.
 

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