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This also means Turkey is out of NATO inner circle even if it remains a member of it.Ita Was expected for very long.
This also means Turkey is out of NATO inner circle even if it remains a member of it.Ita Was expected for very long.
America has basically chosen to abandon Turkey.Ita Was expected for very long.
Russia always seems to get attracted to loser gangs. If Putin is really all he is then he would not side with islamic rogue states or CCP wannabe empireAmerica has basically chosen to abandon Turkey.
Russia and Turkey will draw closer as a result. Armenia is screwed unless the crisis doesn't escalate which looks increasingly unlikely. Due to Soviet divide and rule bullshit, legally speaking Azerbaijan has does nothing wrong and is only evicting Armenian invaders from it's internationally recognized territory. It'll be really easy for Russia to just ignore that tiny country that's hated by all it's neighbors in exchange for drawing Turkey out of NATO. Iran has also improved ties with Turkey so I don't think Armenia will have any help from them.
I don't like saying this but I don't think Armenia will win this one especially without sea access so I'm changing my vote. I really hope I'm wrong though.
In the long run, expect a Turkey, Russia, Iran axis backed by China and Pakistan against an America, Israel, Arab alliance which India will align with.
EDIT: From @ezsasa's post Russia has abandoned Armenia as predicted. I think it should be clear to everyone that Russia is far from the world power it once was. We should avoid relying on them as much as possible.
Armenia should join US camp and then Georgia will open up and they (US) can create a revolution in azerbaijan and get on Ruskie door step....thats how they should secure their country if Putin abandonsArmenians Fear Turkey Is Back to Finish Off the Genocide
The foreign minister of a disputed region on the Armenia Azerbaijan border says his comrades in Armenia may have to call on Putin to facedown the Turkish-backed forces.www.thedailybeast.com
Armenians Fear Turkey Is Back to Finish Off the Genocide
I wonder how long this Terrorist Turkey under Khalifa Hitler Erdogan is going to be tolerated in NATO.This also means Turkey is out of NATO inner circle even if it remains a member of it.
One question, say Russia abandons Armenia then what prevents Armenia from going into USA camp and if they do that then assuming based on the point stated by another member that Georgia can be used as a pathway for USA to help Armenia, just musing not saying it's possible.America has basically chosen to abandon Turkey.
Russia and Turkey will draw closer as a result. Armenia is screwed unless the crisis doesn't escalate which looks increasingly unlikely. Due to Soviet divide and rule bullshit, legally speaking Azerbaijan has does nothing wrong and is only evicting Armenian invaders from it's internationally recognized territory. It'll be really easy for Russia to just ignore that tiny country that's hated by all it's neighbors in exchange for drawing Turkey out of NATO. Iran has also improved ties with Turkey so I don't think Armenia will have any help from them.
I don't like saying this but I don't think Armenia will win this one especially without sea access so I'm changing my vote. I really hope I'm wrong though.
In the long run, expect a Turkey, Russia, Iran axis backed by China and Pakistan against an America, Israel, Arab alliance which India will align with.
EDIT: From @ezsasa's post Russia has abandoned Armenia as predicted. I think it should be clear to everyone that Russia is far from the world power it once was. We should avoid relying on them as much as possible.
Boi, we need popcorn and stuff for the drama unfolding in ME, same ol' clusterfuck abrahamic barbarians killing each other....Turkish Imam Demands Invasion Of Cyprus For The Sake Of Islam And Mohammed's Aunty
İhsan Şenocak, one of the leading Turkish imams, promotes the aggressive foreign policy agenda of President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, urging Turkey to occupy thegreekcitytimes.com
Turkish Imam demands invasion of Cyprus for the sake of Islam and Mohammed’s aunty
Turks declaring a new holy war against christians??
Losing everything formula right there....central and eastern Europeans are the only sanity left in Euro cuckoo landI wonder how long this Terrorist Turkey under Khalifa Hitler Erdogan is going to be tolerated in NATO.
Haven't they learned any lesson from WW's. Terrorist Turkey is enjoying S-400 and few F-35(future orders cancelled though) whose advanced tech might be given to Russian and China already.
Europe is led by sissies today whose defense is literally thrown in the hands of "ladies". The reason Islamists are having their way in Europe.
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Armenia should join US camp and then Georgia will open up and they (US) can create a revolution in azerbaijan and get on Ruskie door step....thats how they should secure their country if Putin abandons
Somewhere along the way he will get the war he is looking for and then it unfolds....Boi, we need popcorn and stuff for the drama unfolding in ME, same ol' clusterfuck abrahamics barbarians killing each other....
Considering how big of a maddog erdogan is, it is within the realm of possibilities.
ya, they lose armenia they lose their underbelly. Armenia is like a center square on that chess board.they will. but I don't think Russia will abandon them. Russia is just waiting for EUs response to avoid any NATO action due to Turkey being involved.
we may see a Russia-China crack there and somewhat reconciliatory action among Rus-US-NATO (though far fetched, but there is a chance).
One question, say Russia abandons Armenia then what prevents Armenia from going into USA camp and if they do that then assuming based on the point stated by another member that Georgia can be used as a pathway for USA to help Armenia, just musing not saying it's possible.
When Ukraine was possible, Armenia via Georgia is totally possible if Armenia gets the short side of the stick in this flare up and they hedge that way. May be Russia is punishing for the stunt by PM during that revolution but he was not anti-Russia and just teaching him a bit of lesson....View attachment 60933
It's almost impossible for the West to support Armenia. Without sea access, Armenia is dependent on its neighbors. Turkey and Azerbaijan are at war with Armenia. Iran and Russia are neutral but will turn hostile if Armenia turns to the West. The only option left is Georgia which dislikes but doesn't hate Armenia. See Abkhazia and South Ossetia? That is land Russia conquered from Georgia last time Georgia aligned with the West in 2008. So Georgia will do it's best to avoid a repeat of that.
Man, I thought maybe through black sea-georgia route usa+nato countries could supply few stuff to Armenia considering the bad relationship between Georgia and Russia but I guess Armenia is sandwiched without much choice. It was just a thought tbh.View attachment 60933
It's almost impossible for the West to support Armenia. Without sea access, Armenia is dependent on its neighbors. Turkey and Azerbaijan are at war with Armenia. Iran and Russia are neutral but will turn hostile if Armenia turns to the West. The only option left is Georgia which dislikes but doesn't hate Armenia. See Abkhazia and South Ossetia? That is land Russia conquered from Georgia last time Georgia aligned with the West in 2008. So Georgia will do its best to avoid a repeat of that.
For the West to support Armenia in a meaningful way will require a lot of effort with little guarantee of success. I just don't see the West supporting a country that is much closer to Russia and part of CSTO. Armenia also isn't strategically significant for the West. I'm sure they want to punish Turkey but they will probably do so in a different battlefield.When Ukraine was possible, Armenia via Georgia is totally possible if Armenia gets the short side of the stick in this flare up and they hedge that way. May be Russia is punishing for the stunt by PM during that revolution but he was not anti-Russia and just teaching him a bit of lesson....
Armenia has only two choices Russia or US. They are in worse location than India as far as neighbors are concerned. If Russia does nothing then I am sure they will try the US route and the US is already committed to Georgia, so it is not a stretch at all considering the route is pretty clear and both are Christian nations of sort and then US always wants to get to Azerbaijan to find a route to caspian see and also surround Iran. Supplies can come in from Bulgaria, Romania and so on without crossing bosphorousFor the West to support Armenia in a meaningful way will require a lot of effort with little guarantee of success. I just don't see the West supporting a country that is much closer to Russia and part of CSTO. Armenia also isn't strategically significant for the West. I'm sure they want to punish Turkey but they will probably do so in a different battlefield.
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