Armenian-Azerbaijan 2020 War

Who will win this conflict


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Love Charger

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I have never read up on the Iran v/s Turkey past history. Seems like another potential future conflict in this disaster zone. Below is from the PDF Karabakh thread. Mr. Z is a Persian. Mr. T is a Turk.


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Read about Sunni Ottoman vs Shia safavid wars .
Battle of chaldiran and all
Very famous , much khoon kharaba etc
Always fight over armenia and control of bagdad .
 

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Armenians are fapping to US and calling out Putin bad bad.

What these guys are doing after the 2020 fiasco. Just bought some weapons from us. But failed to analyze the failure in 2020. Then when Russia started their Ukraine mission, armenians should understand that they have limited external support now with Russia will not going to involve. But they simply wasted their time and paying the price now. Their diplomats should have understood this but failed.

All these Asian countries think US as their savior when USA is situated 10K away. Something they should understand that you need to have some support with your neighbor instead of overlord sitting across atlantic.

Now NATO and EU will do lip service.
 

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It's a pretty complex relationship. Iran backs Assad while Turkey backs FSA.
Both are wary of Kurds. Turkey is downright paranoid while Iran is a little more reasonable. Hence, Turkey and Iran share intelligence with each other against Kurds.

KRG in Iraq also helps both sides (Barzani, the leader of the regime is corrupt and a Kurd version of sepoy). Recently, PJAK, the Kurdish separatist group demanding secession of Rojhelat from Iran was pushed out of border areas of Iraq by KRG.
Similarly KRG attacked YBS (Yazidi militia backed by Kurds with similar ideologies to YPG) on behest of Turkey.

So Iran and Turkey join hands when it comes to killing Kurds but are otherwise fighting on every issue.
Reason why Iran is against Azerbaijan taking over NK region or Armenian border is because Northern Iran has a sizeable ethnic Azerbaijani populace and Azerbaijan right across the border would most definitely fan the flames of separatism there. (Keep in mind Azerbaijan and Israel cooperate with each other frequently, especially when it comes to Iran.)

Also interesting is the name of the Iranian poster in the pic here. Zartosht (farsi for Zoroastrian) is a telling sign. Even though apostasy is punishable by death in Iran, there has been a silent revolution of either reconversion to Zoroastrianism or conversion to Christianity. It won't be visible on paper or survey yet but it's happening and at a pretty good rate.

This will be a game changer if the mullah regime gets weak at any point during a hypothetical war. Islamic Republic of Iran can NOT rely on its own people to not rebel.

Very interesting future for the ME region ahead.
I only remember KDPI and KDP
Which one is lead by Jalal talabani I forgot lol
 

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PUK. It's just another political party with a militia (many political parties in Iraq have their own militia). They did fight against ISIS afaik.
All political parties of iraq have their own militia, really et tu waanar et tu?
Never thought you will make exceptions about political parties of iraq in possession of a militia of their own to fight kek
 

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PUK. It's just another political party with a militia (many political parties in Iraq have their own militia). They did fight against ISIS afaik.
It's a brain burning exercise to remember abbreviations of all Kurdish groups and for whom they fight .
I still stop myself at KDPI and KDP .
And this barzani is the same barzani whom saddam Hussein the nebuchadnazzer of today swatted like a fly all across northern iraq ?
 

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They should have thought about this before.

This is a conflict which Armenia never win. They never made any friends Internationally and did never have and Economic and Military power.

This is a war which they will eventually lose.
 

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They should have thought about this before.

This is a conflict which Armenia never win. They never made any friends Internationally and did never have and Economic and Military power.

This is a war which they will eventually lose.
Now its too late. Armenia dont hv good economy to buy sophsticated weapons.
 

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Now its too late. Armenia dont hv good economy to buy sophsticated weapons.
Problem is that Armenia is sandwiched between Turkey and Azerbaijan who hates Armenia and wants to see Armenia wiped out. Russia was basically Armenia's security guarantor. With the Ukraine war and Russia being too busy in that conflict, Armenia basically had no where to turn to and geography screwed Armenia. US was trying to get Sweden and Finland into NATO and could not upset Turkey any further by picking Armenia's side.

So it was a perfect storm for Turkey and Azerbaijan to take advantage of and Armenia simply had no recourse.
 

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Problem is that Armenia is sandwiched between Turkey and Azerbaijan who hates Armenia and wants to see Armenia wiped out. Russia was basically Armenia's security guarantor. With the Ukraine war and Russia being too busy in that conflict, Armenia basically had no where to turn to and geography screwed Armenia. US was trying to get Sweden and Finland into NATO and could not upset Turkey any further by picking Armenia's side.

So it was a perfect storm for Turkey and Azerbaijan to take advantage of and Armenia simply had no recourse.
But for self defense it should not rely on others.
 

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I don't think so out involvement in Armenia was anything more than opputunistic arms sales. The defence budget of Azerbaijan is larger than Armenian national budget. So I doubt mea was ever so foolish to believe that Armenia would hold.

That being said now that azeris have switched to us, instc is dead.
Artsakh will hold, not Armenia. also, Armenia did not intervene much. Armenia VS Azerbaijan and Turkey is a doable defensive battle if it plays out and Armenia will also have no choice but to fight as it them backed against a wall. Also, these are not paki level Muslims, they are mostly cultural Muslims at best and more defined by their tribe and ethnicity. What I mean to say is that they don't have the readily available renewable resource of low-level sub-conventional tools like sending jihadis across the border the true Muslims pakis are and they remind me of the Yugoslav conflict with Christians-in-name only vs Muslims-in name only types.

Both Baku and Istanbul don't have the cultural and demographic inertia left as in the last century or more to call upon a readily available number of low-cost fighters for their cause from their own population despite Erdogan's best effort to create such a nucleus again within his country - it is too new/recent and is only fledgling - can be reversed with his possible ouster in the next election or decrease in domestic popularity for any local issue, which also has a negative of being seen as bad too as terrorism is also a charge that can come with this.

Only low-cost option is for Turkey or Azerbaijan to train and recruit jihadi-type true Muslims from around the world with clout and sic it on the Armenian border.
 
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We have just sent out defense liaison to Armenia, we planned for the corridor through Armenia. Indian MEA's best hopes probably that these clowns don't go into full mad mode and burn their relations with Russia beyond repair. With each passing day, things will detieorate only.
How do you run a trade corridor between India and Russia through Armenia without Georgia in it? the entire purpose the of Corridor is to connect India with Europe or the European Union’s Single Market by bypassing the Suez Canal and Chinese debt trap belt and road. This would have been a lot easier if Russian wasn’t at war with it’s important neighbors.

Georgia and Ukraine could have literally been used as pivotal parts to the corridor and they would be economically and culturally connected with Russia literally avoiding both current Ukraine and older Georgian wars. Running the North-South Corridor through Azerbaijan is very risky. Azerbaijanis are not India’s friends. It part of Fake Turk Islamist alliance with Turkey, Pakistan and Qatar all of which are Anti-India and want to see the downfall of Bharat.

What India needs to do now is some how convince Georgia to join this corridor. Georgia is very important here. There are two scenarios that can come out of Georgia joining North-South Transport Corridor we can run the corridor through Georgia than to Russia or run it through Georgia then use the ports to connect it with Romania skipping Russia both scenarios taking place and Georgia joining the corridor is very low right now. The Government knows this that’s why they shifting priorities to towards the India-Middle East-Europe Economic Corridor but even that now looks unlikely from way things are going right now.
 
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Roach Jr. blames India

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Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev vented out his anger against India and France for supplying weapons to Armenia, accusing them of fuelling tensions in the Nagorno-Karabakh region.

Aliyev warned that such weapons deliveries could "trigger a new war in the region", adding that he had "already given advance warning to everybody".
 

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