Arjun Main Battle Tank (MBT)

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Having 250 arjuns would be better than having no tanks at all.118+250 could also avoid spare part issue that plagued OG arjun
But the question is - does the army actually need an extra 250 of these machines?? And can the fund be better spent on something else instead??
 

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But the question is - does the army actually need an extra 250 of these machines?? And can the fund be better spent on something else instead??
The fund can be spent on modernising the t90s .but ordering just 118 tanks is gonna become a massive liablity for us .
 

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The fund can be spent on modernising the t90s .but ordering just 118 tanks is gonna become a massive liablity for us .
That I have to agree with. It'd have been more prudent for the Army to just abandon the Arjun project altogether if they were not confident in the design and therefore unwilling to place a large enough order for the ordnance factory to break even.
 

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But the question is - does the army actually need an extra 250 of these machines?? And can the fund be better spent on something else instead??
Do they need tanks .. yes but better armoured ones and futuristic. Should stop spending on new T-90s as well. Simply upgrade what we have first.

The new DRDO concept with 2 crew members should be extensively looked into and Israel ( as Russia is sanctioned ) must be included as the cost is going to be too high for such projects on own.

UK or any other European partner can also be explored which can provide technical expertise as well.

Well, he just said that it was the DRDO that's urging the Army to consider a repeat order, which is entirely possible.
That's a given they will always urge , they are salesmen.
 

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Do they need tanks .. yes but better armoured ones and futuristic.
Yeah but we already have more than 1500 T-90S in active service which are in need of modernization. By the way, the T-90S actually has got better armor coverage than the Arjun MkIA.
Should stop spending on new T-90s as well. Simply upgrade what we have first.
That's what I said - i.e. upgrade them to MS standards.
The new DRDO concept with 2 crew members should be extensively looked into
No, absolutely not!! Three crew members are the bare minimum.
and Israel ( as Russia is sanctioned ) must be included as the cost is going to be too high for such projects on own. UK or any other European partner can also be explored which can provide technical expertise as well.
Better would be to collaborate with France or South Korea because they have actual experience in designing and building autoloader-equipped tanks.
 

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Yeah but we already have more than 1500 T-90S in active service which are in need of modernization. By the way, the T-90S actually has got better armor coverage than the Arjun MkIA.

That's what I said - i.e. upgrade them to MS standards.

No, absolutely not!! Three crew members are the bare minimum.

Better would be to collaborate with France or South Korea because they have actual experience in designing and building autoloader-equipped tanks.
T-90s isn't better armoured than Arjun.... It is nicknamed Tin can for a reason. It is discussed extensively here.

Also 3 members aren't bare minimum new tech will remove the need for more crew that's what they need to explore.

Even Auto/remote control tanks or even one crew can be explored in future depending on technology advancement.

Rest is fine..
 

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T-90s isn't better armoured than Arjun.... It is nicknamed Tin can for a reason.
Here we go again. So you are one of 'those' guys, I should have known. Dude, Arjun is a fucking embarrassment on caterpillar tracks!! it belongs in a fucking museum as an example of what an utter failure looks like and to serve as an example of how not to design a tank, if we can even call it that.
It is discussed extensively here.
By whom exactly - a bunch of ignorant 13-year-olds who have never come within even a hundred km of a tank?? Gimme a break.

Nope 3 members aren't bare minimum new tech will remove the need for more crew that's what they need to explore.

Rest is fine..
Yeah, right, go tell that to all the major tank-manufacturing nations with half a century worth of experience under their respective belts.
 

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Here we go again. So you are one of 'those' guys, I should have known. Dude, Arjun is a fucking embarrassment on caterpillar tracks!! it belongs in a fucking museum as an example of what an utter failure looks like and to serve as an example of how not to design a tank, if we can even call it that.

By whom exactly - a bunch of ignorant 13-year-olds who have never come within even a hundred km of a tank?? Gimme a break.


Yeah, right, go tell that to all the major tank-manufacturing nations with half a century worth of experience under their respective belts.
Read about 2 crew Israeli Carmel Tank Project before jumping up and down.

There was a time when there used to be 2-3 people throwing bombs and firing guns from a fighter jet with pilot. But then time changed. That's what is happening with tanks too .

65+ Ton Arjun is lightly Armoured in comparison to T-90s... Well you need that break ..

Arjun is plagued by various issues and that can be not properly armoured everywhere and have weak spots where it can be targeted to maintenance and parts issue.

T-90s can be upgraded and made better for sure due to scope of improvement and still weighing 20+ T less but that's it.

You can upgrade them but right now they are tin cans, if we didn't had them in numbers Arjun would have been better choice with improvement.
 

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Read about 2 crew Israeli Carmel Tank Project before jumping up and down.
If anyone's been jumping up and down is none other than your sorry self.
There was a time when there used to be 2-3 people throwing bombs and firing guns from a fighter jet with pilot. But then time changed. That's what is happening with tanks too .
Great. Now as I said before, go spread your newfound wisdom to the Americans, the Germans, the French, and the Russians.
65+ Ton Arjun is lightly Armoured in comparison to T-90s... Well you need that break ..
A 60-ton Abrams has got more armor than the projected 120-ton E-100. Screw that, a 37-ton T-62 had better armor than a ~54-ton Centurion Mk9!! So fucking what?? It all boils down to design compromises. It simply goes to show how poor and fucking inefficient the design of the Arjun is.




You can upgrade them but right now they are tin cans, if we didn't had them in numbers Arjun would have been better choice with improvement.
Nope, the base-level T-90S is still better than the MkIA and it will remain as such unless the entire Arjun tank is redesigned, at which point, it will no longer remain the Arjun!!
 

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If anyone's been jumping up and down is none other than your sorry self.

Great. Now as I said before, go spread your newfound wisdom to the Americans, the Germans, the French, and the Russians.

A 60-ton Abrams has got more armor than the projected 120-ton E-100. Screw that, a 37-ton T-62 had better armor than a ~54-ton Centurion Mk9!! So fucking what?? It all boils down to design compromises. It simply goes to show how poor and fucking inefficient the design of the Arjun is.





Nope, the base-level T-90S is still better than the MkIA and it will remain as such unless the entire Arjun tank is redesigned, at which point, it will no longer remain the Arjun!!
There is no new found wisdom... it has happened before and is happening now. Conveniently.... You ignored Carmel Tank :)

Instead of just reading to reply... Start reading to understand.

Rest all is junk you can continue to feed on.
 

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There is no new found wisdom... it has happened before and is happening now. Conveniently.... You ignored Carmel Tank :)
And what makes you believe that I haven't come across that project already?? Anyway, the Carmel is not even designated as a tank, it's just an AFV concept. It has got some novel design ideas but the 2 man crew part is not one of those.
And you conveniently ignored everything else I said, so consider us even.
Instead of just reading to reply... Start reading to understand.
There is nothing to understand, nothing new at least.
Rest all is junk you can continue to feed on.
Wow!!
 

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And what makes you believe that I haven't come across that project already?? Anyway, the Carmel is not even designated as a tank, it's just an AFV concept. It has got some novel design ideas but the 2 man crew part is not one of those.
Then why Carmel called a tank/street-fighting tank ?? and yes its a AFV, with mbt like armour ??
What about unit price of SK & French tanks ?? JV costs ?? How good is Japanese tank ?
FMBT- What are you[or others] suggesting - entirely a new tank or a tank developed from existing one with future tech like abrams x/altay?
 

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