Arjun Main Battle Tank (MBT)

[Dejawolf]

And as per your freaking ruler the shoe must measure 40 cm,

as per my freaking ruler what? obvious liar, and i'm surprised you haven't gotten banned just for spewing out so much bile.
i guess the mods thinks it's just too entertaining to see you make an utter fool of yourself.

 

[Dejawolf]

There is clearly more than 550 mm width available on the turret top besides both the crew hatch which measures 550 mm,

That's why our pixel measurement gurus wont touch this photo with a barge pole,

as it will clearly demonstrate there is enough space for composite armor besides the crew hatch in turret design,

How much of it is occupied by the armor must have been classified.

Close to six times width of crew hatch (550 mm) is clearly visible as the turret top width from this straight on photo,

That's why our pixel gurus are carefully negotiating around this photo, and not producing any pixel magic on it,

Like a higher ground pressure T-90 negotiating away from the swamps they will avoid measuring this photo,

But they will use this photo to measure face widths (that too chinese face width)

So much for their professionalism.

48cm+48cm = 96
386-96 = 290cm

convinced?
no? thought not. spew some more bile out won't you.

 

[ersakthivel]

The foot is tilted .Still as per your ruler it measures close to 300 mm. Once it is straightened it should measure more than 450 mm as per your ruler, which is simply impossible.


And another laughable error as per your measuring techniques is measuring distances of 18 cm, 18 cm, 16 cm in a plane perpendicular to the viewer, Whereas in reality these distances should be marked on inclined plane which will show the true length.

just look at the angle between the spurs that hold the side skirt to the tank and the red line you used for measurement.
it shows what kind of dummy you are when it comes to technical drawings and dimensions.

Just take a good look at the spur that holds the side skirt on which you drew a stepped red line to mark the 18 cm width. If you mark another length of the spur on the same angle the spur presents to the camera you will reach the turret side.


it falls exactly on the vertical red line you drew to separate the 18 cm and 16 cm width.

So 2x18 cms =360 mms is the space that is available on the hull besides the turret.So again turret width comes to 3.1 meters

as per my freaking ruler what? obvious liar, and i'm surprised you haven't gotten banned just for spewing out so much bile.
i guess the mods thinks it's just too entertaining to see you make an utter fool of yourself.

If your ruler scales 2cm for 16 cm width,

AS per your measurement technique each hand of the man standing on the tank should measure 90 mm across, Is that possible?

Because width of both the hands put together equals the 18 cm space you marked on the side skirts,

In reality each hand measures just 6 cm across, So both the hands put together measures only 12 cm.

You have marked the same two hand width (in the photo) onside skirts as 18 cm , more than 30 percent error.

That's why I repeatedly say your scaling techinque needs to be taken with a bucket of salt.

SO if we correct this error each of the three sections you marked as measuring the length of 18 cms, 18 cm , 16 cms will measure just 12 cm each.

So 12x3=36 cm.

For both the sides 36x2=720 mm.

hull width 3860 mm-720mm=3140 mm. Correct turret width,

This is what happens when you repeatedly try to deny the reality with blinkered vision.


Please place the same ruler on the partial side skirt whose width you marked as 18 cm,

And lets see who is spewing out venom and bile,

And who needs to be banned,

 

[ersakthivel]

48cm+48cm = 96
386-96 = 290cm

See you are porting the crew man who is standing 2.6 meters deep in the photo to the front.
That means his width must be reduced by at least by 20 percent.

If you have any doubt please measure the face width of the driver and the crew man and notice the 20 percent reduction.

So if you reduce your 96 mm by 20 percent , it comes to 76 cm

So 386-76=310 cm i.e 3100 mm same

convinced?
no? thought not. spew some more bile out won't you.

What is a circus tent doing here, just a simple across the turret measurement on the hands of the crew man shows that turret is 5.6 times wider than the crew hatch,

it gives a ratio of 5.6 for [B]turret width/ crew hatch width[/B] the width of the crew hatch,

i.e 550x5.6=3080 mm,

No fancy rulers, no perspective factoring, just a bang on straight line measurement that can be checked by any body.

Same as my above post.

Still you don't see that/ Astonishing!!!!!!!!!!

Also the ratio of he length between the two edges of crew hatch /crew hatch width is 3.4.

So the distance is 3.4x550mm=1870 mm.

So 3100 mm is the width of the turret,

3100-1780=1230 mm/2=615 mm is the distance between the crew hatch edge and outer turret wall on one side available for armor cavity,

On the other side also another 615 mm is the distance between the crew hatch edge and outer turret wall on one side available for armor cavity,

I take this as my final confirmation of turret width as 3100 mm and I am closing the debate from my side on this matter,

This debate is like two foot ball teams , looking for a draw,

dribbling the foot ball endlessly till the the final whistle is blown,

and the spectators one by one start to leave for the carpark.

Atleast in the closed ADA TEJAS -III thread I had many different views to post on.

Here I am stuck forever on this turret width like a traffic jam ,

So time to finish it as far as I am concerned. I no more want to be part of it,

 

[Dejawolf]

If your ruler scales 2cm for 16 cm width,

AS per your measurement technique each hand of the man standing on the tank should measure 90 mm across, Is that possible?

hold on, lemme check:

yup.

In reality each hand measures just 6 cm across

- if you're a midget...

 

[ersakthivel]

hold on, lemme check:

yup.

- if you're a midget...

Even my palm measures 9 cm and wrists 6 cm,So it is not such a great discovery I suppose, don't waste your time.

I said the wrist in case you feign to misread my post, where is the palm on the photo posted by you?

Ajaishukla's wrist watch measures just 7 mm across and your 18 cm measurement on side skirt area measures just 15 mm across.

So your 18 cm measurement holds only two wrist (tied on hand)watch lengths,

even if we leave out perspective correction factor which will ground your measuring ideas to dust.

So 2x60mm=120 mm only.
In the photo you marked it as 180 mm overstating the length to suit your hackneyed measuring ideas, like putting a circus tent.

if we take AJAi SHUKLA's palm for 9 cm then your 18 cm measurement on side skirts on a place much nearer to camera still measures just 1.5 times his palm size his palm size.So wrong anyway.

So once again you are misrepresenting your measurements by 30 percent.

So stop the bullshit about who is a midget and who is a big foot..And give me a break.

Won't you ever stop?

 

[Dejawolf]

What is a circus tent doing here, just a simple across the turret measurement on the hands of the crew man shows that turret is 5.6 times wider than the crew hatch,

it gives a ratio of 5.6 for [B]turret width/ crew hatch width[/B] the width of the crew hatch,

i.e 550x5.6=3080 mm,

No fancy rulers, no perspective factoring, just a bang on straight line measurement that can be checked by any body.

Same as my above post.

Still you don't see that/ Astonishing!!!!!!!!!!

this might be too much for your tiny little brain, but the "circus tent" is to factor in the perspective distortion.

the green line is at the position of the TC hatch, the blue line at the start of the wedge. as you can see the distance between the green line is not as wide as the distance between the blue line.
notice also how the front turret seems to have no perspective distortion, this is an illusion that you managed to get fooled by, despite . looking at the hull, it's clear that there's a fairly significant perspective distortion.

 

[ersakthivel]

this might be too much for your tiny little brain, but the "circus tent" is to factor in the perspective distortion.

the green line is at the position of the TC hatch, the blue line at the start of the wedge. as you can see the distance between the green line is not as wide as the distance between the blue line.
notice also how the front turret seems to have no perspective distortion, this is an illusion that you managed to get fooled by, despite . looking at the hull, it's clear that there's a fairly significant perspective distortion.

man perspective distortion was there from the days man opened his eyes and saw the world, well before 3D models on computer was born,

So none of the above has any implication for the 20 percent reduction from 96 cm to 76 cm I stated simply by measuring the face width of the crew man and the driver,

So don't post irrelevant stuff.

 

[Dejawolf]

Even my palm measures 9 cm and wrists 6 cm,So it is not such a great discovery I suppose, don't waste your time.

I said the wrist in case you feign to misread my post, where is the palm on the photo posted by you?

you did?
quote: AS per your measurement technique each hand of the man standing on the tank should measure 90 mm across, Is that possible?
btw:

Won't you ever stop?

no.

 

[ersakthivel]

you did?
quote: AS per your measurement technique each hand of the man standing on the tank should measure 90 mm across, Is that possible?
btw:

no.

The tape bends and gives excess measurements. if you want to compare it to photo you must use scale.
place the scale in place of the tape and you will get 6 cm if you care to place it rightly.because in photograph the wrist is measured by scale.

 

[Dejawolf]

man perspective distortion was there from the days man opened his eyes and saw the world, well before 3D models on computer was born,

So none of the above has any implication for the 20 percent reduction from 96 cm to 76 cm I stated simply by measuring the face width of the crew man and the driver,

So don't post irrelevant stuff.

oh it has everything to do with your insufferable bile.

let me demonstrate:

picture 1: ooh hey i'm ershaktivel, and i don't know a thing about perspective, so i'm just going to measure the turret at the start of the front turret slope hnyah.
ratio between hatch and turret is 5.6! so that fits with my magic fantasy number of 310cm! they've shown previously in 5 pictures that the turret is 386cm, but they've yet to conclusively show it in this picture, so i must be right!
take that dejawolf, militarista and damian!
picture 2: meanwhile, the brown rectangle shows the actual width at the position of the TC's hatch.

 

[Dejawolf]

The tape bends and gives excess measurements. if you want to compare it to photo you must use scale.
place the scale in place of the tape and you will get 6 cm if you care to place it rightly.because in photograph the wrist is measured by scale.

7.5cm with caliper.

 

[STGN]

 

[Dejawolf]

according to this line drawing, the arjun turret sides are not 90 degrees, but slightly angled.
so over the rear the stowage boxes on the turret should be ~290cm.
and the latches on the stowage boxes can confuse the measurements a bit.
i measured the width from storage box to storage box, minus latches, and it ended up at 668 pixels
the TC hatch measure is very sensitive to wrong measures, 5 pixels makes the difference between
305 and 293 cm.
most likely perspective will account for these 5 pixels.

 

[ersakthivel]

oh it has everything to do with your insufferable bile.

let me demonstrate:

picture 1: ooh hey i'm ershaktivel, and i don't know a thing about perspective, so i'm just going to measure the turret at the start of the front turret slope hnyah.
ratio between hatch and turret is 5.6! so that fits with my magic fantasy number of 310cm! they've shown previously in 5 pictures that the turret is 386cm, but they've yet to conclusively show it in this picture, so i must be right!
take that dejawolf, militarista and damian!
picture 2: meanwhile, the brown rectangle shows the actual width at the position of the TC's hatch.

This measurement needs no 3D models , It can be easily done on the photo itself.

Even without your path breaking illustrations every one knows it is 3.1 meter for turret width,

And thanks for letting me off.

You can keep the brown rectangle with 2.86 measurements and I will keep the 3.1 meter measurement.

 

[ersakthivel]

according to this line drawing, the arjun turret sides are not 90 degrees, but slightly angled.
so over the rear the stowage boxes on the turret should be ~290cm.
and the latches on the stowage boxes can confuse the measurements a bit.
i measured the width from storage box to storage box, minus latches, and it ended up at 668 pixels
the TC hatch measure is very sensitive to wrong measures, 5 pixels makes the difference between
305 and 293 cm.
most likely perspective will account for these 5 pixels.

that is a schema , not line drawing or engineering drawing meant to demonstrate dimensions.

because engineering drawings are aleays marked with dimensions and scales and nameplates.

Photos will always give a very different measurement,

because the drawing you used is not the engineering drawing of ARJUN with proper dimensions and proportions.

 

[STGN]

This measurement needs no 3D models , It can be easily done on the photo itself.

Even without your path breaking illustrations every one knows it is 3.1 meter for turret width,

And thanks for letting me off.

You can keep the brown rectangle with 2.86 measurements and I will keep the 3.1 meter measurement.

Can you please make a drawing of what you think the turret looks like from the top it doesn't have to be accurate just general idea. I want to know because I think we are arguing about two different things.
STGN

 

[Dejawolf]

Can you please make a drawing of what you think the turret looks like from the top it doesn't have to be accurate just general idea. I want to know because I think we are arguing about two different things.
STGN

Ershaktivels argument is simple. he says the turret is 3.1m wide over the crew area so he can make a baseless claim about the turret sides being 500mm thick.
when in reality they are at the most 60-80mm steel + 270mm of stowage box.

 

[Dejawolf]

that is a schema , not line drawing or engineering drawing meant to demonstrate dimensions.

because engineering drawings are aleays marked with dimensions and scales and nameplates.

Photos will always give a very different measurement,

because the drawing you used is not the engineering drawing of ARJUN with proper dimensions and proportions.

it's not the engineering drawing, but it fits remarkably well with the assembly drawing, which fits remarkably well with the dimensions of the real vehicle. this picture here clearly demonstrates how thin the side hull walls are:

 

[STGN]

Ershaktivels argument is simple. he says the turret is 3.1m wide over the crew area so he can make a baseless claim about the turret sides being 500mm thick.
when in reality they are at the most 60-80mm steel + 270mm of stowage box.

Well I am confused, I have heard everything from 2.9-3.3 from him which numbers fit where? and is it only turret base structure or including storage boxes?
STGN