Arjun Main Battle Tank (MBT)

[ersakthivel]

revised with new knowledge.
18+18+16 = 52
52*2 = 104
386-104 = 282cm

if you have any commonsense, you should have known that the shoe worn by the man itself is about 20 cms in length,

Then how come the 18 cm measurement cover a dimension that is quarter of a shoe length that too on the very same measuring plane?

Ofcourse these questions are to be asked to rational guys, not some one like you,

If we accept your blunders called measurement the shoe must measure 72 cms in length, both the men must be himalayan bigfoots to justify your measurement,

And as per your freaking ruler the shoe must measure 40 cm,

HA HA Ha , a very nice one.....!!!!!!!!!

Two different measurement for the shoe from one picture............

What a glorious way to produce dimensions on drawings and photographs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sure Now i am going to be a new convert to Damian's school of thought that you never believe whatever you see on the net,

or you are trying to make a fool of the motely group of fake tank experts you are supporting your measurement here,

What is the truth?

My quiet advice don't try too hard.you work too hard and end up proving my point of view,

there is no more than 2 shoe lengths on the hull besides the turret. So no more than 350 mm is my estimate,

So it again proves a turret width of 3 plus meters only.



ha ha ha ha,

What is the bud head scale doing there?

Measuring the distance for 16 cm ,

while 18 cm is quarter of the length occupied by 16 cm,

So your scale measures 18 cm on 0.5 cm and 16 cm on 2cms width.

Must be a magical scale indeed.

No wonder your fake tank expert friends rely on this magic scale to bail them out of their stupid comments

 

[militarysta]

Indeed it looks like Kontakt-1 but not all can be considered by appearence.

Here;

 

[ersakthivel]

Here;

why don't you explain the dimensions made by DEJAWOLF in post no-4384,

You can have a jolly good time.

 

[STGN]

if you have any commonsense, you should have known that the shoe worn by the man itself is about 20 cms in length,

Then how come the 18 cm measurement cover a dimension that is quarter of a shoe length that too on the very same measuring plane?

Ofcourse these questions are to be asked to rational guys, not some one like you,

If we accept your blunders called measurement the shoe must measure 72 cms in length, both the men must be himalayan bigfoots to justify your measurement,

And as per your freaking ruler the shoe must measure 40 cm,

HA HA Ha , a very nice one.....!!!!!!!!!

Two different measurement for the shoe from one picture............

What a glorious way to produce dimensions on drawings and photographs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sure Now i am going to be a new convert to Damian's school of thought that you never believe whatever you see on the net,

or you are trying to make a fool of the motely group of fake tank experts you are supporting your measurement here,

What is the truth?

My quiet advice don't try too hard.you work too hard and end up proving my point of view,

there is no more than 2 shoe lengths on the hull besides the turret. So no more than 350 mm is my estimate,

So it again proves a turret width of 3 plus meters only.

Ersakthivel how long are your feet? Mine are going towards bigfoot, my feet are ~29cm and my shoes are ~32cm, army boots ~33cm. I hear the avarge indian male foot size is 20cm so boots are probable, at least 23-4cm long now using that number on the guy in the green pants right foot gives us a width of the redline going over the foot is ~76 long if we stop and the edge for the driver compartment. an what is that distance in reallife? its 76cm. now if we draw perspective lines to the lines dejawolf draw we see they might be a couple of cm too wide, my own estimate for armor skirt width is 16.5 cm which I see on both by the technical drawing and this photo:

But there is no justification for your outlandish claims of 72cm, 40cm or it only being two shoe wide its more than 3 shoes wide.
So again you make complete BS claim.
STGN

 

[militarysta]

why don't you explain the dimensions made by DEJAWOLF in post no-4384,

You can have a jolly good time.

Check those shoes lenght and Dejawolf red lines...he have right. In fact black solders shoes will be have circa ~23cm on photo, what is possible. Just chec this...
I have rather small feet and have german military BW shoes in german 255 (255mm feet lenght). Anyway -just chec it.

 

[ersakthivel]

Ersakthivel how long are your feet? Mine are going towards bigfoot, my feet are ~29cm and my shoes are ~32cm, army boots ~33cm. I hear the avarge indian male foot size is 20cm so boots are probable, at least 23-4cm long now using that number on the guy in the green pants right foot gives us a width of the redline going over the foot is ~76 long if we stop and the edge for the driver compartment. an what is that distance in reallife? its 76cm. now if we draw perspective lines to the lines dejawolf draw we see they might be a couple of cm too wide, my own estimate for armor skirt width is 16.5 cm which I see on both by the technical drawing and this photo:

But there is no justification for your outlandish claims of 72cm, 40cm or it only being two shoe wide its more than 3 shoes wide.
So again you make complete BS claim.
STGN

I am just blown over.

Are you and DEJAWOLF one and the same guy? Why are you both replying to posts alternatively addressed to the other guy?

A justification for this!!!!!!!!

SO 18 cms measures 1/4 th of the distance measured by 16 cms that too on the same measuring plane!!!!!!!!

Why don't you put the 550 mm hatch cover width on the photo and arrive at the turret width ,

You are the one who posted the below first,

There seems to be minimum perspective distortion on the turret top plane as it must have been very close to camera position,So possibility of errors are very remote.

 

[ersakthivel]

Check those shoes lenght and Dejawolf red lines...he have right. In fact black solders shoes will be have circa ~23cm on photo, what is possible. Just chec this...
I have rather small feet and have german military BW shoes in german 255 (255mm feet lenght). Anyway -just chec it.

So you always follow DEJAWOLf's red lines and green lines, no matter how stupid they are,So it confirms you don't know anything about drawing or dimensions,
Then how come you become a tank pro?

What is your field of speciality?

Because armor, ballistics, tank design are all related to mechanical and production eng fields,

Without knowing any thing about some simple dimensions from drawing that is so wrongly laid out here, how can you become a tank expert?

In which world 18 cms measure 1/4 th of the length covered by 16 cms scale?

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

This is because you are poorly educated person that do not know most of languages in which such informations are written, besides english you should know at leats slightly russian, there is also a lot of informations in my native language.

And above you have Militarysta post, where he explains a lot using reliable sources, as you can see one of them is not in english, although it is based on official goverment documents from British archieves. What documents were used is provided in source he use, so you can try to search them in British archieves.

you yourself are a poorly educated person and your english grammer is very very poor as seen from your post.maybe you think polish language is a global language and everyone should learn it but we in india don't think that.anyways the information about sagger wire guided atgm can be found on wikipaedia and we do not need to search any miliatary archives(9K11 Malyutka - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). regarding type 99g mbt which claims to be a much superior tank(http://www.thefewgoodmen.com/thefgmforum/threads/china-new-tank-is-a-m-1-killer.9427/) when we take this chinese claims with a pinch of salt we should also do the same with western mbt's whose biggest acheivement till date is to defeat the t-72 which was a 70s tank and some rpg's of 60's fired by iraqi and talibani insurgents.i have read some american and british documents which states that the rpg-29 cannot penetrate the main and side armour of m1 abrams and challenger2 but the russian are marketing their rpg29 and 30 in various defence shows in south asia and middle east (like our very own defenceexpo ) citing it's armour penetration performances against frontal,side tank armour's of nato mbt's in iraq,and even in lebanon against merkava4.

 

[ersakthivel]

There is clearly more than 550 mm width available on the turret top besides both the crew hatch which measures 550 mm,

That's why our pixel measurement gurus wont touch this photo with a barge pole,

as it will clearly demonstrate there is enough space for composite armor besides the crew hatch in turret design,

How much of it is occupied by the armor must have been classified.

Close to six times width of crew hatch (550 mm) is clearly visible as the turret top width from this straight on photo,

That's why our pixel gurus are carefully negotiating around this photo, and not producing any pixel magic on it,

Like a higher ground pressure T-90 negotiating away from the swamps they will avoid measuring this photo,

But they will use this photo to measure face widths (that too chinese face width)

So much for their professionalism.

 

[Damian]

you yourself are a poorly educated person and your english grammer is very very poor as seen from your post.

Contrary to you, I actually know, that when I start to write text, I use big letter. When I stop writing sentence after "." I place space. So perhaps you should learn to write.

maybe you think polish language is a global language and everyone should learn it but we in india don't think that.

Of course it is not a global language. But different credible sources are written in different languages, anyone who claims that have desire for knowledge and have higher intelectual capabilities, should at least try to learn different languages. For example I for my own started to learn russian simply because there is plenty of souces written in this language, if so, and I want to improve my knowledge, I started to learn, my russian is not perfect, I still need the help of translator, but contrary to you I at least try.

anyways the information about sagger wire guided atgm can be found on wikipaedia and we do not need to search any miliatary archives(9K11 Malyutka - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia).

Wikipedia is a poor source, because any avarage Sasha, John, Kamil or Abdul can edit it with anything he wants to write.

You see, this only prooves how poorly educated you are, because for you Wikipedia (hell you are not capable to even properly write it) is credible source, for someone who studied history on university and was teached what can be considered as source and what can't be, Wikipedia is not a source at all. On excersises on university where I studied, for using Wikipedia you would be kicked out behind a door with a big chance that professors would decide to kich you out from university for being so stupid that you use Wikipedia as a source.

regarding type 99g mbt which claims to be a much superior tank(http://www.thefewgoodmen.com/thefgmf...ler.9427/).now when we take this chinese claims with a pinch of salt we should also do the same with western mbt's whose biggest acheivement till date is to defeat the t-72 which was a 70s tank and some rpg's of 60's fired by some insurgents.

This forum is just silly. As for achievements of western tanks, there are not only these real life achievements, which are not small, these tanks confronted also modern weapon systems, also in friendly fire accidents, and many times survived a hit from AGM-114 or modern western APFSDS. As for RPG's, even RPG from 1960's is dangerous, and there were many incidents with more modern and dangerous RPG's like RPG-29, in case of M1 series, this test had been accomplished better than anyone anticipated, as M1 was completely immune over it's frontal arc, and side shots cause minimal damage due to vehicle design.

Challenger 2 was a bit less successfull here.

And there are also national tests, where our poduct must withstand hits from own ammunition for example, here is also difference.

And now tell me, what real life experience you have with Arjun? None, so perhaps stop being cocky fanboy and start to think.

 

[militarysta]

In which world 18 cms measure 1/4 th of the length covered by 16 cms scale?

You just dont understand...check taht damm shuoes lenght...





Soilders shoe is circa 75px long.
In Dejawolf scale 50px ia equal 18cm
In teory (whit some margin of error) shoe lenght is 27cm what is full possible.
So what is Your problem whit shoeas on photo? Can You explain?

And until edge of the tank skirts we have "2x shoe lenght distance" so 27cmx2 = 54cm.
When we take offcial DRDO Arjun width - DRDO width - 3864mm and minus 540mm (left side) and next 540mm (right side) we have 2784mm (2,78m) turret width. Of course there is some error so IMHO turret width is circa 2,84m width.

Where is in your opinnion the mistake?

 

[STGN]

I am just blown over.

Are you and DEJAWOLF one and the same guy? Why are you both replying to posts alternatively addressed to the other guy?

A justification for this!!!!!!!!

SO 18 cms measures 1/4 th of the distance measured by 16 cms that too on the same measuring plane!!!!!!!!

Why don't you put the 550 mm hatch cover width on the photo and arrive at the turret width ,

You are the one who posted the below first,

There seems to be minimum perspective distortion on the turret top plane as it must have been very close to camera position,So possibility of errors are very remote.

Oh you mean like you and skj? Drawing engineers in crime.

Because your arguments are so easy to pull apart I just can't stand by waiting for Dejawolf to reply.

I don't know what it is your asking but it doesn't sound too bright.
STGN

 

[ersakthivel]

You just dont understand...check taht damm shuoes lenght...





Soilders shoe is circa 75px long.
In Dejawolf scale 50px ia equal 18cm
In teory (whit some margin of error) shoe lenght is 27cm what is full possible.
So what is Your problem whit shoeas on photo? Can You explain?

And until edge of the tank skirts we have "2x shoe lenght distance" so 27cmx2 = 54cm.
When we take offcial DRDO Arjun width - DRDO width - 3864mm and minus 540mm (left side) and next 540mm (right side) we have 2784mm (2,78m) turret width. Of course there is some error so IMHO turret width is circa 2,84m width.

Where is in your opinnion the mistake?

The 18 cm marked on the side skirt on the front is just 1/4 th the length of the shoe!!!!!!!!

if we go by that then it means the shoe is 720 mm wide!!!!!!!!!!

Your inability to understand english is keeping you away from noticing this blunder.

I just can't believe you guys are unable to notice such a blunder!!!!!!!

 

[ersakthivel]

Oh you mean like you and skj? Drawing engineers in crime.

Because your arguments are so easy to pull apart I just can't stand by waiting for Dejawolf to reply.

You can stand by forever,
DEJAWOLF won't be around any time soon,
He will pull back all the pictures of AJAI shukla standing on the tank ,
on which he made his revolutionary revealation of a human shoe measuring 720 mm in width.
before posting here again,

I don't know what it is your asking but it doesn't sound too bright.
STGN

There is clearly more than 550 mm width available on the turret top besides both the crew hatch which measures 550 mm,

That's why our pixel measurement gurus wont touch this photo with a barge pole,

as it will clearly demonstrate there is enough space for composite armor besides the crew hatch in turret design,

How much of it is occupied by the armor must have been classified.

Close to six times width of crew hatch (550 mm) is clearly visible as the turret top width from this straight on photo,

That's why our pixel gurus are carefully negotiating around this photo, and not producing any pixel magic on it,

Like a higher ground pressure T-90 negotiating away from the swamps they will avoid measuring this photo,

But they will use this photo to measure face widths (that too chinese face width)

So much for their professionalism.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

@Damian
Well this is not a formal conversation so we can use a language which is understandable.Yes wikipedia is a poor source but so are you.as compared as undeducated people like you wikipedia is a million times better source.As far as education goes i am a master's in engineering and doing my phd but you i think have not even passed class 12.

 

[Damian]

@Damian
Well this is not a formal conversation so we can use a language which is understandable.Yes wikipedia is a poor source but so are you.as compared as undeducated people like you wikipedia is a million times better source.As far as education goes i am a master's in engineering and doing my phd but you i think have not even passed class 12.

What I say can be easy verified in proper sources, for example titles of books I posted on this forum plenty of times.

As for your education, you writing style does not supports your claims. I can also claim that I am president o the Costa Rica, and this is as credible as your own claims.

 

[STGN]

There is clearly more than 550 mm width available on the turret top besides both the crew hatch which measures 550 mm,

That's why our pixel measurement gurus wont touch this photo with a barge pole,

as it will clearly demonstrate there is enough space for composite armor besides the crew hatch in turret design,

How much of it is occupied by the armor must have been classified.

Close to six times width of crew hatch (550 mm) is clearly visible as the turret top width from this straight on photo,

That's why our pixel gurus are carefully negotiating around this photo, and not producing any pixel magic on it,

Like a higher ground pressure T-90 negotiating away from the swamps they will avoid measuring this photo,

But they will use this photo to measure face widths (that too chinese face width)

So much for their professionalism.

The alternative world you live in is so strange. How is this for avoiding the photo:

Revised the earlier measurements

The problem with your argument is that we are looking at the turret from the front and we can not see the storage boxes well enough. Remember that the front is sloped downwards while the storage box's top are level to the ground so its impossible to judge where to do the width. and actually doing the measurement over the widest furthest back point we can see you only get ~3m over the storage boxes.

STGN

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

@Damian
As far english grammar goes you's is very poor.But i don't blame you since you come from a non english background.but as far as i the information that i posted is very easily available from internet(even a simple google search will do) and no one needs to dig up miliatry archives.Also you can claim to be the president of Costa Rica and even POLAND but it would reflect your mental condition and i would recommend an immediate thourough mental checkup in a reputed polish mental hostipal.

 

[militarysta]

The 18 cm marked on the side skirt on the front is just 1/4 th the length of the shoe!!!!!!!!

if we go by that then it means the shoe is 720 mm wide!!!!!!!!!!

!

My dear friend - it's not... In Dejawolf picture 18cm is equal to 50px. Shoe is circa 75px lenght. All is Ok and consit..
You just take only one part of the side skirts as whole 18cm lenght while 18cm -50px.
As I said -cerfully onec again chceck whole photo. IMHO all is correct

 

[Damian]

@Damian
As far english grammar goes you's is very poor.But i don't blame you since you come from a non english background.but as far as i the information that i posted is very easily available from internet(even a simple google search will do) and no one needs to dig up miliatry archives.Also you can claim to be the president of Costa Rica and even POLAND but it would reflect your mental condition and i would recommend an immediate thourough mental checkup in a reputed polish mental hostipal.

Hoho, better look at how you are writing, as for my mental condition, it is far better than yours