Arjun Main Battle Tank (MBT)

[Dejawolf]

Anyway it is good that you are cured of pixel measurement disease.

yes, i realized you were too stupid to understand it, so i found a much simpler method to show everyone what an imbecile you are..

 

[militarysta]

See, the first storage box was converted to armor modules long time ago,

Where? There is no single photo whit storage box replaced by armour module - and definetly not in photos posted by my yesterday.

and after the TC hatch , the inner turret wall curves in,

Of course not. There is no "curves".

to create cavity it has already been shown with photo proofs here.
for which quite evidently you did not bother to reply.

There is no "cavity" on photos. Maybye on your dream. Only one aditional protection is smth lookin like next RHA plate placed between storage box and turret side:

So it's next ~60mm RAH after turret side whit simmilar thickness.

So you found out nothing.

Of course I found:
a) better Arjun ammo rack photo
b) possible (or not) turret autoloader? (im not very sure but those on photo looks strange)
c) there is no armour module on photo for turret sides, only aditional protection is circa ~60mm thick plate placed between storage boxes and turret side -but there is no "cavity" it's only in your wet dream...

 

[ersakthivel]

the only liar here is you:

also:

so don't accuse me of misleading anyone here.

It is quite a laughable attempt which exposes you more, because the rectangle was developed from the line across the hatch,

if you have had any formal education in drawing you would have known the meaning of the word developed ,

Since your primary idea is to enlarge the images to your fancy and place scales ,and argue forever,

it is quite evident what your intention is,

 

[ersakthivel]

Where? There is no single photo whit storage box replaced by armour module - and definetly not in photos posted by my yesterday.


Of course not. There is no "curves".


There is no "cavity" on photos. Maybye on your dream. Only one aditional protection is smth lookin like next RHA plate placed between storage box and turret side:

So it's next ~60mm RAH after turret side whit simmilar thickness.


Of course I found:
a) better Arjun ammo rack photo
b) possible (or not) turret autoloader? (im not very sure but those on photo looks strange)
c) there is no armour module on photo for turret sides, only aditional protection is circa ~60mm thick plate placed between storage boxes and turret side -but there is no "cavity" it's only in your wet dream...

Do you agree with the measurements in this photo or not?

Please post your deep technical thoughts on the matter,

This is the actual production model which amply illustrates the width of the turret and availability of space on turret sides for composite armor because of the space meant for first storage box being replaced by armor as there are no padlocks on it.
Padlocks begin only after the crew hatch.

the above are the 2008 production models, notice the replacement of first storage box with armor module as the padlocks begin only after the crew hatch.

Get it into your wooden head first, and realize who is wet dreaming with the discarded tank ex model.

the above is the older discarded tank ex model type turret , notice the difference , it has already been discussed in ARJUN vs T-90 thread to death,

 

[Dejawolf]

It is quite a laughable attempt which exposes you more, because the rectangle was developed from the line across the hatch,

Since your primary idea is to enlarge the images to your fancy and place scales ,and argue forever,

it is quite evident what your intention is,

the image was enlarged in order to clearly show the numbers on the scale.
if you're even an engineer, you can't be a very successful one, what with your 15 inch monitor.
and i'm going to argue until you admit that you are wrong, and take back all the shit you've smeared around.

 

[militarysta]

Do you agree with the measurements in this photo or not?

I don't really care about that mesurment. For me it's obvious that turret have circa ~2,84m width. And until hard proof will be found those value for me is base.

width of the turret and availability of space on turret sides for composite armor.

On photo there are clearly visible storage boxes not armour modules.

On previous photos given by me there is visible those aditional plate between storage boxes and turret side. So we have:
turret side (~60mm) those plate (propably 60mm thick) + storage box.
Of course it's avaible to replace those storage boxes by armour module - why not? But I didn't found even single clear enought photo whit that module.

 

[ersakthivel]

the image was enlarged in order to clearly show the numbers on the scale.
if you're even an engineer, you can't be a very successful one, what with your 15 inch monitor.
and i'm going to argue until you admit that you are wrong, and take back all the shit you've smeared around.

I don't fool people with enlarged images with scales, I just simply take the ratio that can be checked by every one,
that's why when I pointed out three different types of measurements for the same width by you , me and STGN , you are keeping quiet.
I don't scoot unable to explain my own measurements like you do here with the following ,measurement on photo.

 

[ersakthivel]

i don't really care about that mesurment. For me it's obvious that turret have circa ~2,84m width. And until hard proof will be found those value for me is base.

a very small correction--it is not i don't really care, proper words are i don't really know and unable to admit i don't know a shit about dimensions on drawing

on photo there are clearly visible storage boxes not armour modules.

On previous photos given by me there is visible those aditional plate between storage boxes and turret side. So we have:
Turret side (~60mm) those plate (propably 60mm thick) + storage box.
Of course it's avaible to replace those storage boxes by armour module - why not? But i didn't found even single clear enought photo whit that module.

so don't talk about things you don't know or don't care.


That is the hall mark of real experts, fakes always display old discarded prototypes and can argue for ever,

it has been posted many times here and known to all other than some freaking experts,

 

[Dejawolf]

Do you agree with the measurements in this photo or not?

sure, and let me elaborate further:

36*3 = 108
386-108 = 278cm

 

[Dejawolf]

I don't fool people with enlarged images with scales, I just simply take the ratio that can be checked by every one,
that's why when I pointed out three different types of measurements for the same width by you , me and STGN , you are keeping quiet.
I don't scoot unable to explain my own measurements like you do here with the following ,measurement on photo.

i'm sure if you were able to use image editing programs you'd be trying to fool people by scaling things wrong. i don't.
you've been quiet about all of the measures i've made, so i figured i might be quiet about yours for a change.

 

[militarysta]

This is the actual production model which amply illustrates the width of the turret and availability of space on turret sides for composite armor because of the space meant for first storage box being replaced by armor as there are no padlocks on it.
Padlocks begin only after the crew hatch.]

First world armour module whit fuel/watter inser on top of it.



I known that photo but in fact we can't say that there is armour module in place first sotrage box.

 

[ersakthivel]

sure, and let me elaborate further:

36*3 = 108
386-108 = 278cm

See, i know that you have ways to explain everything with some red lines , blue lines and another set of dimensions with another set of yellow lines all on the same drawing. Any one can do that,

And put some fancy scale and post forever, But the only problem is the argument of you and your gang for them to be accepted as genuine.

 

[Dejawolf]

It is quite a laughable attempt which exposes you more, because the rectangle was developed from the line across the hatch,

put your stupid ruler on your stupid little monitor and measure it and see that the width is EXACTLY the same.

 

[Dejawolf]

See, i know that you have ways to explain everything with some red lines , blue lines and another set of dimensions with another set of yellow lines all on the same drawing. Any one can do that,
.

you can't do it, because apparently paint is too complicated a program for you to handle.

 

[Dejawolf]

See, i know that you have ways to explain everything with some red lines , blue lines and another set of dimensions with another set of yellow lines all on the same drawing. Any one can do that,

And put some fancy scale and post forever, But the only problem is the argument of you and your gang for them to be accepted as genuine.

revised with new knowledge.
18+18+16 = 52
52*2 = 104
386-104 = 282cm

 

[Dejawolf]

First world armour module whit fuel/watter inser on top of it.



I known that photo but in fact we can't say that there is armour module in place first sotrage box.

additionally:

 

[STGN]

only fools measure dimensions on sketches that are not production drawings,

and whose primary aim is to show the schematic arrangements of sub assemblies,

without even knowing whether it was an old 40 ton prototype or 50 ton tech demo vehicle or actual 60 ton production vehicle.

While super geniuses like you are unable to measure proper dimensions even on actual photographs of production models.

You know, you are real classy, I provide you a photo so you can easily follow and see where estimations come from, and you just sling shit. I thought you said you where done arguing?
Off cause you do have to deny reality to support your crazy claims. And the convenience of perspective corrected drawing makes it hard for you to just sit on the cheap side and claim that we lie, now everybody can easily measure for them self.
STGN

 

[Dejawolf]

Where? There is no single photo whit storage box replaced by armour module - and definetly not in photos posted by my yesterday.


Of course not. There is no "curves".


There is no "cavity" on photos. Maybye on your dream. Only one aditional protection is smth lookin like next RHA plate placed between storage box and turret side:

So it's next ~60mm RAH after turret side whit simmilar thickness.


Of course I found:
a) better Arjun ammo rack photo
b) possible (or not) turret autoloader? (im not very sure but those on photo looks strange)
c) there is no armour module on photo for turret sides, only aditional protection is circa ~60mm thick plate placed between storage boxes and turret side -but there is no "cavity" it's only in your wet dream...

this one is tank-ex you can identify it by the T-72 hull, but the overall dimensions of the tank-ex turret are similar to the arjun.

 

[Andrei_bt]

Very interesting film was posted here. And we have answer how big is LOS behind main sight. STGN have right, Dejawolf too -this small periscope is after armour cavity not inside. It's clearly visble on film. Apart that -some test Indian version of the Kontakt-1.
Photos:

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Indeed it looks like Kontakt-1 but not all can be considered by appearence.
Are there a link to this " bluemangofilms.com " video of Ajeya ERA?

btw: Those ERA will be not used on Arjun Mk.2 in India they are avaible mucht better solutions -like NERA pannels - there is one quite good pdf about Indian armour

It can not be said "NERA is mucht better solution" as it different from ERA, but not better.

 

[militarysta]

Indeed it looks like Kontakt-1 but not all can be considered by appearence.
Are there a link to this " bluemangofilms.com " video of Ajeya ERA?

Yes, here 30 pages ago, or o otvaga2000 when Im posted it 1h ago.

It can not be said "NERA is mucht better solution" as it different from ERA, but not better.

I have some doubts. More or less it's depend on number of the NERA layers and others. IMHO we can't see difrencess here between jet erosion on NII Stalii SLERA
photos, and German IBD NERA:

BTW: Andriej - there is draw from Indian expo when is cut viev of that Indian ERA. Its pure Kontakt-1 in layout and dimanesions.