AQ Khan: India’s missile prog was developed by Russia, Dr Kalam was an ordinary scientist

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Islamabad: At a time when the whole country is mourning the sudden demise of former president APJ Abdul Kalam, Abdul Qadeer Khan, the ‘disgraced’ Pakistani nuclear scientist, has described Dr Kalam as just an `ordinary` scientist.

“India’s missile programme was developed with the help of Russia and Dr Kalam didn’t make a big difference in developing the missiles,” Khan, the father of Pakistan's nuclear program, said in an interview to the BBC.


Khan also said that he couldn’t recall any major contribution made by Dr Kalam in the fields of satellite technology, missile technology or astro-physics.

The Pakistani atomic black marketeer also declared Kalam's appointment as President of India in 2002 as ‘undeserving’.

He claimed that the Bharatiya Janata Party had appointed Kalam as the President of India, who is also the Supreme Commander of the Indian Armed Forces, in 2002 only because he was a Muslim and the party wanted to lure Muslim voters.

Notably, during the second Pokhran test, the Defence Research and Development Organisation, then headed by Kalam, had an important role to play.

Kalam, who died on Monday evening while delivering a lecture at the Indian Institute of Management-Shillong, is remebered as an eminent scientist.

The contribution of 'missile man' APJ Abdul Kalam to the country's atomic and space programme is known worldwide.

Kalam was project director of India's first indigenous Satellite Launch Vehicle, which successfully injected the Rohini satellite in the near Earth orbit in July 1980 and made India a member of the exclusive Space Club.

In his two-decade stint in the space agency, he was responsible for the evolution of ISRO's launch vehicle programme, particularly the PSLV configuration.

He planned the programme that produced a number of successful missiles, earning him the "Missile Man" nickname.

He was responsible for the development and operationalisation of Agni and Prithvi missiles.

He played a prominent role in the country's 1998 nuclear weapons tests, Pokhran-II, which established Kalam as a national hero.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/india...nary-scientist-pakistans-aq-khan_1638174.html

AQ Khan is a thief no one is denying it but what if Dr Kalam also a thief (or it is a open secret India's missile prog.&nukes Un/Officially supported by Russia) and put Dr Kalam name on it. :rofl:
 

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His legacy will be known for history that he was put under house arrest for some reason by his own people ... even being the first and only Islamic nuclear weapon area.

He makes fun of Kalam but that chap legacy will be far differently spoken and rightly because of interactions and openness and verifications by others.
 

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The difference between good and ordinary scientist is that the good one inspires others.

Pakistanis and their painted missiles from China/N.Korea !!
 

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A. Q. Khan was secretly monitoring all missile research activities carried out by Kalam sir, from his "hidden house", where he is restricted to visit places, to where even the americans can't question him.
 

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Does his comment even needs attention? NO!!!
 

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He is speaking out of jealousy that he will not have a state funeral in case he dies!!!

Kalam never claimed the success to himself. Calling Kalam as our missile man or nuke man is just like calling the victory over Pakistan in 1971 as Manekshaw's victory over Pakistan. Kalam like Manekshaw's had a vision and converted that vision into action plan and led a team that had people with different skills and personalities to success. And his appeal to the youth and his humbleness that every other ordinary Indian can relate to, his dreams for the transformation of Indians lives...That's where Kalam's legacy is.

Some goat can try to stand up to a tiger by painting the tiger as a goat!
 

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Jis din ye :brahmos:Pak me gus jayegi na tab pata chalega ki who's ordinary. :troll::lawl::truestory:
 

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Already mentioned AQ Khan was a known thief what about Dr Kalam

Is he really a great scientist?

Is he really developed Nukes for India?

Is he really developed Indian missiles on his own without Russia help?

Read his books in school days for me he is more Sadhu than a scientist.
He did not develop nukes. Actually he was far-far away from that.

But he was on the missile program for too long and served as a head of the program as well. Modern missiles are complex tech. and no one person can build them. It was a joint effort and Kalam played his part well.

A scientist can be a sadhu!
 

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No offence guys !!!!

I suggest to the people who haven't read "wings of fire" , please do so first.

From a project management background I would say dr. Kalam was a brilliant project manager ,extremely hard working and a dedicated person . But he was no genius.

In Fact after reading "wings of fire", I came to the conclusion that "hard work" can be a substitute to "genius". I have been following this mantra for over a decade and results have been fruitful as far as I am concerned.

Young chaps who do not know what proper "project management" is, appreciated if you can refrain from replying to my post. Especially if you don't agree with my conclusion.
 

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Mods I believe this stupid thread is worth shutting down! Our friend here has just one motive that is to earn some brownie points by putting some bullshit over here. @pmaitra
 

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Sagarika Ghose on Dr. Kalam.



As usual, Indian liberals often echo the similar type of things that Pakis say. Like filth attracting flies, Pakistan holds a voodoo like irresistible attraction for our secular liberals. Then they wonder why we question their loyalty.
 

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Till 2006 or BI (Before internet) I blindly believed school text books&Media, "Nehru is Chacha &Gandi is Mahatma" they bought freedom for us. After Internet(AI) Chcha is 420 & Maha Gand* :rofl:

Russia helped missile tech. and India named it on Dr Kalam and made him an another Mahatma oops missile man may be govt want to avoid Western sanctions on Rus&Ind.For Vote&Muslim face both Con&BJP made kalam a national hero.

I know he is hardworking,enthusiastic & Sadhu type but he is an ordinary scientist nothing more.
Now you don't believe anything in the text books! Extremes are bad my friend.

If India had depended on Russia, Indian missiles would have never seen the light. It was pressure on Russia post USSR breakdown and denial of all vital military technology that India started doing its thing. Remember, cryogenic engine, Russia first agreed and then under pressure never delivered it to India. India did not get any ToT from Russia and it forced India to develop on its own. I am sure if today everyone denies to give fighter jets to India, it will probably build one pretty soon.

Coming back to Kalam, he was from a small down and rose in the ranks. Probably his last few promotions might have been based on his good Muslim image but he would have needed a lot of luck and hard work to rise through the ranks and get noticed. If he were son of some big shot, I would have understood your diatribe but in his case it is too much over-fetched.

Btw, what is a top scientist supposed to do? Not everyone discovers relativity theory!!
 

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The topic has been already discussed, may be we can merge it ? Thanks
 

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Already mentioned AQ Khan was a known thief what about Dr Kalam

Is he really a great scientist?

Is he really developed Nukes for India?

Is he really developed Indian missiles on his own without Russia help?

Read his books in school days for me he is more Sadhu than a scientist.
Like I said there was openness and interactions and verifications by others. AQ khan probably had the same but you see the much different treatment and.acknowledgement.

I believe this AQ Khan chap is trying to say look at the Indians and hindus they treat a patriotic (Muslim) individual with such warmth and love and accomdation. And we even made him senior scientist and part of important mile stones in our missile and nuke time lines and even the president and he played a significant constitutional role (in 2004 elections and beyond). A message to pakis look and ask why AQ.khan being treated like pig. Pig are dirty and not to be touched.

Also a sense that AQ khan feels he is the greatest Muslim scientist and deserves respect. His sacrifice of stealing blueprints and not being put in jail in Europe is noteworthy and part of Islamic theology. How often USA overlooked and allowed such is irrelevant. What PRC did is nonsense. North Korea are dirty.

he feels it is a one man know it all show and no one but him is worthy. Like India nuke and missile programme in his mind. Which is nonsense. Also its not simple. In the end have to learn and test on our own. In the end Pakistan did not do everything - anything on its own and cannot do that in futures.

In India it was not only Kalam. We got many more of them in our pockets. And many out of humility and patriotism don't need any spotlight. And the right people know and respect them. Kalam was highlighted and because of his background and humble upbringings was a role model that was developed rightly. Was their political reasoning that made him more known perhaps but he was not labelled the best and he never said he was the only one who did everything. You are a learned person and read and am sure you have come.across.the many time he acknowledges his inspirations and role models and people who he admires (scientists and others). What he did and did not do there is enough people at the right level to have judged him.

This AQ khan has been labelled a criminal by his own people and put under house arrest and what he says is suppose to be of worth. Prejudical perhaps but its the truth. Like musharraf his legacy will be known for what his own people did to him. And how they evaded much more.embarrassment due to Pakistan system failure.

According to some.reports AQ. Khan has instructed his family to "reveal" details if any harm is done to him in Pakistan (by pakis). What do I say but ... LOL . what are those revelations.

Its is the Army of Pakistan that claims all.credit and it cannot be people.like him. They put him under house arrest and blacken Pakistan name along the way also.

Is he saying he deserves to.be President of Pakistan (like a Zardari). This guy needs to read more about imran Khan page three news. That's the intelligence quotient that is available in Pakistan and frankly he is generating from what he says now in Pakistan.
 

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Why this smear campaign against Dr. Kalam now? Dr. Kalam is no more to defend himself. Does AQ Khan covet the Pakistani Presidency? Does he envy Dr. Kalam's life and career?

@saty, Mahatma Gandhi is the father of the nation. Learn to spell his name. Moreover, either keep your vocabulary clean, or keep out.

@nirranj, so far it appears to be ok. If I see too much filth, it will be closed.
 

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Why exactly are we all feeding this thread when we all know if makes no sense?
 

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@saty

Firstly and importantly have to ask I don't know about why you have confusion over mahatma Gandhi. He was a great outstanding person and inspiration also he was a leader and significant reason for our nation. What confusion you have with him it is making you think all indications and observations made of Indians is flawed.

I find you using names and themes with a little wrong intent. I wish I an wrong since you are trying to make important points about our history and important timelines. I wouldn't say much but using m.Gandhi made me think.

In terms of Nehru I do agree there is information coming out now some might be true some might be hearsay. But again he had many years of review. In the end his legacy was what it was and his 62 war sealed it. Not much will change and too many people were with him.

I would beg different if you used a example like Jinnah. Some say He was a shia, drank, smoked and had a disease that made him strange leader to be of Islamic nation found on the basis of intolerance and it cannot exist with others. Was his image developed and people followed him blindly and he delivered by opportunism. He passed away not long after - why he made into such a hero and his face on every wall in Pakistan.

Perhaps Nehru was also opportunistic and knowing he would have more chance of being a leader if he got Jinnah out (ironic what nehru ancestors did).

The article is about AQ khan giving a commentary and opinion on someone who achieved in India. A person who was made president by rules and procedure and Democratic principles. A person who was scrutinized. Was he then only one - nope. Why is he called missile man - like AQ khan is called criminal and expert in illegal nuclear proliferation it was his epxertise. He is not THE missile man.

You are making a moot point. If the article was done with a detailed analysis on kalam outputs and listed out he was a failure it would be fair. Like how without any reaources he was part of a team india (which everyone knows). Also if you are making a point about the india president selection and it drawbacks and wrong choices there is a another way to say that. Are you saying AQ khan is better to kalam. If you are saying others ought to have been given recognition it might be they have and might be you dont know about it and might be they don't want anyone to know. Kalam also did not say he did everything on his own. He has had too many interactions and verficiations to be labelled a AQ khan type. Also it is a fact his background was Muslim and was from a poor upbringing. Was that a reason he was giving more limelight to make others inspried and motivated - why not and it was merit. I would personally like more such examples given to youth of India. Patriotic examples from the heart.

There might have been better presidents, and worse presidents (I can name a few and recent ones). There might have been better scientists and worse scientists. But kalam is in a different league and measuremt to AQ khan. AQ khan speaking about Kalam is irnoic when he ought to speak more about imran kham and his lift off and mental explosion he had starting from divorcing his first wife because of her religion (which was wrong). Under house arrest i wonder is he denied to talk about the local affairs and that habit made him talk about india. Is it aq khan is unhappy about Pakistan and how he is being.treated. That's the point.
 
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