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Although the instantaneous turning angular velocity is important, it is not absolute. Let me give you an example. The M2000 is instantaneously strong, but all F16 pilots who have fought against him agree with this point. As long as they avoid being attacked at the first meeting, the WVR will follow. In, the energy loss of M2000 will be very fast, and it will be shot down soon
From where exactly JF17 gets the higher thrust than Rafale a twin engine fighter?

Even if in Initial engagements JF17 survives, JF17 cannot rate fight the Rafale.

M2000 deficiencies are rectified in Rafale, we can say Rafale is the next evolution of M2000.
 

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From where exactly JF17 gets the higher thrust than Rafale a twin engine fighter?

Even if in Initial engagements JF17 survives, JF17 cannot rate fight the Rafale.

M2000 deficiencies are rectified in Rafale, we can say Rafale is the next evolution of M2000.
The B52 has 8 engines. What do you think of the maneuverability? The maneuverability depends on the envelope control and aerodynamic layout. I can only analyze its flight characteristics from the appearance.
 

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Although the Pakistani Air Force pilots have superb flying skills, their ability to organize large-scale air campaigns and coordinate operations between air and ground is far inferior to that of China.
Even though they are Pakistan Airforce, but if I as a pilot will have to dogfight with a PAF guy or a PLAAF guy, I will fear the PAF guy, you guys have a shit experience, you guys don’t even have a single Air-to-Air kill, do you know how many PAF and IAF have? Lol!
 

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Even though they are Pakistan Airforce, but if I as a pilot will have to dogfight with a PAF guy or a PLAAF guy, I will fear the PAF guy, you guys have a shit experience, you guys don’t even have a single Air-to-Air kill, do you know how many PAF and IAF have? Lol!
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Last week, it was reported widely in the media that Indian Air Force (IAF) pilots flying Sukhoi Su-30 MKI fighters had won with a margin of 12-0 against British's Royal Air Force (RAF's) Typhoon jets, in a series of dog-fighting excercises.

Operation 'Indradhanush,' a 10-day exercise which commenced on July 21 saw the IAF with four Russian-designed fighter aircrafts, face off against the RAF's Typhoon FGR4 fighter.


So the JF-17 will defeat NATO bunch of liars, JF-17 is crap
 

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Last week, it was reported widely in the media that Indian Air Force (IAF) pilots flying Sukhoi Su-30 MKI fighters had won with a margin of 12-0 against British's Royal Air Force (RAF's) Typhoon jets, in a series of dog-fighting excercises.

Operation 'Indradhanush,' a 10-day exercise which commenced on July 21 saw the IAF with four Russian-designed fighter aircrafts, face off against the RAF's Typhoon FGR4 fighter.


So the JF-17 will defeat NATO bunch of liars, JF-17 is crap
 

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another forum to give an answer.

JF-17 flown by Pakis, allies of Turks, claimed JF-17 destroyed Rafale, wow, what about buy JF-17 since greece have them, what about the fact facts JF-17 has no chances due to lower thrust to weigh ratio, propaganda directed to India
 

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another forum to give an answer.

JF-17 flown by Pakis, allies of Turks, claimed JF-17 destroyed Rafale, wow, what about buy JF-17 since greece have them, what about the fact facts JF-17 has no chances due to lower thrust to weigh ratio, propaganda directed to India
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If jf17 is better than Rafale and Su30MKI as some Chinese "scholars" are saying, why don't the plaaf throw out all the J11 and J16 which are inferior to Su30MKI as shown, and buy the jf17 enmasse :D
@lixun @SexyChineseLady @rockdog

Please consider this "Chinese logic", and make PLAAF superpower, please buy JF17 en masse but first ditch those dirty dirty Su27 clones.
At least 500 JF17 for PLAAF.
 

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JF17Block3 is the first place below the F-16 series on the technical and tactical level and the integration of technical and economic performance. The F-16 is currently the most successful fighter in the international arms market.
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Although there are only 7 attachment points, it includes 3 heavy attachment points and 4 light attachment points. The total weight of the external attachment is 4600 kg. The 3, 4, and 5 attachment points are 2000 pound heavy attachment points. The actual mounting capacity is not weaker than that of the J 10.
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When mounting two air-to-surface strike weapons, this is the case with the J-10's mounting—two 2000-pound ground weapons, two medium-range rounds, two combat rounds, and a centerline auxiliary fuel tank. The Xiaolong weighs only 6.5 tons, and the J-10 weighs 9 tons.
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Of course, the difference in details cannot be ignored. The four pylons under the F-10 inlet generally include an ECM pod or an attack navigation pod, which occupies a hanging point on the JF-17. After all, one is a 9-ton aircraft and the other is a 6.5-ton aircraft.
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According to the information on Pakistan’s official website, it’s unbelievable that the JF-17 can reach 1880 nautical miles when mounted with three auxiliary fuel tanks, which is equivalent to 3482 kilometers, which is comparable to the larger J-10/F-16. Up is already a grade.
Pakistan Aeronautical Complex Kamra - JF-17 Thunder Aircraft (pac.org.pk)
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The KLJ-7A airborne active phased array radar (AESA) weighs only 120 kilograms and is equipped with more than 1,000 transmit/receive modules (TRM). The radar cross section (RCS) provides a maximum range of 170 kilometers for a target of 5 square meters, and can track 15 targets and engage 4 targets at the same time. In fact, the technical level of this type of radar has completely exceeded the Zhuk series FGA-35 (3D type) active phased array radar used by Russian MiG-35 fighters.

The FGA-35(3D) was first shown at MAKS in 2013. It's a GaN-based AESA, scalable, meant for various platforms with the version shown at MAKS having a 688mm(?) antenna and 960 T/R's. In an interview the new radar was mentioned to be weighing about 130 kg (for fighter planes)[21] and having a 200 km range for a 5-ton UAV version.[22] FGA-35(3D) was relabeled as FGA-35 while the original FGA-35 was relabeled as FGA-29.
 

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JF17Block3 is the first place below the F-16 series on the technical and tactical level and the integration of technical and economic performance. The F-16 is currently the most successful fighter in the international arms market.
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Although there are only 7 attachment points, it includes 3 heavy attachment points and 4 light attachment points. The total weight of the external attachment is 4600 kg. The 3, 4, and 5 attachment points are 2000 pound heavy attachment points. The actual mounting capacity is not weaker than that of the J 10.
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When mounting two air-to-surface strike weapons, this is the case with the J-10's mounting—two 2000-pound ground weapons, two medium-range rounds, two combat rounds, and a centerline auxiliary fuel tank. The Xiaolong weighs only 6.5 tons, and the J-10 weighs 9 tons.
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Of course, the difference in details cannot be ignored. The four pylons under the F-10 inlet generally include an ECM pod or an attack navigation pod, which occupies a hanging point on the JF-17. After all, one is a 9-ton aircraft and the other is a 6.5-ton aircraft.
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According to the information on Pakistan’s official website, it’s unbelievable that the JF-17 can reach 1880 nautical miles when mounted with three auxiliary fuel tanks, which is equivalent to 3482 kilometers, which is comparable to the larger J-10/F-16. Up is already a grade.
Pakistan Aeronautical Complex Kamra - JF-17 Thunder Aircraft (pac.org.pk)
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The KLJ-7A airborne active phased array radar (AESA) weighs only 120 kilograms and is equipped with more than 1,000 transmit/receive modules (TRM). The radar cross section (RCS) provides a maximum range of 170 kilometers for a target of 5 square meters, and can track 15 targets and engage 4 targets at the same time. In fact, the technical level of this type of radar has completely exceeded the Zhuk series FGA-35 (3D type) active phased array radar used by Russian MiG-35 fighters.

The FGA-35(3D) was first shown at MAKS in 2013. It's a GaN-based AESA, scalable, meant for various platforms with the version shown at MAKS having a 688mm(?) antenna and 960 T/R's. In an interview the new radar was mentioned to be weighing about 130 kg (for fighter planes)[21] and having a 200 km range for a 5-ton UAV version.[22] FGA-35(3D) was relabeled as FGA-35 while the original FGA-35 was relabeled as FGA-29.
Then why don't PLAAF buy those jets, and junk that dirty Su27 clones which are good for nothing.
Please buy it.
 

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BTW, some hard facts



Let us see some points which make JF-17 a true mockery of aircraft engineering.


1. Engine –
The powerplant used in the system is Klimov RD-93 which is a variant of the RD-33 engine from Russia. Russians found it useless but when Chinese Engineers were developing a cheap fighter for Pakistan, they selected Cheap RD 93. It has an increased thrust level but decreased service interval (From 700hours to 400Hours) and life cycle (From 4000 Hours to 2200Hours). This engine is known to generate thick black smoke (due to partial burning of fuel) resulting in easy spotting of aircraft from tens of miles away. Only JF-17 uses this engine in the entire world. This resulted in a low thrust to weight ratio. Today Pakistani JF-17 cannot pull a 9G manoeuvre even with zero weapon system and 65% of Fuel.

Interestingly, such notorious was the performance of this Engine that when Myanmar decided to buy 16 x JF-17 from Pakistan, it refused to take this RD-93 engine and separately procured original RD33 Engines from Russia.

2. Air to Air Refuelling – Since JF-17 has a higher rate of fuel consumption, it would need to be refuelled in the air for any long-distance operation. Pakistan claims this aircraft to be capable of carrying out Air to Air Refuelling but surprisingly no Air to Air refuelling has ever been carried out till date. Indeed, they carried out this exercise on ground which makes another mockery of the Aircraft Engineering.

3. Weapon Systems – Pakistan boasts of a plethora of weapon systems compatible with JF-17 but the actual scenario is different. It bought its targeting system from Turkish company “Aselsan” but its compatibility with Chinese weapons has never been tested. The most advanced weapon system claimed on JF-17 is Chinese PL-15 Air to Air Missile with a reported range of over 200 Km. Surprisingly, it still carries a conventional Rocket motor which not only decreases its velocity but its more than 4-metre long size makes the killer itself an ideal target.

4. Weak Structure – Because of poor thrust to weight ratio, its structure is exposed to serious threats when going beyond permissible “Gravity” limits. It is reliably learnt that more than 40% of the existing JF-17 are grounded because of cracks in their Strake area. This is the area most affected by Gravity related postures. There are reports that the damage to stake areas of wingtips has even resulted in damage to wingtip hardpoints in few of the machines. There was news of breaking of arresting gear in few aircraft while landing too.

5. Total Reliance on China – Except the airframe and metallic structures, Pakistan is totally dependent upon China and other countries for all its parts and spares. JF-17 is only assembled in Pakistan. Its entire serviceability and life cycle are maintained by Chinese Engineers.

In a nutshell, if someone tries to explain Paki-Chinese JF-17, It will certainly be a mockery of Aircraft Engineering. Just to produce something at reduced costs, they created an example which is totally incapable to meet its objectives. What we see is only propaganda, the reality of JF-17 is far away. China acted wisely resulting in a poor Pakistan having a complete dependency on the Dragon for survivability of its Aircraft Fleet. Pakistan is forced to do Chinese slavery on economic as well as technical fronts.
 

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Then why don't PLAAF buy those jets, and junk that dirty Su27 clones which are good for nothing.
Please buy it.
Every country has its own actual needs and combat philosophy, JF17 is not suitable for China
 

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BTW, some hard facts



Let us see some points which make JF-17 a true mockery of aircraft engineering.

1. Engine –
The powerplant used in the system is Klimov RD-93 which is a variant of the RD-33 engine from Russia. Russians found it useless but when Chinese Engineers were developing a cheap fighter for Pakistan, they selected Cheap RD 93. It has an increased thrust level but decreased service interval (From 700hours to 400Hours) and life cycle (From 4000 Hours to 2200Hours). This engine is known to generate thick black smoke (due to partial burning of fuel) resulting in easy spotting of aircraft from tens of miles away. Only JF-17 uses this engine in the entire world. This resulted in a low thrust to weight ratio. Today Pakistani JF-17 cannot pull a 9G manoeuvre even with zero weapon system and 65% of Fuel.

Interestingly, such notorious was the performance of this Engine that when Myanmar decided to buy 16 x JF-17 from Pakistan, it refused to take this RD-93 engine and separately procured original RD33 Engines from Russia.

2. Air to Air Refuelling – Since JF-17 has a higher rate of fuel consumption, it would need to be refuelled in the air for any long-distance operation. Pakistan claims this aircraft to be capable of carrying out Air to Air Refuelling but surprisingly no Air to Air refuelling has ever been carried out till date. Indeed, they carried out this exercise on ground which makes another mockery of the Aircraft Engineering.

3. Weapon Systems – Pakistan boasts of a plethora of weapon systems compatible with JF-17 but the actual scenario is different. It bought its targeting system from Turkish company “Aselsan” but its compatibility with Chinese weapons has never been tested. The most advanced weapon system claimed on JF-17 is Chinese PL-15 Air to Air Missile with a reported range of over 200 Km. Surprisingly, it still carries a conventional Rocket motor which not only decreases its velocity but its more than 4-metre long size makes the killer itself an ideal target.

4. Weak Structure – Because of poor thrust to weight ratio, its structure is exposed to serious threats when going beyond permissible “Gravity” limits. It is reliably learnt that more than 40% of the existing JF-17 are grounded because of cracks in their Strake area. This is the area most affected by Gravity related postures. There are reports that the damage to stake areas of wingtips has even resulted in damage to wingtip hardpoints in few of the machines. There was news of breaking of arresting gear in few aircraft while landing too.

5. Total Reliance on China – Except the airframe and metallic structures, Pakistan is totally dependent upon China and other countries for all its parts and spares. JF-17 is only assembled in Pakistan. Its entire serviceability and life cycle are maintained by Chinese Engineers.

In a nutshell, if someone tries to explain Paki-Chinese JF-17, It will certainly be a mockery of Aircraft Engineering. Just to produce something at reduced costs, they created an example which is totally incapable to meet its objectives. What we see is only propaganda, the reality of JF-17 is far away. China acted wisely resulting in a poor Pakistan having a complete dependency on the Dragon for survivability of its Aircraft Fleet. Pakistan is forced to do Chinese slavery on economic as well as technical fronts.
When I saw the first paragraph, I didn't want to continue watching it. You think that the black smoke from the RD33 is a sign of a backward engine!
 
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