AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

[NutCracker]

If complete redesign, why not redesign the wings and air intake while at it to increase thrust, maneuverability, and payload capacity?

Intake is redesigned. MK1 couldn't have utilised GE414 to it's full capacity, so they had to modifiy intakes for MK2.

 

[Blademaster]

Intake is redesigned. MK1 can't utilise GE414, so they had to modifiy intakes for MK2.

What about wings?

 

[NutCracker]

What about wings?

What's wrong with the wings. More the changes , longer the delivery timeline.

 

[Blademaster]

What's wrong with the wings. More the changes , longer the delivery timeline.

Plane limited to 8g and a certain amount of speed. If redesigned, you can increase g-load factor to 9g+ and increase the amount of speed capable of this plane.

 

[NutCracker]

Plane limited to 8g and a certain amount of speed. If redesigned, you can increase g-load factor to 9g+ and increase the amount of speed capable of this plane.

LCA was made to be light so there will be structural limitations. Hence it is 8g certified. Maybe more I read few months back.
We might see MK2 , envelope opening upto 9g. Till then nothing is confirmed.

 

[Anandhu Krishna]

It's amazing to me that people here can't comprehend the importance of having an indigenous aircraft and the threat of Importing an American jet.

There was a time when India had a [somewhat] technologically superior AF than China. PLAF was flying re-engineered junk while having problems with US, USSR and India. Still they got through that phase because they were smart enough to understand that they have to take risk today so they don't have to, tomorrow.
Today's China have grown and their threats have grown with them. They have built a capable aviation industry and technological capabilities to address that threat because they took the risk.

India's threats will grow with India. We have to take the risk today so we don't have to when our threats are bigger and more real.

Importing F35 will be short sighted and moronic.

 

[NutCracker]

book

Watchu doing chinese guest..

 

[Aditya Ballal]

@mods
@ezsasa @LurkerBaba @hit&run

 

[TopWatcher]

It's amazing to me that people here can't comprehend the importance of having an indigenous aircraft and the threat of Importing an American jet.

There was a time when India had a [somewhat] technologically superior AF than China. PLAF was flying re-engineered junk while having problems with US, USSR and India. Still they got through that phase because they were smart enough to understand that they have to take risk today so they don't have to, tomorrow.
Today's China have grown and their threats have grown with them. They have built a capable aviation industry and technological capabilities to address that threat because they took the risk.

India's threats will grow with India. We have to take the risk today so we don't have to when our threats are bigger and more real.

Importing F35 will be short sighted and moronic.

We should stick to AMCA development. Importing things will not going to strengthen defence capability.

Importing things like giving own neck to other nation.

 

[samsaptaka]

As long as we don't have a good jet engine, and dependent on GE F-414 for Tejas MK2 or AMCA (god forbid !) then Unkil Sam can and will arm twist us to buy overpriced F-35 or else stop engine supply .
Then what will we do ? This Safran / RR deal supposedly is to address the abv concern, but I am not sure its going to materialize at all. This again puts urgency into kaveri development, but GoI is shafting us continuously by not showing seriousness and not funding engine dev nor test bed. This is getting frustrating day by day.
Also, why not get engine tech from ruskies ? Given their desparate situation re the Ukraine war, where we helped them out with oil purchases, maybe we can work a deal ? Ruskie engines are not ideal, but will surely be a starting step and better than nothing at this stage. The west will be the real enemy in the future, can't keep relying on GE engines forever.

 

[DumbPilot]

8Gs or 9Gs doesn't matter, that's more for pilot comfort than anything else, or preserving sensitive electronic equipment installed on the plane(like targeting pods).

What matters is the turn rate and the turn radius at the corner velocity. Tejas Mk2 will definitely have a great instantaneous turn rate for sure. We won't know about sustained turn rate - unless you can roughly estimate one yourself with a guess of the speed to generate an EM diagram.

 

[Flying Dagger]

It's amazing to me that people here can't comprehend the importance of having an indigenous aircraft and the threat of Importing an American jet.

There was a time when India had a [somewhat] technologically superior AF than China. PLAF was flying re-engineered junk while having problems with US, USSR and India. Still they got through that phase because they were smart enough to understand that they have to take risk today so they don't have to, tomorrow.
Today's China have grown and their threats have grown with them. They have built a capable aviation industry and technological capabilities to address that threat because they took the risk.

India's threats will grow with India. We have to take the risk today so we don't have to when our threats are bigger and more real.

Importing F35 will be short sighted and moronic.

We aren't importing F-35 and USA won't sell it to us with our conditions of use.

And China still buys Russian jets and they did both . Bought and kept producing their own.

Unfortunately we didn't do that and kept on producing same mig 21 till 1987 with minimal changes.

While they redevelop it to JF-17 .

Got LAVI from Israel and made J-10.

Got Flankers from Russia and built J-11 etc.

 

[no smoking]

Today's China have grown and their threats have grown with them. They have built a capable aviation industry and technological capabilities to address that threat because they took the risk.

No, because they made their sacrifice. There were plenty of countries willing to take the risk but very few countries were able to spend every dollar they have on it again and again.

The key is: they successfully managed to keep their people living with minimum living standard for 30 years. They almost pushed their country to the edge of collapse. By doing so, they were able to put most of their resources into hundreds of industrial departments, not just aviation.

 

[IndianHawk]

No, because they made their sacrifice. There were plenty of countries willing to take the risk but very few countries were able to spend every dollar they have on it again and again.

The key is: they successfully managed to keep their people living with minimum living standard for 30 years. They almost pushed their country to the edge of collapse. By doing so, they were able to put most of their resources into hundreds of industrial departments, not just aviation.

They have pushed China beyond the edge of collapse. With you fertility rate down the gutter and population already declining.

The only industry China needs is geriatric care industry for all the old people left dying.

 

[BON PLAN]

Plane limited to 8g and a certain amount of speed. If redesigned, you can increase g-load factor to 9g+ and increase the amount of speed capable of this plane.

G limit is not only a wings issue.
Also a frame one, as Fly by Wire one, as engine power one (if the engine is too weak the energy is lost so the plane unable to sustain high G)

 

[abingdonboy]

It's amazing to me that people here can't comprehend the importance of having an indigenous aircraft and the threat of Importing an American jet.

There was a time when India had a [somewhat] technologically superior AF than China. PLAF was flying re-engineered junk while having problems with US, USSR and India. Still they got through that phase because they were smart enough to understand that they have to take risk today so they don't have to, tomorrow.
Today's China have grown and their threats have grown with them. They have built a capable aviation industry and technological capabilities to address that threat because they took the risk.

India's threats will grow with India. We have to take the risk today so we don't have to when our threats are bigger and more real.

Importing F35 will be short sighted and moronic.

The lack of seriousness in engine development shows the bean counters are thoroughly calling the show and there’s no vision to create a fix.

underfunding Kaveri because they are delusional enough to think that a global engine major will willingly share IPR for their cutting edge tech and then trying to do the latter on the cheap is peak Indian babudom

meanwhile the elected leadership is oblivious and letting the tail wag the dog as usual

HTSE-1200, HTFE, Kaveri, 110KN should be national programs instead they are the unloved step children. To this date india doesn’t possess even a single engine test bed and has to send their intake designs to France to be certified, like I said- india is not a serious nation.

Wanting to be a big player on the cheap is typical desi mentality and why the rest of the world sniggers at talk of super power aspirations. South Korea and Turkey are surpassing India in comprehensive aerospace design and validation capabilities, who will be next? Egypt? Malaysia? Nigeria?

 

[jai jaganath]

The lack of seriousness in engine development shows the bean counters are thoroughly calling the show and there’s no vision to create a fix.

underfunding Kaveri because they are delusional enough to think that a global engine major will willingly share IPR for their cutting edge tech and then trying to do the latter on the cheap is peak Indian babudom

meanwhile the elected leadership is oblivious and letting the tail wag the dog as usual

HTSE-1200, HTFE, Kaveri, 110KN should be national programs instead they are the unloved step children. To this date india doesn’t possess even a single engine test bed and has to send their intake designs to France to be certified, like I said- india is not a serious nation.

Wanting to be a big player on the cheap is typical desi mentality and why the rest of the world sniggers at talk of super power aspirations. South Korea and Turkey are surpassing India in comprehensive aerospace design and validation capabilities, who will be next? Egypt? Malaysia? Nigeria?

Yeah what we lack is national motive to achieve some technological breakthrough
No bloody babu cares about it forget politicians
No national framework for developing and nurturing critical technology
Not even in 5-6 years Korea and turkey will cross us in aerospace capabilities
And our shamless people will be giving explanations for that too those guys there will be field 5th gen aircraft before mk2 production
Again those shamelessly people without any shame will be comparing us to South American countries along with Malaysia and African countries in this space and wait ig even with good leadership they will try to cross us
Who knows

 

[WolfPack86]

BIG STEP FOR INDIA'S AMCA PROGRAM AS ROLLS-ROYCE CONFIRMS EXPORT LICENCE FOR COMBAT ENGINE TECHNOLOGY TRANSFER
New Delhi: In a major boost for the Atmanirbhar Bharat initiative of the Indian government, Rolls-Royce has confirmed an export license from the UK government for combat engine technology transfer to India.

Big step for India's AMCA program as Rolls-Royce confirms export licence for combat engine technology transfer. The combat engine technology transfer to India by Rolls-Royce will be for the purpose of combat engine development with a unique co-creation model

A report quoted officials from Rolls-Royce as saying that the combat engine technology transfer to India will be for the purpose of combat engine development with a unique co-creation model.

The Intellectual Property (IP) for this technology will be developed and owned in India for the AMCA (Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft) program.

General Electric Wants Export Licence For India

General Electric (GE), which is based in the US, has also requested the US government for an export licence that will fund the joint development of a combat engine for India’s AMCA program.

General Electric (GE) has also gained backing for these programs from several members of the US Congress. But the request is currently awaiting approval.

Rolls-Royce has claimed that even if India receives orders for the AMCA program from other nations, General Electric (GE) will never permit India to retain Intellectual Property (IP) for the engine that it is offering to co-develop for India and will require GE and US administration clearance for export of this engine to other countries.

General Electric (GE) proposes to establish an engine subsidiary in India with a supply chain composed of companies from the private sector.

Technically, it is possible to produce everything totally domestically, but its local engine subsidiary will continue to have the ToT and other Intellectual Property (IP) rights.

Implications For India’s Security Scenario

The AMCA program is intended to enable India to develop a fighter aircraft capable of taking on the PLA Air Force (PLAAF) of China. It is expected to counter the JF-17 Thunder fighter aircraft of China, which is also used by the Pakistan Air Force (PAF).

The AMCA program is expected to be a crucial step for India in the quest to develop a fifth generation fighter aircraft.

The Indian Air Force (IAF) is suffering from a worrying shortfall in the number of fighter squadrons and an indegenously developed fighter aircraft is expected to fill this gap.

Earlier this year, the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) had announced the ‘metal cutting’ for the first prototype of the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA).

Big Step For India's AMCA Program As Rolls-Royce Confirms Export Licence For Combat Engine Technology Transfer

The Intellectual Property (IP) for this technology will be developed and owned in India for the AMCA (Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft) progr...

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[karn]

Is Rolls Royce engine confirmed ?

 

[Arjun Mk1A]

Is Rolls Royce engine confirmed ?

RR is saying they will allow us to market the product without any restriction.

I checked their products in Military.
One is EJ200 - 60 KN Dry thrust.
Another one is prototype F136 - Basically developed for F-35 before lost to PW. 125 Dry thrust. Maybe RR can work on this with us.

But problem history of JV with us most of the time we are always in the position of getting wooden spoon.

IF MOD babus suddenly able to do a great deal. Then something we can achieve.