AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

MonaLazy

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i got to know from a indian navy vetren that moskva's sailing route had a repetitive pattern and in case of war ,ships avoid this as it makes them vulnerable to detection, he was pretty experienced and possibly right though i have no knowledge of naval domain
When you have eyes in the sky & space how much can you maneuver on ocean surface at 30 knots to evade them?
 

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the Moskva was plagued by bad servicing, poor trained crews, massive blind sectors in her radar coverage, smart employment of TB2 to divert her primary air search radars, and NATO provided the track to get those missiles on target (read as USAF ELINT birds)
The S-300F cannot intercept sea hugging cruise missiles and its radar which was used for guiding the OSA-MA SAM was out of order
 

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First step to sabotage AMCA, lets hope IAF, GoI don't fall for it.
Better to consider rafale, snecma. Rafale can't replace both mwf[low cost] & amca[high tech]
And how considering Rafale will not sabotage LCA mk 2 & TEDBF???
 

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The S-300F cannot intercept sea hugging cruise missiles and its radar which was used for guiding the OSA-MA SAM was out of order
S-300F has an engagement altitude of 25–25,000 m and range extended to 7–90 km. S-300F is capable for engaging sea-skimming missile atleast on paper.
Even if we discount S-300F and 9K33 Osa Moskva did posses, AK-130 and six AK-630. All these guns have independent fire control system.
 

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And how considering Rafale will not sabotage LCA mk 2 & TEDBF???
You can't blame a single aircraft.
Ans- Cost. Nope Rafale can't sabotage LCA mk 2 & TEDBF, but sh may sabotage TEDBF & gripen/f21 - mk2.
MMRCA, MMRCA2 & MRFA also can cause issue for mwf. <mmrca/mrfa is a huge deal, EU/UK may try to slow down the mk2 pgrm, mmrca lifetime cost exceeds 50 billion euros>
Also France don't have any major role in lca pgrm like UK/US/Israel. Also, now there is a lots of demand for rafale now.
 

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Why calspan, nal & isro have tran/supersonic wind tunnel too.
Probably because we don't have enough transonic tunnel capabilities in the country right now. I am not too sure.

From 2015
“The NAL’s wind tunnel has the capacity of just 1,500 blow-downs (the high-speed shooting) while our requirement is 11,000 a year. In the absence of meeting such a high demand, we are forced to go abroad to have the aircraft tested,” Tamilmani said. The DRDO is currently taking the AMCA design model to Calspan Corporation’s transonic wind tunnel, the largest independently-owned wind tunnel in the USA.

However, the disadvantage of doing that, he said, is that “we are taking our details and concepts abroad, that too at our expense.” Tamilmani said the government is looking at a land in Telangana to set up a national wind tunnel facility to fill the gap. “In the next five years, we should have the facility,” he said, hinting at the urgency of pushing the AMCA project.
In 2018, Boeing was supposed to start building the tunnel under offsets which would have taken 3-4 years.
I don't know what happened after that except for the covid lockdowns.
 

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Why calspan, nal & isro have tran/supersonic wind tunnel too.
Jet's aerodynamic research is much more complicated than rocket.
It not only covers different speed, but also different weather condition, different posture.
In the past, you may only need a few wind tunnel to test rocket, but the number of wind tunnels required for jet is >20.
 

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If Iaf wanted it's squadron strength to 42 why don't Iaf order three squadrons of F 35 Fighter jets offered to India from USA recently

 

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If Iaf wanted it's squadron strength to 42 why don't Iaf order three squadrons of F 35 Fighter jets offered to India from USA recently

There are many agreements that need to be signed before a non ally can get an f35 . The strength of the f35 lies as much in its network centric capabilities as the strength of the platform itself. Said network of the "network centric capabilities" is held with the US.. their client states .. sorry allies can only rent but never own .
 

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Just a brown sepoy working for american think tank suggesting "Drop AMCA, Buy F-35". Make profits for american companies. :frusty: China has no experience in building a stealth fighter before J-20, but they did it. This is how Tejas dragged for 20+ years.
 

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Just a brown sepoy working for american think tank suggesting "Drop AMCA, Buy F-35". Make profits for american companies. :frusty: China has no experience in building a stealth fighter before J-20, but they did it. This is how Tejas dragged for 20+ years.
Try to read the article.

He is basically saying, India must focus more on MWF as it is immediately required and less prone to delay.

AMCA might get delayed for few years as giving the complexity of project.

And Ofcourse, being a brown sepoy he emphasized the importance of import.
 

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He is basically saying, India must focus more on MWF as it is immediately required and less prone to delay.
tejas MK2 (aka MWF) doesn't need army of engineers like AMCA, differences from previous version are higher payload jet engine, increase size, more hard points. That doesn't mean we should stop AMCA all right and completely focus on mk2 for next 3-4 years.
Most difficult part of any fighter is developing a new engine, EW suite, radars. All of them are available for us.

And Ofcourse, being a brown sepoy he emphasized the importance of import.
everything is in the best interest of America 🙏
 
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