AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

[FalconSlayers]

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Koreans may not require such advanced systems coz their main threat has nothing to deal with it, North Korea can never go for a conventional war.

North Korea 30 Billion dollars GDP
South Korea 1600 Billion dollars GDP

So Kim Jong Un has only nukes, that will spread Radiation to tHeir own country as well.

 

[Ghost hale]

Koreans may not require such advanced systems coz their main threat has nothing to deal with it, North Korea can never go for a conventional war.

North Korea 30 Billion dollars GDP
South Korea 1600 Billion dollars GDP

So Kim Jong Un has only nukes, that will spread Radiation to tHeir own country as well.

China.

 

[Bleh]

Yes, I’ve heard that K-FX doesn’t have an internal weapons bay, is that true? Or Koreans are planning for a K-FX Block-II for Internal Weapons bay?

Neither the Korean KF-X nor Turkish TF-X had internal bays... Amrikis helped their design, but didn't at the same time, if you get my meaning.

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Nose cone length has been reduced...

Well noted... Didn't quite catch that one myself.

 

[Ghost hale]

Neither the Korean KF-X nor Turkish TF-X had internal bays... Amrikis helped their design, but didn't at the same time, if you get my meaning.

I seriously think by looking at developments everywhere that AMCA might turn out to be the next true 5th gen Fighter comparable to F-22 and F-35. All other 5th gen doesn't seems to stack up to these two.

 

[Bleh]

I seriously think by looking at developments everywhere that AMCA might turn out to be the next true 5th gen Fighter comparable to F-22 and F-35. All other 5th gen doesn't seems to stack up to these two.

Oh yes, definitely... Unless you count FC-31. That one has potential.

@FalconSlayers are you sure it's not camera distortion in those photos? I know the radome changed shape a bit, but doesn't look any shorter to me on further observation.

 

[FalconSlayers]

I seriously think by looking at developments everywhere that AMCA might turn out to be the next true 5th gen Fighter comparable to F-22 and F-35. All other 5th gen doesn't seems to stack up to these two.

Yes even I’m surprised that an aircraft specialist country Russia was unable to make a true 5th gen aircraft, it also doesn’t have an internal weapons bay, it lacks a serpentine intake, it lacks DSI, it‘s Avionics are 4+ gen etc, Chinese 5th gen aircrafts are non-stealthy, J-20 can’t carry a Close Quarter Combat Autocannon and it doesn’t have a proper engine right now.

 

[Bleh]

Yes even I’m surprised that an aircraft specialist country Russia was unable to make a true 5th gen aircraft, it also doesn’t have an internal weapons bay, it lacks a serpentine intake, it lacks DSI, it‘s Avionics are 4+ gen etc, Chinese 5th gen aircrafts are non-stealthy, J-20 can’t carry a Close Quarter Combat Autocannon and it doesn’t have a proper engine right now.

They are good for high power & performance based platforms only, always lagged behind in subtle tech... Right from Mig-15 (I'm taking about the radar advantage of F-86 obviously).

 

[Ghost hale]

Oh yes, definitely... Unless you count FC-31. That one has potential.

Chinese avionics and engine will be downfall of that. China is good but their electronic research needs lot of work.

Yes even I’m surprised that an aircraft specialist country Russia was unable to make a true 5th gen aircraft, it also doesn’t have an internal weapons bay, it lacks a serpentine intake, it lacks DSI, it‘s Avionics are 4+ gen etc, Chinese 5th gen aircrafts are non-stealthy, J-20 can’t carry a Close Quarter Combat Autocannon and it doesn’t have a proper engine right now.

Su-57 have IWB. Both China and Russia can seriously help themselves by just somehow getting help from israel. There product will improve many fold with better electronics.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Neither the Korean KF-X nor Turkish TF-X had internal bays... Amrikis helped their design, but didn't at the same time, if you get my meaning.

Well noted... Didn't quite catch that one myself.

Oh yes, definitely... Unless you count FC-31. That one has potential.

@FalconSlayers are you sure it's not camera distortion in those photos? I know the radone changes shape a bit, but doesn't look any sort top nme on further observation. View attachment 80171View attachment 80172View attachment 80173

I don’t think so maybe in 2020 Aero India they reduced the Nose Cone length and in 2021 a DSI variant of it finalised.

Or the cockpit might be enlarged... but I feel the Boeing X-36 Style elongated Nose Cone will reduce drag.

 

[WARREN SS]

E/W and Avionics will be GaAs based or GaN based?

Amca AESA is GAN based its already been advanced stage of development
Upgrade from D29 AESA suite probably 360 degree
Gan based AESA

These technologies are already in advance stages
And will operational by 2025

 

[FalconSlayers]

They are good for high power & performance based platforms only, always lagged behind in subtle tech... Right from Mig-15 (I'm taking about the radar advantage of F-86 obviously).

Russian doctrine is Manoeuvreability and American doctrine is Extensive Sensors.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Oh yes, definitely... Unless you count FC-31. That one has potential.

@FalconSlayers are you sure it's not camera distortion in those photos? I know the radome changed shape a bit, but doesn't look any shorter to me on further observation. View attachment 80171View attachment 80172View attachment 80173

I wish if we could simply buy out Lockheed Martin’s EOTS and Thales’ SPECTRA E/W Suite, by the way is SPECTRA GaN based? Or if not then can our GaN based E/W Suite perform better in future as GaN is far better than GaAs.

 

[Bleh]

I wish if we could simply buy out Lockheed Martin’s EOTS and Thales’ SPECTRA E/W Suite, by the way is SPECTRA GaN based? Or if not then can our GaN based E/W Suite perform better in future as GaN is far better than GaAs.

Hna re, khao pulao...

Both China and Russia can seriously help themselves by just somehow getting help from israel. There product will improve many fold with better electronics.

China did that with their missiles. All PL-XX spurs BVRs are based on Derby.

 

[Karthi]

I seriously think by looking at developments everywhere that AMCA might turn out to be the next true 5th gen Fighter comparable to F-22 and F-35. All other 5th gen doesn't seems to stack up to these two.

AMCA will be better than F22 and F35 . Indians have no confidence in telling our tech is better but looking at the models and other developments AMCA will be better . The only question in my mind is did IAF going to opt a a flying super computer like F35 in AMCA avionics . In Stealth it's pretty much sure that AMCA will rival F22 .

 

[WARREN SS]

I wish if we could simply buy out Lockheed Martin’s EOTS and Thales’ SPECTRA E/W Suite, by the way is SPECTRA GaN based? Or if not then can our GaN based E/W Suite perform better in future as GaN is far better than GaAs.

Why ?? Already spending millions on are own EOTs
And GAN UWB AESA

DRDO labs like LRDE already stabilshed new anechoic chamber facilities
To Test UWB AESA

 

[FalconSlayers]

Why ?? Already spending millions on are own EOTs
And GAN UWB AESA

DRDO labs like LRDE already stabilshed new anechoic chamber facilities
To Test UWB AESA

We don’t have any plans for EOTS

 

[Ghost hale]

China did that with their missiles. All PL-XX spurs BVRs are based on Derby.

Can't say about PL series as havn't searched on their seekers but DH series which they claim "air craft carrier destroyer" are pathetic. Out of 4 test fires a single reached somewhere near by. rest lost their path all together.

 

[WARREN SS]

We don’t have any plans for EOTS

We already built an EOTs tracker
Which will be used in fighters in Future

About Us | Defence Research and Development Organisation - DRDO, Ministry of Defence, Government of India

www.drdo.gov.in

 

[Bleh]

AMCA will be better than F22 and F35 . Indians have no confidence in telling our tech is better but looking at the models and other developments AMCA will be better . The only question in my mind is did IAF going to opt a a flying super computer like F35 in AMCA avionics . In Stealth it's pretty much sure that AMCA will rival F22 .

F-35 probably... F-22 definitely not (platform wise only, there's 2 decade tech gap).

Mark1 doesn't have side-bays, TVC or hidden engine nozzles like F-22. Edge alignment is also imperfect, owing to attempt of drag reduction.... Mark2 will be technically 6th gen, so again doesn't compare fairly.

Can't say about PL series as havn't searched on their seekers but DH series which they claim "air craft carrier destroyer" are pathetic. Out of 4 test fires a single reached somewhere near by. rest lost their path all together.

I heard they tried doing that while testing all sorts of ballistic missile countermeasures for realistic simulation. We have ever don't that actually (assuming it's true, what I heard).

 

[Ghost hale]

AMCA will be better than F22 and F35 . Indians have no confidence in telling our tech is better but looking at the models and other developments AMCA will be better . The only question in my mind is did IAF going to opt a a flying super computer like F35 in AMCA avionics . In Stealth it's pretty much sure that AMCA will rival F22 .

Its not about saying that our tech is better, Its just don't count eggs before they hatch. I can't say about stealth per say as 0.00001 is really remarkable but avionics will be nothing short of top of the line for sure.