AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

[Dessert Storm]

S400 will be used by IAF, F-36B by Navy plus Pakistan operates F-16s and Ive heard there are americans on ground in porkistani bases checking the use of their F-16s so America may do the same with us, check our F-35B usage so that it isn’t used against Indian S400s during practices and exercises.
this S400 drama by US was to demand more, now they want us to first operate American 4.5 gen jet to get F-35 which is possible...

...coz the all out winner of the 57 Carrier Borne aircraft would definitely be F/A-18E Super Hornet Block-III so for IAC-2 INS Vishal and for 4 LHDs, the Indian Navy is eligible to buy F-35C for IAC-2 INS Vishal and F-35B STOVL for Landing Helicopter Docks (LHD) as it will buy 57 F/A-18E Super Hornet Block-IIIs making the way clear for Indian Navy.
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Plus USA Would definitely want India to buy the F-35s as the program cost has risen and it needs costumers to reduce the price of the jet as there aren’t enough orders for the F-35 to make it profitable so it is expensive plus seeing Chinese Aggression in Indian Ocean where its most important Diego Garcia base is situated, USA would want Indian Navy as an ally for joint operations under COMCASA and BECA making interoperability easier as Indian Navy’s primary enemy is PLAN, so obviously an American jet (or any western) will be used by Indian navy for joint operations.

what are your thoughts guys?

turkey was sanctioned coz under erdogan turkey became a rogue nation and USA knows that even if Turkey would have bought F-35s then Russia would deploy its S400 radars near turkish border to do what america doesn’t want to happen.

I too have similar thoughts of a drama. That's precisely why I said S400 Vs F35 dies down

 

[FalconSlayers]

S400 will be used by IAF, and F-3BB by Indian Navy is good option and S400 controversy won’t happen as it will be used by Navy not by IAF which uses S400 plus Pakistan operates F-16s and Ive heard there are americans on ground in porkistani bases checking the use of their F-16s so America may do the same with us, check our F-35B usage so that it isn’t used against Indian S400s during practices and exercises.

this S400 drama by US was to demand more (make us buy american 4.5 gen jets with excuse that we bought S400) , now they want us to first operate American 4.5 gen jet to get F-35 which is possible...

...coz the all out winner of the 57 Carrier Borne aircraft would definitely be F/A-18E Super Hornet Block-III so for IAC-2 INS Vishal and for 4 LHDs, the Indian Navy is eligible to buy F-35C for IAC-2 INS Vishal and F-35B STOVL for Landing Helicopter Docks (LHD) as it will buy 57 F/A-18E Super Hornet Block-IIIs making the way clear for Indian Navy to buy F-35s.
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Plus USA Would definitely want India to buy the F-35s as the program cost has risen and it needs costumers to reduce the price of the jet as there aren’t enough orders for the F-35 to make it profitable so it is expensive, plus seeing Chinese Aggression in Indian Ocean where USA’s most important Diego Garcia base is situated and IOR has world trade networks passing, USA would want Indian Navy as an ally for joint operations under COMCASA and BECA making interoperability easier as Indian Navy’s primary enemy is PLAN, so obviously an American jet (or any western) will be used by Indian navy for joint operations F/A-18E Super Hornet Block-IIIs and F-35s as PLAN (Chinese Navy) is making a carrier borne version of FC-31 or J-31 5th Gen stealth Aircraft.
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what are your thoughts guys?

turkey was sanctioned coz under erdogan turkey became a rogue nation and USA knows that even if Turkey would have bought F-35s then Russia would deploy its S400 radars near turkish border to do what america doesn’t want to happen, after all America wants India to be a counter Balance in South Asia, Indian Ocean and Indo Pacific as an Ally of USA .

Plus the Lockheed Martin in an interview answered to a question about F-35 sale to India, he said ”this is possible through approval of American government only”. Which means they want to sell us and we can buy them because he didn’t opposed in his answer about the sale of F-35 to India a future user of the S400, means that they want to sell us knowing that we already will be using S400 Triumf.

 

[Dessert Storm]

Looking at the development of 5th and 6th generation fighters, it seems all of them are skewed towards being single seaters. There would/may be twin-seat trainers. However, going forward, won't twin seaters be a more rational choice, given that mid-30s onwards, the fighters would be flying with 'wingman' and 'swarms'. The additional officer, to me, would take substantial workload off the pilot (I am not willing to bet everything on AI as of now).

 

[FalconSlayers]

Looking at the development of 5th and 6th generation fighters, it seems all of them are skewed towards being single seaters. There would/may be twin-seat trainers. However, going forward, won't twin seaters be a more rational choice, given that mid-30s onwards, the fighters would be flying with 'wingman' and 'swarms'. The additional officer, to me, would take substantial workload off the pilot (I am not willing to bet everything on AI as of now).

Yes it will be twin seaters coz to control unmanned wingmen, you need an officer on back seat.

 

[FalconSlayers]

I don’t think AMCA will have any EOTS...
Look...

 

[flanker99]

I don’t think AMCA will have any EOTS...
Look...
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This model has no dsi as well but the ngtd will have them so lets just wait and watch

 

[Paras.Sharma]

I don’t think AMCA will have any EOTS...
Look...
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Buddy, there is no point in looking at model and coming to conclusion
Model is model (snapshot at certain time) and actual aircraft can always have more then what is there in model..

 

[Dessert Storm]

I don’t think AMCA will have any EOTS...
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No info as of now on EOTS. However, do refer to my previous post on sensors.

Distributed Aperture System

AMCA Stealth Tech Expectations

 

[FalconSlayers]

Buddy, there is no point in looking at model and coming to conclusion
Model is model (snapshot at certain time) and actual aircraft can always have more then what is there in model..

Look at the targetting pod, it means it will be external not blended like F-35.

 

[Killbot]

I don’t think AMCA will have any EOTS...
Look...
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Afaik, this is not the final design configuration... Final one has intakes like F-35, for one.. So we dont know yet...?

 

[FalconSlayers]

Illiterate pakistanis don’t even know that ADA and DRDO are making AMCA, not HAL.


at most they can know how we make jets

but still
desh me namak haram log boht zyada hai
pehle nishant agarwal
aur ab yeh

R&AW sach me kuchh nahi karti.

 

[Dessert Storm]

Afaik, this is not the final design configuration... Final one has intakes like F-35, for one.. So we dont know yet...?

Yeah AMCA would have DSI intakes. I posted a video from Defence Decode previously

Negatives with regard to Stealth not really AFAIK. Negatives with regards to thrust, supercruise etc yes. Attaching a video for this.
As per Wikipedia.
Stealth
DSIs improve the aircraft's very-low-observable characteristics by eliminating radar reflections between the diverter and the aircraft's skin.[1] Additionally, the "bump" surface reduces the engine's exposure to radar, significantly reducing a strong source of radar reflection because they provide an additional shielding of engine fans against radar waves.

Analysts have noted that the DSI reduces the need for application of radar-absorbent materials.

 

[Paras.Sharma]

Found some info on EOTS

DRDO newsletter

3rd last para on page 6—

“The HAL AMCA has integrated with latest avionics suite which include AESA radar,Integrated avionics systems, Helmet Mounted Display, Datalink capabilities, IRST, E/O Targeting System (EOTS), Multi-functional integrated radio electronics system (MIRES), ECM Suite, Laser-based counter-measures against infrared missiles, IRST for airborne targets,Ultraviolet warning sensors and Targeting pod.”

 

[FalconSlayers]

Found some info on EOTS

DRDO newsletter

3rd last para on page 6—

“The HAL AMCA has integrated with latest avionics suite which include AESA radar,Integrated avionics systems, Helmet Mounted Display, Datalink capabilities, IRST, E/O Targeting System (EOTS), Multi-functional integrated radio electronics system (MIRES), ECM Suite, Laser-based counter-measures against infrared missiles, IRST for airborne targets,Ultraviolet warning sensors and Targeting pod.”

Link Pls, coz its not mentioned blended like F-35 or external like litening pod.

 

[FalconSlayers]

IRST for airborne targets,Ultraviolet warning sensors and Targeting pod.”

Means it will be external like litening pod coz there will be a dedicated IRST, man I thought F-35 like system capable to catch rockets 1300 miles away and take out ground targets also.

IRST for aerial and external pod for ground is not good yaar, not always will you carry litening but EOTS is always with your aircraft and you can do both air-toxair and air-to-ground at any circumstance, if AMCA doesn’t fly with Litening pod and it has to do a ground attack using its Guns for close air support, then it won’t be able to.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Found some info on EOTS

DRDO newsletter

3rd last para on page 6—

“The HAL AMCA has integrated with latest avionics suite which include AESA radar,Integrated avionics systems, Helmet Mounted Display, Datalink capabilities, IRST, E/O Targeting System (EOTS), Multi-functional integrated radio electronics system (MIRES), ECM Suite, Laser-based counter-measures against infrared missiles, IRST for airborne targets,Ultraviolet warning sensors and Targeting pod.”

I think its fake, EOTS, IRST and Targeting Pod all together in AMCA.
man a real EOTS replaces an IRST and Targeting pod and is like a combination of both but can do better than dedicated IRST and Targeting pods (just wow, something doing 2 jobs in one and doing both better).

https://www.lockheedmartin.com/content/dam/lockheed-martin/mfc/pc/f-35-lightning-ll-eots/mfc-f-35-eots-pc-001.pdf

 

[Paras.Sharma]

I think its fake, EOTS, IRST and Targeting Pod all together in AMCA.
man a real EOTS replaces an IRST and Targeting pod and is like a combination of both but can do better than dedicated IRST and Targeting pods (just wow, something doing 2 jobs in one and doing both better).

Since we own everything in AMCA it can always be upgraded. It may be external for now in MK1, but during increment it can always be updated as internal in future if needed/requested by IAF..

 

[FalconSlayers]

Since we own everything in AMCA it can always be upgraded. It may be external for now in MK1, but during increment it can always be updated as internal in future if needed/requested by IAF..



Yes
Posting above DRDO newspaper content for those who can’t access because of firewall..

It will be useless in 6th gen cos the fighting will be with directed energy weapons, basically we are going in future to fight like past.

 

[FalconSlayers]

It will be useless in 6th gen cos the fighting will be with directed energy weapons, basically we are going in future to fight like past.

Plus external pod will increase RCS.

 

[Paras.Sharma]

It will be useless in 6th gen cos the fighting will be with directed energy weapons, basically we are going in future to fight like past.

Per my understanding real 6th gen is way far ahead in future for China.. in our region it will still be useful for many more years to come