AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

[FalconSlayers]

If the engine of AMCA will be western then how can it incorporate 3D thrust vector Technology as mentioned by AirForce Chief? Only Russia to date has the 3D thrust vector technology and that too fully mature.

Plus sureshots about AMCA
1. Large area display
2. Digital Aperture System
3. Sensor Data Fusion

want to know if F-35 like EOTS will be present in AMCA or not, coz F-35’s EOTS once detected a Ballistic missile 1300 miles away.

plus about the Radar, a separate 5th Gen radar should have been under development coz Uttam is surely not good for 5th Gen aircraft.

What will its EW Capabilities be? Atleast on par with Rafale’s spectra or not?
as AMCA will have Passive stealth with Design, composite materials and RAM Coating and Active stealth by Spectra like EW suite.

at least a next generation jammer should have been made like that of F-35 and F-22 considering we are 20 years late compared to USA. Even South Korea has made its K-FX.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Thats a wrong assessment, MWF is key for successful development of AMCA crucial techs for AMCA will be tested in MWF . And the manufacturing technologies for a fifth generation Aircraft should evolve, for that we need MWF and need experience in manufacturing procedures, we all know HAL is behind in manufacturing, HAL need to create a robust ecosystem at sub systems levels through various vendors, it can only achieve through MWF. Sensor fusion , Unmanned Wingman , integration with other platforms , secure data link/ Software Defined Radio etc need to evolve.I can write atleast three pages on this regard.

MWF itself will be superior to entire Pak Airforce , and will outperform most of the Chinese 4th gen aircraft .

MK1A alone is technologically superior to whole PAF.

 

[Steven Rogers]

If the engine of AMCA will be western then how can it incorporate 3D thrust vector Technology as mentioned by AirForce Chief? Only Russia to date has the 3D thrust vector technology and that too fully mature.

Plus sureshots about AMCA
1. Large area display
2. Digital Aperture System
3. Sensor Data Fusion

want to know if F-35 like EOTS will be present in AMCA or not, coz F-35’s EOTS once detected a Ballistic missile 1300 miles away.

plus about the Radar, a separate 5th Gen radar should have been under development coz Uttam is surely not good for 5th Gen aircraft.

What will its EW Capabilities be? Atleast on par with Rafale’s spectra or not?
as AMCA will have Passive stealth with Design, composite materials and RAM Coating and Active stealth by Spectra like EW suite.

at least a next generation jammer should have been made like that of F-35 and F-22 considering we are 20 years late compared to USA. Even South Korea has made its K-FX.

3D thrust vector is also available with the Americans,british,Japanese other than russians,moreover India's primary concern is a next gen engine that may make AMCA to sustain supercruise....
Who told you all those regarding uttam,uttam as a project has its core RnD in its software and the transmiter recieve modules,once software is mature enough and continues the continued cycle of the development will give rise to various applications in the various platforms itself.
Spectra is this generation technology and AMCA mk2 ew will be more advance than what is available on the Rafale f3r today,though Rafale itself will be the benchmark....

 

[Vishalreddy3]

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[FalconSlayers]

3D thrust vector is also available with the Americans,british,Japanese other than russians,moreover India's primary concern is a next gen engine that may make AMCA to sustain supercruise....
Who told you all those regarding uttam,uttam as a project has its core RnD in its software and the transmiter recieve modules,once software is mature enough and continues the continued cycle of the development will give rise to various applications in the various platforms itself.
Spectra is this generation technology and AMCA mk2 ew will be more advance than what is available on the Rafale f3r today,though Rafale itself will be the benchmark....

Only Russia has 3D thrust vectoring technology for aircrafts, America only has 2D and rest no one in world has thrust vector technology for Aircrafts.

 

[FalconSlayers]

3D thrust vector is also available with the Americans,british,Japanese other than russians,moreover India's primary concern is a next gen engine that may make AMCA to sustain supercruise....
Who told you all those regarding uttam,uttam as a project has its core RnD in its software and the transmiter recieve modules,once software is mature enough and continues the continued cycle of the development will give rise to various applications in the various platforms itself.
Spectra is this generation technology and AMCA mk2 ew will be more advance than what is available on the Rafale f3r today,though Rafale itself will be the benchmark....

We should forget AMCA MK2 currently in discussions, that’s an imagination whereas AMCA is a reality.

I am talking about AMCA not MK2, AMCA should have SPECTRA like EW suite.

 

[Steven Rogers]

Only Russia has 3D thrust vectoring technology for aircrafts, America only has 2D and rest no one in world has thrust vector technology for Aircrafts.

No only Russia has operational aircrafts with the claimed 3d thrust vector in operations,rest I mentioned have demonstrated the 3d thrust vectoring and few of them even offered them in the MMRCA such as the Eurofighter typhoon with the rolls Royce 3d thrust vector....

 

[Steven Rogers]

We should forget AMCA MK2 currently in discussions, that’s an imagination whereas AMCA is a reality.

I am talking about AMCA not MK2, AMCA should have SPECTRA like EW suite.

AMCA mk2 won't be a brand new aircraft over AMCA,of course with many upgrades in software like the today's f35 evolved from the f35 which was inducted 5 years ago..AMCA MK2 is the aircraft which IAF is looking and they will not induct more than 1-2 squadron of mk1 itself given the time frame is too stringent(the time given is probably for the first flight of the types in the airforce than the induction of the type)..

 

[Steven Rogers]

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Wrong thread......

Ha ha,"slotted/circular transmit recieve modules on Russian radar is superior to the box(rectangular)/Vivaldi antenna of the west",what's the next joke it brings with so much promotional videos...

 

[Vishalreddy3]

Wrong thread......

Ha ha,"slotted/circular transmit recieve modules on Russian radar is superior to the box(rectangular)/Vivaldi antenna of the west",what's the next joke it brings with so much promotional videos...

There is no separate thread for Su57, I guess! Hence I posted here.

 

[Steven Rogers]

There is no separate thread for Su57, I guess! Hence I posted here.

There is----> https://defenceforumindia.com/threads/sukhoi-pak-fa.8276/page-371

 

[Vishalreddy3]

Their is----> https://defenceforumindia.com/threads/sukhoi-pak-fa.8276/page-371

Thanks!!!

 

[Karthi]

UK to have further talks with India on the Tempest sixth-gen fighter program at Aero India 2021

British defense giant BAE Systems, Ministry of Defense (MoD) had briefed Indian MoD and IAF officials to gauge the potential for collaboration to have India has an International partner in Britain’s Tempest Sixth Generation Fighter Program in Aero India 2019 and now they are planning to advance talks further with India by making the commercial and financial presentation of the program to get India on board the program.

U.K. and Sweden are the only partner countries who have joined hands to develop Tempest, while France and German have initiated their rival [Future Combat Air System (FCAS)] Sixth Generation Fighter Program and since then the U.K. has been keen to get India on board, but the U.K needs a major International partner not only for financing the program but also as the launch customer of the jets when they’re ready to enter production in 2035.

Idrw.org

 

[FalconSlayers]

PAF will be peanuts in front of IAF by 2030

1. IAF (operational ones and orders only, some are expected orders)

270 Super Sukhoi Su-30 MKI
88 Mikoyan Gurevich MiG-29UPG
50 Mirage-2000 Upgraded
40 Tejas MK1UPG
83 Tejas MK1A
200 Tejas MK2 MWF
100 ORCA (Unconfirmed order, expectations)
150 AMCA
36 Rafale F3R
114 Rafale F4
22 AH-64E Apache
65 LCH
10 MQ-9 Reaper Predator-B
100 Avenger Predator-C
100 Rustom-II (Unconfirmed order, expectations)
150 Ghatak UCAV (Unconfirmed order, expectations)

2. PAF (Operational ones and Orders Only, some might be expected ones)

74 F-16 Block 52 (half of them lacking MLU)
150 Chengdu J-7 (MiG-21 cheap chinese copy)
87 Mirage-III (very old)
92 Mirage-5 (Very old)
50 JF-17 Block-1 (3rd generation)
70 JF-17 Block-2 (4th generation comparable to Tejas MK1)
50 JF-17 Block-3 (4.5 generation comparable to Tejas MK1A)(Orders confirmed)
12 NESCOM Burraq UCAV (A toy carrying ATGMs)
50 WingLoong-II (Cheap chinese copy of MQ-9 Reaper Predator-B)

None of the JF-17s have on board oxygen generation system, which means they will have to refill oxygen in ground to fly even if they have sufficient fuel left.

Obsolete fleet except JF-17 Block-3 (and Block-2 and F-16 to some extent).

 

[FalconSlayers]

Why doesn’t MoD take Boeing’s help and others in AMCA? Their offset fulfilment is still pending for the aircrafts we bought from them.

CAG flags pending defence offset deals: Dassault, Boeing, Russian ROE in list

The CAG mentioned that out of total offset obligations of Rs 66,427 crore between 2007 and 2018, Rs 19,223 worth of offsets should have been discharged. But only Rs 11,396 crore worth of it had been discharged.

indianexpress.com

 

[Steven Rogers]

PAF will be peanuts in front of IAF by 2030

1. IAF (operational ones and orders only, some are expected orders)

270 Super Sukhoi Su-30 MKI
88 Mikoyan Gurevich MiG-29UPG
50 Mirage-2000 Upgraded
40 Tejas MK1UPG
83 Tejas MK1A
200 Tejas MK2 MWF
100 ORCA (Unconfirmed order, expectations)
150 AMCA
36 Rafale F3R
114 Rafale F4
22 AH-64E Apache
65 LCH
10 MQ-9 Reaper Predator-B
100 Avenger Predator-C
100 Rustom-II (Unconfirmed order, expectations)
150 Ghatak UCAV (Unconfirmed order, expectations)

2. PAF (Operational ones and Orders Only, some might be expected ones)

74 F-16 Block 52 (half of them lacking MLU)
150 Chengdu J-7 (MiG-21 cheap chinese copy)
87 Mirage-III (very old)
92 Mirage-5 (Very old)
50 JF-17 Block-1 (3rd generation)
70 JF-17 Block-2 (4th generation comparable to Tejas MK1)
50 JF-17 Block-3 (4.5 generation comparable to Tejas MK1A)(Orders confirmed)
12 NESCOM Burraq UCAV (A toy carrying ATGMs)
50 WingLoong-II (Cheap chinese copy of MQ-9 Reaper Predator-B)

None of the JF-17s have on board oxygen generation system, which means they will have to refill oxygen in ground to fly even if they have sufficient fuel left.

Obsolete fleet except JF-17 Block-3 (and Block-2 and F-16 to some extent).

In the 2030s not by 2030.

 

[Killbot]

AMCA mk2 won't be a brand new aircraft over AMCA,of course with many upgrades in software like the today's f35 evolved from the f35 which was inducted 5 years ago..AMCA MK2 is the aircraft which IAF is looking and they will not induct more than 1-2 squadron of mk1 itself given the time frame is too stringent(the time given is probably for the first flight of the types in the airforce than the induction of the type)..
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Apparently IAF will buy 6 squadrons of Mk 1 and more Mk 2s.

 

[FalconSlayers]

In the 2030s not by 2030.

I am talking about the orders as I mentioned my friend, obviously they be operationalised by 2030s.

 

[Steven Rogers]

Apparently IAF will buy 6 squadrons of Mk 1 and more Mk 2s.

That depends what they are looking for and what they are getting....

 

[Steven Rogers]

I am talking about the orders as I mentioned my friend, obviously they be operationalised by 2030s.

Orders won't be in such a huge numbers for any, currently IAF wants to operate 83LCA,and 100 mk2 in the 2020s followed by 150 AMCA...