AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

[AbRaj]

Asia's one of the finest Jet design was build in india off course with the help of Kurt Tank.
Second HAL tejas indias indigenous tried and tested design from airframe to everything it's designed in india it's delta design is quite modern. Compared to that Chinese haven't designed anything on their own They have sukhoi copies and F-16 Israeli modified copies.

Are you on PDF ??
I really don’t like the way you argue. It’s called bragging , a trait very common among pakis and peedf Indians.

what’s your expertise btw ? You seems very knowledgeable about a wide spectrum of science and beyond that.
Do you have any data to support your claims of HAL Marut and LCA being world’s best or even Dharavi’s best?

 

[Assassin 2.0]

What about j20 then? Does it have any similarities with su27 or f16

No.
But our above fellow member was saying that Chinese have more experience with designing and development prior to their 5th generation jet i was simply saying that they don't have that.
Btw india have already studied and have enough tot to understand Sukhoi Aerodynamics completely.
Americans say that Chinese stole Tot from US for j-20 I'm not going towards that but if Chinese with lesser experience in designing and development have created a non proven 5th generation aircraft but its canards are too big

india will develop 5th generation too.

 

[Rassil Krishnan]

Because we don’t have any exposure to concept of Stealth. Most people think that all it takes is a F22 lookalike structure.

Well structure is one of the things as that kind of body will reflect less radar signal back.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Are you on PDF ??
I really don’t like the way you argue. It’s called bragging , a trait very common among pakis and peedf Indians.

what’s your expertise btw ? You seems very knowledgeable about a wide spectrum of science and beyond.

Brother I'm not bragging and sorry if i said something wrong too you.
I'm not knowable chap broooo.
I learn from people which are here.

 

[AbRaj]

Brother I'm not bringing and sorry if i said something wrong too you.
I'm not knowable chap broooo.
I learn from people here.

That’s what I’m saying. Don’t claim something you don’t have appropriate knowledge.
It’s very counterproductive and lowers your credibility in the discussion. It reduces your status to someone like pakis I used to counter on that god forsaken place

No offence intended bro.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

That’s what I’m saying. Don’t claim something you don’t have appropriate knowledge.
It’s very counterproductive and lowers your credibility in the discussion

But it's true that india designed its own aircraft.
And have shown that capabilities.
Chinese on the other hand have designed and developed only j-20.

 

[AbRaj]

But it's true that india designed its own aircraft.
And have shown that capabilities Chinese on the other hand have designed and developed only j-20.

Again incomplete knowledge and half truths.
Please read more about Chinese aero industries. You seems to have very little knowledge about.
for the starters read the products they have launched in last 5 years

PS: We can counter their propaganda only when we know what is true and what is not.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Again incomplete knowledge and half truths.
Please read more about Chinese aero industries. You seems to have very little knowledge about.
for the starters read the products they have launched in last 5 years

PS: We can counter their propaganda only when we know what is true and what is not.

Shaanxi Y-8 copied from Antonov An-12.
J-7 copied from MIG-21
Shenyang J-11- copied from SU-27
J-16 copied from SU-30
J-10 copied from Israel - 2006, the Russian Siberian Aeronautical Research Institute (SibNIA) confirmed its participation in the J-10 program; SibNIA claimed to have only observed and instructed as "scientific guides", while its engineers also believed the J-10 was "more or less a version" of the IAI Lavi, incorporating "a melting pot of foreign technology and acquired design methods

Russia trolls Chinese J-15
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bu...et-which-beijing-stole-from-moscow-2018-9?amp
Russia rips China's J-15 fighter jet, which Beijing stole from Moscow - Business Insider

In interview tejas pilot said these things-
. Instantaneous turn
“Snaps into it! However, the traditional drag of the delta platform does start showing after a while.”

B. Sustained turn
“Mid mach numbers and mid altitudes, good. Like an aircraft of its size, affected by stores carried.”

C. Acceleration
“Climbs well, and the acceleration is good. The continuing refinement in the drag department is an ongoing process which aims to make this better still. With every drag count being ‘counted’ with a fine tooth comb, it will only get better”

D. Climb rate
“Reasonable and meets the specs laid out.”

E. High alpha performance
“Fabulous! Difficult to enter a difficult situation with respect to this… a very robust control law makes the Tejas a winner here. Do remember though, that comparisons with itsthrust-vector control- equipped Russian cousins would be unfair here. The nose holds up well in low speed fight, and the ALSR makes you trust the aircraft. High angles of attack manoeuvres and reversals are comfortable, albeit with a little ‘barrellish tendency’. Though like any flight control system controlled fighter, the rate of roll and pitch rate does go down with high AoA and/or high pitch angles.”
( which itself tells how successful it's delta wing design is)
If we talk about project released in 5 years then india itself is working on 3 different exclusive projects.
I'm talking about what china's till date main indigenous fighters which are in service.

 

[AbRaj]

Shaanxi Y-8 copied from Antonov An-12.
J-7
Shenyang J-11
J-16
J-10
J-15
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See, even a simple google search helps to improve the knowledge base.
PS: I edited out useless rants so that you can focus on bigger picture here.
Mind you this list is not even half of what they have achieved in last 10 years.

while all we have since last 30 years(+/-) is worlds bestest LCA Tejas designed with the consultation of Dassault Systèmes SE and Lockheed Martin Corp.
PS: No LCA is not a copy of/ inspired by Dassault Mirage.

Also the fictional AMCA looks nothing like F22 copy like dozens of other shown by verious third world countries

 

[Assassin 2.0]

See, even a simple google search helps to improve knowledge.
PS: I edited out useless rants so that you can focus on bigger picture ere.
Mind you this list is not even half of what they ave achieved in last 10 years.

Then at least show me what they have achieved i would like to know that all i know is Chinese aircraft suffer from broken engines.
And even their pet dog is not interested in their copies J-15 and other BS.

This [information] has emerged at the instigation of the Pakistanis and is not true. I suppose that the FSMTC [Russian Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation] and [Russian state arms exporter] Rosoboronexport have already responded, there are no such negotiations," Zamir said.

Earlier, the Pakistani ambassador to Russia told Sputnik that Chief of Air Staff of the Pakistan Air Force Sohail Aman had "fruitful talks" in Moscow in July on purchasing of Russian Su-35.
https://www.defenseworld.net/news/1...For_Su_35_jet_Buy__Russian_Media#.XpWV0RhN3qs

 

[AbRaj]

Then at least show me what they have achieved i would like to know that all i know is Chinese aircraft suffer from broken engines.
And even their pet dog is not interested in their copies J-15 and other BS.

This [information] has emerged at the instigation of the Pakistanis and is not true. I suppose that the FSMTC [Russian Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation] and [Russian state arms exporter] Rosoboronexport have already responded, there are no such negotiations," Zamir said.

Earlier, the Pakistani ambassador to Russia told Sputnik that Chief of Air Staff of the Pakistan Air Force Sohail Aman had "fruitful talks" in Moscow in July on purchasing of Russian Su-35.
https://www.defenseworld.net/news/1...For_Su_35_jet_Buy__Russian_Media#.XpWV0RhN3qs

Again you’re talking all about narrative, which can’t be verified.
Similar to what pakis say about Arjun and Tejas . As per them it is being forced upon IA and IAF.
And system malfunction is pretty much normal. Even F35 has suffered a couple of accidents last year and papprox hundreds of small niggles. Let’s not even talk about Russian products here. Even our mighty Su 30 MKI, which you bragged about for doing screw driving job , is known as hanger queen.

that’s why I m saying mudslinging is counterproductive specially when you are standing in the mud.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Again you’re talking all about narrative, which can’t be verified.
Similar to what pakis say about Arjun and Tejas . As per them it is being forced upon IA and IAF.
And system malfunction is pretty much normal. Even F35 has suffered a couple of accidents last year and papprox hundreds of small niggles. Let’s not even talk about Russian products here. Even our mighty Su 30 MKI, which you bragged about for doing screw driving job , is known as hanger queen.

that’s why I m saying mudslinging is counterproductive specially when you are standing in the mud.

What are you sayin bro?
You told me Chinese designed great aircrafts.
I told you no they have copied them and only J-20 is indigenous designed.
You told me that Chinese have designed great things Russians say the opposite and claim that Chinese have copied the flanker series.
You claimed india took assistance from Dassault what's wrong in that?
It's pretty obvious that india know about SU-30 Aerodynamics.
But in all of this conversation where is the fuckin Chinese designed bro???

I don't care about inbred narrative. IAF exercises showed how capable tejas is.

 

[AbRaj]

What are you sayin bro?
You told me Chinese designed great aircrafts.
I told you no they have copied them and only J-20 is indigenous designed.
You told me that Chinese have designed great things Russians say the opposite and claim that Chinese have copied the flanker series.
You claimed india took assistance from Dassault what's wrong in that?
It's pretty obvious that india know about SU-30 Aerodynamics.
But in all of this conversation where is the fuckin Chinese designed bro???

I don't care about inbred narrative. IAF exercises showed how capable tejas is.

Sorry to say but It seems like you are fighting a war with the keyboard.
Why don’t you try to comprehend what we have discussed.

In the nutshell you are trying to Bragg about the things thay have done decades earlier than you, while simultaneously discrediting what they have achieved in the meantime.

 

[indiatester]

Sorry to say but It seems like you are fighting a war with the keyboard.
Why don’t you try to comprehend what we have discussed.

In the nutshell you are trying to Bragg about the things thay have done decades earlier than you, while simultaneously discrediting what they have achieved in the meantime.

While I agree that we must give enough respect, we should be more focused in finding issues with their aircraft instead of singing songs of their greatness or wallowing in our backwardness.

Can we just focus on the message instead of going after the messenger.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Sorry to say but It seems like you are fighting a war with the keyboard.
Why don’t you try to comprehend what we have discussed.

In the nutshell you are trying to Bragg about the things thay have done decades earlier than you, while simultaneously discrediting what they have achieved in the meantime.

Brother you are wrong and right in two places.
First in designing and base development.
India because of development of totally indigenous design is in better position than china which have till now depended on copies.
And india can ask for some help from it's other partners for some type of assistance for example from Dassault Lockheed Israeli airspace industry for designs.

You are right when we see Chinese are totally ahead of india in raw manufacturing capabilities.
India needs to build manufacturing capability.

 

[fire starter]

Again you’re talking all about narrative, which can’t be verified.
Similar to what pakis say about Arjun and Tejas . As per them it is being forced upon IA and IAF.
And system malfunction is pretty much normal. Even F35 has suffered a couple of accidents last year and papprox hundreds of small niggles. Let’s not even talk about Russian products here. Even our mighty Su 30 MKI, which you bragged about for doing screw driving job , is known as hanger queen.

that’s why I m saying mudslinging is counterproductive specially when you are standing in the mud.

opinion of porkis doesn't matter so it's better u throw them in dustbin . regarding availability rate of su30 it has been increased above 75%.

 

[AbRaj]

While I agree that we must give enough respect, we should be more focused in finding issues with their aircraft instead of singing songs of their greatness or wallowing in our backwardness.

Can we just focus on the message instead of going after the messenger.

Absolutely true. As I said earlier the first step to counter the misinformation is to know the correct information.
Discrediting them is not going to solve anything.

 

[AbRaj]

Brother you are wrong and right in two places.
First in designing and base development.
India because of development of totally indigenous design is in better position than china which have till now depended on copies.
And india can ask for some help from it's other partners for some type of assistance for example from Dassault Lockheed Israeli airspace industry.

You are right when see Chinese are totally ahead of india in raw manufacturing capabilities.
India needs to build manufacturing capability.

focus on the underlined part. Which are what I call half truth. Essentially they have done the same like us. Have you followed the development of J10 and how it has been evolved since it’s induction?
Also do you know how many aircraft’s they have designed before J10?
Read in your free time. I’m sure you will find it interesting.
Also have a look at their weapon development too. Rotary wing platform and UAVs too

 

[indiatester]

Absolutely true. As I said earlier the first step to counter the misinformation is to know the correct information.
Discrediting them is not going to solve anything.

My motivation in saying that is the communist way of thinking that give no credit to any view against the party line. There is some power in that propaganda.
For me to counter that, I will look only at their faults in public.
While good people like you should pay attention to the their advances, we should let loose some shit talkers too.
Yo Momma jokes are important

 

[AbRaj]

My motivation in saying that is the communist way of thinking that give no credit to any view against the party line. There is some power in that propaganda.
For me to counter that, I will look only at their faults in public.
While good people like you should pay attention to the their advances, we should let loose some shit talkers too.
Yo Momma jokes are important

My approach is a bit different. I like to find Holes in their propaganda of invincibility.
But that doesn’t prevent me from reading about what they are doing. It helps me to form opinion regarding the subject. And also helps to understand where we are lagging and what are our strong points.