AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

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Valid points , I have no idea why people are running for fancy designs
Su30mki has a trump card for next gen warfare.
It's second pilot/ weapon system officer. Which is just the right setup to be drone/ wingman command ship. The wso can control drone swarm , launch and guide unmanned wingmans and even counter enenmy drone attacks much more effectively than any single pilot jet could ever do. As single pilot will be too focused in manuvering the jet dodging enemy missiles.
 

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360 degree situational awareness and 360 degree firing option . Awareness is the most important thing especially within enemy territory
And who said that only DAS like individual system can give awareness of the threat,last I read some DARE data days after the ew was tested,it said the ew suite for Tejas is developed in keeping the mind of the fast changing world,they they described the ew suite,how the engine integrates the data from every ew sensor,and projects a unified picture of threat to deal with.....
 

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If used it will have situational awareness match with rafale's one.
Rafale doesn't have DAS, data fusion is the key,what else you think is " integrated" in the EW suite Mayavi being developed for LCA MK2.....IRST and IRPOD is also an important element for the early detection and tracking.....
 

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And who said that only DAS like individual system can give awareness of the threat,last I read some DARE data days after the ew was tested,it said the ew suite for Tejas is developed in keeping the mind of the fast changing world,they they described the ew suite,how the engine integrates the data from every ew sensor,and projects a unified picture of threat to deal with.....


MAWS can detect and track missiles analysing the trajectory MAWS can alert the pilot about the Missile .

But DAS can track missiles , aircrafts and also can cue the Air To air missiles for attack . 360 degree situational awareness and 360 degree night vision and can classify the threats .

Missile launch point detection and cueing of countermeasures .

If the dare MAWS can do all these things then its not MAWS it's DAS
 

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MAWS can detect and track missiles analysing the trajectory MAWS can alert the pilot about the Missile .

But DAS can track missiles , aircrafts and also can cue the Air To air missiles for attack . 360 degree situational awareness and 360 degree night vision and can classify the threats .

Missile launch point detection and cueing of countermeasures .

If the dare MAWS can do all these things then its not MAWS it's DAS
First of all let me tell you something DAS is MAWS working at MWIR,its best performance for any small heat signature such as a2a missile is not more than 5-6 miles and for an aircraft 10-15 miles,their were reports that it detected a ballastic missile launch,but no one is so nut that he will compare a ballastic missile with an a2a missile......DAS(system) has got several additional software modes and system integration which functions close to short range IRST(LIKE OLS27)(due to functioning which at Mid wave) gives the 360 situational awareness in the WVR fight.....it has little to no use in the long range fight and a dedicated IRST working at Long range infra red is more needed in early detection and tracking,given the IRST is also cued with the radar(for the range)..And missile launch detection has been with the MAWS...
 

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First of all let me tell you something DAS is MAWS working at MWIR,its best performance for any small heat signature such as a2a missile is not more than 5-6 miles and for an aircraft 10-15 miles,their were reports that it detected a ballastic missile launch,but no one is so nut that he will compare a ballastic missile with an a2a missile......DAS(system) has got several additional software modes and system integration which functions close to short range IRST(LIKE OLS27)(due to functioning which at Mid wave) gives the 360 situational awareness in the WVR fight.....it has little to no use in the long range fight and a dedicated IRST working at Long range infra red is more needed in early detection and tracking,given the IRST is also cued with the radar(for the range)..And missile launch detection has been with the MAWS...
Finally something sensible. Americans haven't invented something out of ordinary . They have simply connected existing sensors in a more streamlined fashion which go well with stealth aircrafts. Similarly Spectra of rafale is also a better of fusion of existing sensors.
 

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First of all let me tell you something DAS is MAWS working at MWIR,its best performance for any small heat signature such as a2a missile is not more than 5-6 miles and for an aircraft 10-15 miles,their were reports that it detected a ballastic missile launch,but no one is so nut that he will compare a ballastic missile with an a2a missile......DAS(system) has got several additional software modes and system integration which functions close to short range IRST(LIKE OLS27)(due to functioning which at Mid wave) gives the 360 situational awareness in the WVR fight.....it has little to no use in the long range fight and a dedicated IRST working at Long range infra red is more needed in early detection and tracking,given the IRST is also cued with the radar(for the range)..And missile launch detection has been with the MAWS...

DAS is not MAWS it's a combination of FLIR and IRST . F 35 DAS can Detect and Track Heat signatures from 100Km that's what I said if MWF have DAS it will be nice . six MAWS is not equal to Dix DAS Sensor
 

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DAS is not MAWS it's a combination of FLIR and IRST . F 35 DAS can Detect and Track Heat signatures from 100Km that's what I said if MWF have DAS it will be nice . six MAWS is not equal to Dix DAS Sensor
What is the difference bw IRST and MAW itself,modes???and,the hardware theyand the detection principle?AN/AR56 maw sensor which was tested on the f22 also had IRST like feature,and so is the new MAW on spectra Rafale ...As I said earlier,it has IRST modes but for long range,it don't work on Long range infra red wavelength and thus it's range is restricted,in the brochures of NORTHROP itself ,they claim it gives superior situational awareness in the WVR fight and only when cued with the radar it can detect the target at long ranges,which again suggests it is inferior to the irsts on various American and Western aircrafts. In no way A Mid way infrared gonna detect an aircraft at long ranges(100km=62miles). Six ordinary MAWS are definitely not the DAS,but the DAS itself is a derivation from the MAWS.... ..
 

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Finally something sensible. Americans haven't invented something out of ordinary . They have simply connected existing sensors in a more streamlined fashion which go well with stealth aircrafts. Similarly Spectra of rafale is also a better of fusion of existing sensors.
However keeping all the sensors inside and integrating each other to picture an integrated video was first done by them.....as per the requirements....
 

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What is the difference bw IRST and MAW itself,modes???and,the hardware theyand the detection principle?AN/AR56 maw sensor which was tested on the f22 also had IRST like feature,and so is the new MAW on spectra Rafale ...As I said earlier,it has IRST modes but for long range,it don't work on Long range infra red wavelength and thus it's range is restricted,in the brochures of NORTHROP itself ,they claim it gives superior situational awareness in the WVR fight and only when cued with the radar it can detect the target at long ranges,which again suggests it is inferior to the irsts on various American and Western aircrafts. In no way A Mid way infrared gonna detect an aircraft at long ranges(100km=62miles). Six ordinary MAWS are definitely not the DAS,but the DAS itself is a derivation from the MAWS.... ..
It's wrong , As an example In Rafale It's OSF is the primary Air to Air sensor and Radar is primary air to ground sensor .

MWIR is subject to greater atmospher attenuation than LWIR 3-5 Micron in MWIR and 10-12 in LWIR are less subjected to attenuation . Modern IRST useing these two bands to operate . So MWIR MAWS can't do anything to protect the aircraft what's the point of alerting the pilot when the Missile is too near especially in an Air to air combat scenario .

And In Real world IRST range is more than Radar because of atmosphere . DAS useing IRST as a detection device and FLIR as a targetting device which no single MAWS can ever do .

And the IR band itself is opaque to certain materials . SWIR is opaque to glass MWIR and LWIR transparent to germanium and sapphire , you know that's why Mig 35 OLS using Lucco sapphire. The hardware is somewhat different and Software also . And DAS is not MAWS .
 

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It's wrong , As an example In Rafale It's OSF is the primary Air to Air sensor and Radar is primary air to ground sensor .

MWIR is subject to greater atmospher attenuation than LWIR 3-5 Micron in MWIR and 10-12 in LWIR are less subjected to attenuation . Modern IRST useing these two bands to operate . So MWIR MAWS can't do anything to protect the aircraft what's the point of alerting the pilot when the Missile is too near especially in an Air to air combat scenario .

And In Real world IRST range is more than Radar because of atmosphere . DAS useing IRST as a detection device and FLIR as a targetting device which no single MAWS can ever do .

And the IR band itself is opaque to certain materials . SWIR is opaque to glass MWIR and LWIR transparent to germanium and sapphire , you know that's why Mig 35 OLS using Lucco sapphire. The hardware is somewhat different and Software also . And DAS is not MAWS .
Have Read about three types of MAWS . Each have its own shortcomings .

Seems like DAS consists of MAWS as a sensor along with C&F.
 

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No its MILDS F foreign maal indian sticker
most of these mighty Pvt chetoos sellers do that including there God Kalyani.... these Pvt chetoos sellers and there tattu's in establishment make millions and billions for themselves and there looser kids enjoying comfortable life abroad.... Rest are given 24*7 Hindu Muslim , and Chanda in name of wages, jobs and employment.
haramkhors make sure state enterprises either don't work or develope or anything, and if they do make sure to make them go public like they did or are doing with HAL and others ---- I am 100% sure whole establishment is compromised from top to bottom.
 

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It's wrong , As an example In Rafale It's OSF is the primary Air to Air sensor and Radar is primary air to ground sensor .

MWIR is subject to greater atmospher attenuation than LWIR 3-5 Micron in MWIR and 10-12 in LWIR are less subjected to attenuation . Modern IRST useing these two bands to operate . So MWIR MAWS can't do anything to protect the aircraft what's the point of alerting the pilot when the Missile is too near especially in an Air to air combat scenario .

And In Real world IRST range is more than Radar because of atmosphere . DAS useing IRST as a detection device and FLIR as a targetting device which no single MAWS can ever do .

And the IR band itself is opaque to certain materials . SWIR is opaque to glass MWIR and LWIR transparent to germanium and sapphire , you know that's why Mig 35 OLS using Lucco sapphire. The hardware is somewhat different and Software also . And DAS is not MAWS .
No the Radar is primary sensor and IRST is secondary,Rafale carries various pods to carry out a2g missions...for ex talios for the LGB missions ,and other recce pods.
Most people know about that,the long,medium,and short in the LWIR MWIR And SWIR is the wavelength,that means longer the wavelength shorter is the frequency,(f=c/lambda)...the f35's DAS uses MWIR which is effective at short ranges,so what you expect to MAW to do an alert of several minutes,a split second is enough for the awareness,with MAWS the pilot is alerted and has the time to execute the maneuvers....modern IRST use LWIR for longer range detection....
 

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First of all let me tell you something DAS is MAWS working at MWIR,its best performance for any small heat signature such as a2a missile is not more than 5-6 miles and for an aircraft 10-15 miles,their were reports that it detected a ballastic missile launch,but no one is so nut that he will compare a ballastic missile with an a2a missile......DAS(system) has got several additional software modes and system integration which functions close to short range IRST(LIKE OLS27)(due to functioning which at Mid wave) gives the 360 situational awareness in the WVR fight.....it has little to no use in the long range fight and a dedicated IRST working at Long range infra red is more needed in early detection and tracking,given the IRST is also cued with the radar(for the range)..And missile launch detection has been with the MAWS...

If DAS tracked a ballistic missile in 2010 from 800+ miles away, certainly it's capable of easily detecting and tracking smaller A2A missile at 400+ miles range...


And the detection, classification and tracking are all automatic.
 

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If DAS tracked a ballistic missile in 2010 from 800+ miles away, certainly it's capable of easily detecting and tracking smaller A2A missile at 400+ miles range...


And the detection, classification and tracking are all automatic.
Shouldn't jump to conclusions and numbers like that let them release the values for AAM . An IRBMs exhaust plume is many orders of magnitude more than that of an AAM.
 

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An old picture of AMCA the Radom looks larger than F35 and J20 , helps for better aerodynamics in Super sonic Speed and can house a larger Radar .
Cant say about J-20 or F-35, but this is how much bigger it is compared to Tejas radome (comparing size of cockpit), which reportedly has same sized as Rafale.
IMG_20200404_093734.jpg
 

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Its myth that GaN radars can detect stealth.
GaN is just another semiconductor material that scales very well against GaAs based radar giving slightly more range.
but that doesn't mean that it can defy basic physics that's baked in to stealth planes.
Somewhat wrong assessment .

How long the DFI members hang on one or two words without understanding what the whole thing means???
 

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If DAS tracked a ballistic missile in 2010 from 800+ miles away, certainly it's capable of easily detecting and tracking smaller A2A missile at 400+ miles range...


And the detection, classification and tracking are all automatic.
"detection of A2A at 400miles",I don't have emoji option here but that sure attracts those in every form.....
 

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