AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

[wuzetian]

extremely Bad reporting by Indian media ......................ELTA 2052 is already selected for LCA .

I think they are Going to Buy GaN Based AESA Radar From USA (or any other country ) .....................to use in AMCA .

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...es-to-bid-for-tender/articleshow/55949613.cms

Is Uttam a GaN based AESA radar?

 

[airtel]

Is Uttam a GaN based AESA radar?

no .

 

[wuzetian]

no .

Uttam is being tested on which aircraft in the air to air, air to ground modes? Does China have a comparable radar?

 

[wuzetian]

LCA MK1A will have GaN elta2052 AESA where as Jaguars will have GaA elta 2052 AESA, AMCA will have GaN UTTAM AESA based on GaN Elta 2052. No imported AESA radar for AMCA only if world has moved to ROFAR which would be on SU pakfa, India will have to search for radar outside INDIA or that also can wait for MLU for AMCA.

What is ROFAR ? New type of Radar ? Did AESA become obsolete so quickly

 

[airtel]

LCA MK1A will have GaN elta2052 AESA where as Jaguars will have GaA elta 2052 AESA, AMCA will have GaN UTTAM AESA based on GaN Elta 2052. No imported AESA radar for AMCA only if world has moved to ROFAR which would be on SU pakfa, India will have to search for radar outside INDIA or that also can wait for MLU for AMCA.

please share any source that ELTA 2052 also has a GaN based version ................which will be used in LCA Mk-1a .

 

[airtel]

Uttam is being tested on which aircraft in the air to air, air to ground modes? Does China have a comparable radar?

according to Data available on Internet china has GaAs based AESA radar (used in J-20 ) with more than 1856 T/R modules.


if it is true then it is can be a very Good radar .

 

[Chinmoy]

What is ROFAR ? New type of Radar ? Did AESA become obsolete so quickly

ROFAR= Radio Optical Phase Array Radar.......... But really how it would work is just a myth for me till now. Hope @gadeshi or @StealthFlanker could shed some light on it.

But till now this has not yet been designed I think.

 

[lcafanboy]

Elta had proposed elta 2052 AESA to India if it was chosen for 2 of its fighters. India has chosen Jaguars for Gaa AESA and in the meanwhile Elta will upgrade the radar to GaN by 2019 to be used for Tejas mk1a. So Tejas will get GaN version of elta 2052 and Jaguars will get GaA version. Rofar is a PHOTONIC radar. Here are the details:

With new radar the PAK FA fighter can detect any stealth aircraft
January 21, 2016 ALEXANDER KOROLKOV, SPECIAL TO RBTH
In the early 2020s, Russia's fifth-generation PAK FA fighter jet could get a photonics-based radar system using active radio-optical phased array technology (known by its Russian acronym ROFAR). It would be capable of viewing stealth aircraft at distances beyond the range of air-to-air missiles.

A working model of the new radar, which is being developed by the Russian state-owned Radio-Electronic Technologies (KRET) firm, should be presented by the end of 2018.

The main advantage of ROFAR technology is its width of transmission frequency. Whereas the transmission frequency of a modern radar system is at most 10 GHz, with ROFAR it can reach 100 GHz.

How does ROFAR work?
“In practice, this means that ROFAR can produce a detailed 3D image of what is happening hundreds of kilometers away,” said Vladimir Mikheyev, advisor to KRET's first deputy CEO. “For example, at 400 kilometers it can not only see a person, but even recognize their face.”

The exhibition stand of the KRET at the opening of the MAKS 2015. Source: Mikhail Voskresenskiy/RIA Novosti

According to KRET, the future radio-optical phased array antenna known as ROFAR will be half the weight of the conventional radar system currently being developed for the fifth-generation fighter. At the same time, its resolution will be 10 times better, making it possible to “virtually get a TV picture in the radar range.”

Additional advantages
The use of radio-frequency photonic technology allows for a significant reduction of aircraft detectability within the infrared spectrum and of fuel consumption. This is possible due to the high efficiency of the future radar system, which will produce several times less heat, so developers will not have to include an additional powerful cooling system, which would significantly increase the mass of the product and require electricity generated by the aircraft's engines at the cost of burning fuel.


Russia close to completing its F-22 aircraft rival

In addition, it will not be possible to block ROFAR through high-power jamming. For this, the range of the electronic warfare system must be greater than that of the radio receiver, which is physically impossible with photonics-based radar.

If the ROFAR project is successfully completed, the technology will not only be used for airborne radar systems. According to Mikheyev, equipping new or existing Russian naval ships with ROFAR would make it possible to reduce the weight and size of their onboard antenna systems by approximately 80-85 percent.

A fly in the ointment
The announcements from Russian manufacturers sound optimistic, but economic realities, shortcomings in organization and management and difficulties with training and recruiting personnel could hinder the implementation of their ideas. Russia still has difficulties mass-producing airborne active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar systems like those the U.S. already has not only on its fifth-generation F-22 and F-35 fighter aircraft, but also on its upgraded fourth-generation F-16 and F-15 fighters. The only Russian AESA radar system, Zhuk-A, created for the MiG-35, was first presented back in 2009, but as at the end of 2015 was still at the testing stage.

According to KRET, the Russian government has allocated 680 million rubles (about $8.4 million) to the entire ROFAR program. By comparison, the U.S. Department of Defense allocated $110 million dollars to photonics back in 2014, and plans to raise at least as much from private investors.

It is not just Russia and the U.S. who are involved in this technology race. For example, scientists from Italy presented a working model of a photonics-based radar system back in March 2013. And Jean-Loïc Galle, the executive vice president at France's Thales Group, has announced that it is stepping up its work in this area.

With such global competition, the announcements from Russia's KRET that working technology is to be created in the very near future sound almost like a challenge and represent a further test of the capabilities of Russia's defense industry.
http://rbth.com/defence/2016/01/21/...ighter-can-detect-any-stealth-aircraft_561275

You can google more for photonics radar. Russians are ditching AESA for photonics ROFAR radar which is next gen radar system.

 

[wuzetian]

Elta had proposed elta 2052 AESA to India if it was chosen for 2 of its fighters. India has chosen Jaguars for Gaa AESA and in the meanwhile Elta will upgrade the radar to GaN by 2019 to be used for Tejas mk1a. So Tejas will get GaN version of elta 2052 and Jaguars will get GaA version. Rofar is a PHOTONIC radar. Here are the details:

With new radar the PAK FA fighter can detect any stealth aircraft
January 21, 2016 ALEXANDER KOROLKOV, SPECIAL TO RBTH
In the early 2020s, Russia's fifth-generation PAK FA fighter jet could get a photonics-based radar system using active radio-optical phased array technology (known by its Russian acronym ROFAR). It would be capable of viewing stealth aircraft at distances beyond the range of air-to-air missiles.

A working model of the new radar, which is being developed by the Russian state-owned Radio-Electronic Technologies (KRET) firm, should be presented by the end of 2018.

The main advantage of ROFAR technology is its width of transmission frequency. Whereas the transmission frequency of a modern radar system is at most 10 GHz, with ROFAR it can reach 100 GHz.

How does ROFAR work?
“In practice, this means that ROFAR can produce a detailed 3D image of what is happening hundreds of kilometers away,” said Vladimir Mikheyev, advisor to KRET's first deputy CEO. “For example, at 400 kilometers it can not only see a person, but even recognize their face.”

The exhibition stand of the KRET at the opening of the MAKS 2015. Source: Mikhail Voskresenskiy/RIA Novosti

According to KRET, the future radio-optical phased array antenna known as ROFAR will be half the weight of the conventional radar system currently being developed for the fifth-generation fighter. At the same time, its resolution will be 10 times better, making it possible to “virtually get a TV picture in the radar range.”

Additional advantages
The use of radio-frequency photonic technology allows for a significant reduction of aircraft detectability within the infrared spectrum and of fuel consumption. This is possible due to the high efficiency of the future radar system, which will produce several times less heat, so developers will not have to include an additional powerful cooling system, which would significantly increase the mass of the product and require electricity generated by the aircraft's engines at the cost of burning fuel.


Russia close to completing its F-22 aircraft rival

In addition, it will not be possible to block ROFAR through high-power jamming. For this, the range of the electronic warfare system must be greater than that of the radio receiver, which is physically impossible with photonics-based radar.

If the ROFAR project is successfully completed, the technology will not only be used for airborne radar systems. According to Mikheyev, equipping new or existing Russian naval ships with ROFAR would make it possible to reduce the weight and size of their onboard antenna systems by approximately 80-85 percent.

A fly in the ointment
The announcements from Russian manufacturers sound optimistic, but economic realities, shortcomings in organization and management and difficulties with training and recruiting personnel could hinder the implementation of their ideas. Russia still has difficulties mass-producing airborne active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar systems like those the U.S. already has not only on its fifth-generation F-22 and F-35 fighter aircraft, but also on its upgraded fourth-generation F-16 and F-15 fighters. The only Russian AESA radar system, Zhuk-A, created for the MiG-35, was first presented back in 2009, but as at the end of 2015 was still at the testing stage.

According to KRET, the Russian government has allocated 680 million rubles (about $8.4 million) to the entire ROFAR program. By comparison, the U.S. Department of Defense allocated $110 million dollars to photonics back in 2014, and plans to raise at least as much from private investors.

It is not just Russia and the U.S. who are involved in this technology race. For example, scientists from Italy presented a working model of a photonics-based radar system back in March 2013. And Jean-Loïc Galle, the executive vice president at France's Thales Group, has announced that it is stepping up its work in this area.

With such global competition, the announcements from Russia's KRET that working technology is to be created in the very near future sound almost like a challenge and represent a further test of the capabilities of Russia's defense industry.
http://rbth.com/defence/2016/01/21/...ighter-can-detect-any-stealth-aircraft_561275

You can google more for photonics radar. Russians are ditching AESA for photonics ROFAR radar which is next gen radar system.

Thank you for this update ,didn't know much about this type of Radar till now . What is the Indian development in this regard ? Does anyone know about it ?

 

[StealthFlanker]

Elta had proposed elta 2052 AESA to India if it was chosen for 2 of its fighters. India has chosen Jaguars for Gaa AESA and in the meanwhile Elta will upgrade the radar to GaN by 2019 to be used for Tejas mk1a. So Tejas will get GaN version of elta 2052 and Jaguars will get GaA version. Rofar is a PHOTONIC radar. Here are the details:

With new radar the PAK FA fighter can detect any stealth aircraft
January 21, 2016 ALEXANDER KOROLKOV, SPECIAL TO RBTH
In the early 2020s, Russia's fifth-generation PAK FA fighter jet could get a photonics-based radar system using active radio-optical phased array technology (known by its Russian acronym ROFAR). It would be capable of viewing stealth aircraft at distances beyond the range of air-to-air missiles.

A working model of the new radar, which is being developed by the Russian state-owned Radio-Electronic Technologies (KRET) firm, should be presented by the end of 2018.

The main advantage of ROFAR technology is its width of transmission frequency. Whereas the transmission frequency of a modern radar system is at most 10 GHz, with ROFAR it can reach 100 GHz.

How does ROFAR work?
“In practice, this means that ROFAR can produce a detailed 3D image of what is happening hundreds of kilometers away,” said Vladimir Mikheyev, advisor to KRET's first deputy CEO. “For example, at 400 kilometers it can not only see a person, but even recognize their face.”

The exhibition stand of the KRET at the opening of the MAKS 2015. Source: Mikhail Voskresenskiy/RIA Novosti

According to KRET, the future radio-optical phased array antenna known as ROFAR will be half the weight of the conventional radar system currently being developed for the fifth-generation fighter. At the same time, its resolution will be 10 times better, making it possible to “virtually get a TV picture in the radar range.”

Additional advantages
The use of radio-frequency photonic technology allows for a significant reduction of aircraft detectability within the infrared spectrum and of fuel consumption. This is possible due to the high efficiency of the future radar system, which will produce several times less heat, so developers will not have to include an additional powerful cooling system, which would significantly increase the mass of the product and require electricity generated by the aircraft's engines at the cost of burning fuel.


Russia close to completing its F-22 aircraft rival

In addition, it will not be possible to block ROFAR through high-power jamming. For this, the range of the electronic warfare system must be greater than that of the radio receiver, which is physically impossible with photonics-based radar.

If the ROFAR project is successfully completed, the technology will not only be used for airborne radar systems. According to Mikheyev, equipping new or existing Russian naval ships with ROFAR would make it possible to reduce the weight and size of their onboard antenna systems by approximately 80-85 percent.


http://rbth.com/defence/2016/01/21/...ighter-can-detect-any-stealth-aircraft_561275

You can google more for photonics radar. Russians are ditching AESA for photonics ROFAR radar which is next gen radar system.

What a fuck load of proparganda nonsense , this is what happened when you got journalist who dont understand what the heck they talking about

And why was my post about photonic radar moved to here : http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/combat-aircraft-technology-and-evolution.47398/page-21 ?

 

[wuzetian]

Does India have any indigenous IRST (Infra red search and tracking system )development program

 

[ezsasa]

Does India have any indigenous IRST (Infra red search and tracking system )development program

Check www.tonboimaging.com
This is a Bangalore based startup, with their own IP on imaging tech. Tonbo has a 100 million USD book order.

There are five to six such private companies which supply imaging tech to forces, apart from the govt companies .

 

[Chinmoy]

What a fuck load of proparganda nonsense , this is what happened when you got journalist who dont understand what the heck they talking about

And why was my post about photonic radar moved to here : http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/combat-aircraft-technology-and-evolution.47398/page-21 ?

Now you know what confused me that much................

The journalist might have found out a way to modulate visible spectrum over radio waves...

 

[airtel]

The wings resemble Nortrop YF-23's structure. I do seriously dream something like that even if it means a JV with Northrop.

Somewhere in Walk the Talk show with HAL, I'd seen glimpse of something similar

this is the final design ...............

 

[wuzetian]

this is the final design ...............

View attachment 12517

It's nose cone so much bigger than any of the 5th gen fighters

 

[StealthFlanker]

It's nose cone so much bigger than any of the 5th gen fighters

How can you even compare nose cone size from that blurry picture ?

 

[airtel]

It's nose cone so much bigger than any of the 5th gen fighters

How can you even compare nose cone size from that blurry picture ?

yes it looks longer .

may be it is better visible on twitter

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Get AMCA design checked by Pradyuman das and LSA designer VSTOL JOCKEY the LSA designer. They can do a great value addition. Infact VSTOL JOCKEY said that LSA design is such advance that there is no need of AMCA.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

I recommend EJ 230 engine for AMCA.

 

[Jagdish58]

Get AMCA design checked by Pradyuman das and LSA designer VSTOL JOCKEY the LSA designer. They can do a great value addition. Infact VSTOL JOCKEY said that LSA design is such advance that there is no need of AMCA.

What is LSA?? New fighter design??