Air Combat in Syria

[Jagdish58]

In a bid to strengthen the Russian air campaign, another Syrian ally -- China -- is now planning to deploy Shenyang J-15, a carrier-based fighter aircraft, in Syria.

Several reports have stated that Beijing has agreed to join the Russian air campaign. The development has come mere days after Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi told a UN Security Council meeting that the world can no longer afford to stand by and look on with folded arms but must also not "arbitrarily interfere" in the Syrian crisis.

The Israeli military and intelligence news website DEBKAfile has now claimed that the Chinese are preparing to join Russia. The Jerusalem-based news website noted that the "J-15 warplanes will take off from the Chinese Liaoning-CV-16 aircraft carrier, which reached Syrian shores on 26 September."

According to Infowars, the Russian and Chinese joint airstrikes plan to target CIA's proxy jihadists, including the Isis in Syria. In recent weeks, the reports suggested that several Chinese military advisers are already in Syria.

It has also been reported that Russia has been able to negotiate with the Syrians to give them an exclusive access to some of the largest oil and gas fields in return of the Russian air force; however, there is no clarity as to why are the Chinese joining the air campaign.

While China also has stakes in Syria's oil industry -- where its state-owned China National Petroleum Corporation holds shares in two of Syria's largest oil companies, another Chinese company Sinochem owns 50% share in Syrian oil fields.

However, only time will tell what deals China has been offered by the desperate Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, who now justs wants to save himself from being forced out of power.

http://www.ibtimes.co.in/russia-syr...join-russian-air-campaign-against-isis-649207

 

[jouni]

You don't even know, how you are right!
Finland was a part of Russian Empire with widest authonomy among the others.
Finnish soldiers had found much glory serving the Emperor and making friendship and respect among Russians.
Even Mannergheim was Russian Army general, very respected one.
So, when I've tould you about Stalins decisions about Finland, I've beared in mind Stalins respect to Mannergheim for his position and actions before, during and after the Winter War. Mannergheim didn't allowed Germans to approach Leningrad through Finnish positions to cut one of the Life Roads to blocked city, which had saved thousands of lives. Stalin didn't allowed full-scale bombing of Helsinki and havent reintegrated Finland into USSR in return.
This costs much for both countries.

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Yes, I agree that five years of war is a small sidestep in our history with Russia which is essencially over one thousand years old. Regarding not joining Finland to USSR I am thankful to Stalin´s mercy, of course it helped him with his decision that our army destroyed first 15 divisions that tried to do just that.

 

[pmaitra]

It is unclear what all the different clips refer to. Some of them might be strikes by the Syria Air Force, while some by the Russian Air Force.

 

[gadeshi]

Yes, I agree that five years of war is a small sidestep in our history with Russia which is essencially over one thousand years old. Regarding not joining Finland to USSR I am thankful to Stalin´s mercy, of course it helped him with his decision that our army destroyed first 15 divisions that tried to do just that.

There were no 15 divisions on Finnish front during Winter war
Wehad heavy human losses when army had been getting to Mannergheim line through the forests, but not 15 divisions for sure Once army has managed to close to Mannergheim line, light and main tanks had not managed to break it due to guns inefficient for fortifications destruction. However, when KV-1-85 and SPG on its base have arived, they have quickly broken the line and Finland has signed capitulation.
Stalin has not tighten the grip and Finland has lost minimum of its territory that Stalin has initially going to exchange to a soviet one.

 

[gadeshi]

It is unclear what all the different clips refer to. Some of them might be strikes by the Syria Air Force, while some by the Russian Air Force.

I refere on Russian MOD videos first of all.

 

[Sameet2]

That and 20:1 kill ratio against RedArmy Air Force.

Dont waste your life with a troll !

 

[jouni]

Dont waste your life with a troll !

Sorry my mistake, it was 20:1 when also anti aircraft artillery victories were counted.


According to Kalevi Keskinen's and Kari Stenman's book Aerial Victories 1–2", the Finnish Air Force shot down 1,621 Soviet aircraft while losing 210 of its own aircraft during the Continuation War.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Air_Force

 

[gadeshi]

Sorry my mistake, it was 20:1 when also anti aircraft artillery victories were counted.


According to Kalevi Keskinen's and Kari Stenman's book Aerial Victories 1–2", the Finnish Air Force shot down 1,621 Soviet aircraft while losing 210 of its own aircraft during the Continuation War.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Air_Force

Pedivikia is not a reliable source, you know?

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[jouni]

There were no 15 divisions on Finnish front during Winter war
Wehad heavy human losses when army had been getting to Mannergheim line through the forests, but not 15 divisions for sure Once army has managed to close to Mannergheim line, light and main tanks had not managed to break it due to guns inefficient for fortifications destruction. However, when KV-1-85 and SPG on its base have arived, they have quickly broken the line and Finland has signed capitulation.
Stalin has not tighten the grip and Finland has lost minimum of its territory that Stalin has initially going to exchange to a soviet one.

Obviously you do not know the difference between capitulation and negotiated peace. Also I was referring to key battles in both Winter War and Continuation war where in key moments we won all the battles and thus negotiated peace was achieved. Ok, these are small things compared to Soviet losses against Germans, so I do not want to overdue this.

 

[jouni]

Pedivikia is not a reliable source, you know?

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You can check the original sources as you wish. Is it so difficult for you to accept that against our army and our terrain Red Army was almost a joke. Not to take anything away from brave soldiers. Just like today they were then taken by fools by their leaders.

 

[pmaitra]

This thread is not for discussing the Russo-Finnish War. Please take care to read the thread title before commenting.

 

[gadeshi]

Yesterdays report from Russian MOD:

 

[Jagdish58]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...utin-Spetsnaz-Syria-special-forces-airstrikes
End of ISIS? Putin sends in his most ruthless special forces killers to finish off jihadis

 

[Jagdish58]

'We are seeking bigger role for Russia than Americans' - Iraq defense committee chairman

Baghdad, Russia’s ally in its fight against ISIS, wants Russia to have a bigger role in the anti-terrorist campaign in Iraq than the US and may soon officially request to start airstrikes on its soil, the chairman of Iraqi parliament’s defense committee said.


"We might be forced to ask Russia to launch airstrikes in Iraq soon. I think in the upcoming few days or weeks Iraq will be forced to ask Russia to launch airstrikes and that depends on their success in Syria," said Hakim al-Zamili, Reuters reported.

"We are seeking to see Russia having a bigger role in Iraq... Yes, definitely a bigger role than the Americans," Zamili said.

The Iraqi official told RIA Novosti that the decision would depend on how efficient the Russian campaign in Syria proved to be.


Russia last week started carrying out airstrikes in Syria against the positions of Islamic State, a terrorist group originating in Iraq, which also grew a power base in neighboring Syria and launched a surprise offensive in Iraq, taking control of large parts of both countries.

Iraq is supporting the campaign by sharing intelligence with Russia through a communication center in Baghdad. Iran and Syria are also part of the center.

According to Zamili, the center’s role may be expanded to coordinate Russia’s future airstrikes in Iraq.


Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi told France 24 on Tuesday that his government would welcome Russian warplanes in Iraq.

Valentina Matvienko, the speaker for the upper chamber of the Russian parliament, which has the constitutional authority to green-light military operations in foreign countries, said that Russia may consider such a request.


Russia and the US are trying to settle their differences in stance on Syria by establishing intelligence exchanges that would prevent potential incidents in Syrian airspace. Moscow has also invited Washington to share its intelligence on ISIS targets, saying it would benefit the Russian effort.

The Iraqi government, which has been a close ally of the US since its occupation by American troops in 2003, is part of the US-led anti-ISIS coalition. The US provides weapons, training and intelligence to the Iraqi troops fighting against ISIS militants, although so far the Iraqi army has failed to stop the jihadists from expanding their territory.

Last week US Ambassador to NATO Douglas Lute voiced concerns about the possible deployment of Russian warplanes to Iraq, claiming it could complicate the situation.

“Whether it is political, airspace, US-Iraqi operations, it is just dramatically more complex when you have the Russian presence there, especially since we don't actually know yet what it is they intend to do,” he told an audience at the Carnegie Council.

“As a military alliance, we look at these complicating factors and we say, you know, things just got a lot messier.”


https://www.rt.com/news/317853-iraq-russia-airstrikes-isis/

 

[gadeshi]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...utin-Spetsnaz-Syria-special-forces-airstrikes
End of ISIS? Putin sends in his most ruthless special forces killers to finish off jihadis

This is fake.
Only Iranian and Syrian army and special forces will fight in ground missions.

 

[gadeshi]

Russian helicopters in Syria:

 

[gadeshi]

Turkish AF incident explanations:

 

[gadeshi]

A great report from Hmeymym AB from RT (a lot of photos):
http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/68788/

 

[Jagdish58]

This is fake.
Only Iranian and Syrian army and special forces will fight in ground missions.

There will be Russian special force already to protect Latakia airbase and carry out rescue ops if pilot is shotdown
Never know many didn't expect Russia to conduct air strike outside ex soviet border , but they did ,they might deploy special force to capture key strategic installation

 

[gadeshi]

There will be Russian special force already to protect Latakia airbase and carry out rescue ops if pilot is shotdown
Never know many didn't expect Russia to conduct air strike outside ex soviet border , but they did ,they might deploy special force to capture key strategic installation

No, Russian officials had stated this clearly in press releases several times.