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India's Agni vs China's Dongfeng missile: Which is more powerful

Friday, August 11, 2017 By: One India Source Link: CLICK HERE






War is the worst possible outcome of a diplomatic fallout between two countries and any nation would like to avoid it all costs. It not only results in massive loss of lives but also drains a country economically, pushing its development back by decades.

When two nuclear powers with sufficiently developed ballistic missile programs lock horns over an issue that can potentially spiral-out into a military conflict, all diplomatic options must be explored to ensure that peace prevails.

India and China are involved in a standoff at Doklam, near Sikkim, for close to two-months now. Both sides, despite being engaged in talks at different levels, are also indulging in a fair bit of chest thumping which is not sending a good signal to the international community.

China's statement hinting that military action could be considered if India does not pull back its troops from Doklam has left many people wondering whether India and China will go to war. Well, it seems highly unlikely as both nations have matured leadership, but it wouldn't do any harm to try and understand India and China's ballistic missile capabilities.


Agni missiles: How far can they strike in Chinese territory?

Agni series has five missiles with varying strike capabilities and ranges. Agni 1 is a single stage solid fuel missile with a range of 1250 kms while Agni 2, an improvement of Agni 1, is a two-stage missile capable of striking targets 2000 kms away. Agni 2, if launched from a strategic location, can target western, central, and southern China.

Agni 4, however, can strike targets in nearly all of China, including Beijing, provided they are launched from the northeast. All the missiles in the Agni series are capable of carrying nuclear warheads.

On 19 April 2012, India made its entry into the Intercontinental ballistic Missile (ICBM) club after the successful test launch of its indigenous Agni V missile.

Time and again International defence experts, especially the Chinese, have claimed that India has been understating the range of its intercontinental ballistic missile Agni-5. India initially did not divulge the exact range that the missile can strike but later DRDO hinted that it has the capability to reach 5,000 kms.

Chinese experts say that the missile actually has the potential to reach targets 8,000 kilometres away and that the Indian government had deliberately downplayed the missile's capability in order to avoid causing concern to other countries.

If the 8000 kms theory is true then India can strike whole of China even if the missile is launched from Southern India. Agni-V also features Multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle (MIRVs) with each missile being capable of carrying 2-10 separate nuclear warheads. Each warhead can be assigned to a different target.

One of the main advantages of Agni missiles are that they all use solid fuel which greatly reduces their launch time. If the missile is fitted to a mobile launcher, it can be launched within minutes. Some of the Chinese missiles use liquid propellant, which take time to launch compared to solid fuelled missiles because of the time needed to fuel the missile.


China's Dongfeng: Lethal missiles that can reach even the United States:

Dongfeng is a family of missiles developed by China consists of short, medium, intermediate-range and intercontinental ballistic missiles. Development of Dongfeng missiles started in the 1950s with Soviet assistance after signing of Sino-Soviet Treaty of Friendship, Alliance and Mutual Assistance in 1950.

Dongfeng 1 and Dongfeng 2 were the first two developed in this missile family with ranges of 500 kms and 1,250 kms respectively. Both were in use in the 1960s but are not in operation anymore.

Dongfeng 3 or DF 3, considered to be a copy of soviet R-14 Chusovaya missile, had a range of 2,500 kms, but even this has been retired from the service and replaced by DF 21. Dongfeng 4 and 5 were also developed, while the former will be replaced by DF-31 and the latter has an improved version, DF-5A, that can carry nuclear warheads over 12,000 kms.

Several other missiles in the series also exist but is our concerns are DF-21, DF-26 and DF-31.

China has reportedly admitted that India's Agni-V is comparable to its DF-26 ICBM which is also nicknamed Guam Killer. The IRBM, with a reported range of 3,500 km, has the ability to reach a major US base in Guam in the western Pacific.

DF-26, a two-stage solid fuel rocket IRBM, measures 14 meters long with a diameter of 1.4 meters and a launch weight of 20 tonnes. It can carry a nuclear or conventional warhead that weighs 1,200-1,800 kilograms and has an estimated maximum range of more than 5,000 km.


Is India developing a 12,000 kms range missile - Surya?

Well, there is no confirmation from DRDO as of now but many are speculating that India is working on a long-range ICBM capable of striking targets 12,000 kms away. Some say that it is Agni-6 while others say it might be named Surya. It is likely to be a three-stage missile with first stage being borrowed from ISRO's PSLV. If this is true, then it is sure to send shivers down enemy's spine.


Conclusion:

So, Chinese missiles can reach whole of India and what goes against India is that it is not accurately known how many Agni 4 or Agni 5 are in service. We must understand that test firing a missile is totally different from it being ready for deployment.
One also has to bear in mind that before comparing missile development programs, we must consider where the starting line was. China's program began way back in 50s with Russian help while India's program is totally indigenous.
http://www.defencenews.in/article/I...ongfeng-missile-Which-is-more-powerful-283628
Conclusion of the author are vague and shallow. Production of nukes can be increased given we have surplus fissile material. Every time there is tension the cogs get extra lube.

Our ambiguity is not an hindrance but deterrence. Only an arm chair expert would draw doubt as we are not disclosing the numbers. The real people who trace and track our nukes, hate it.

Agni series are most advanced when it comes to targeting and flight profile with circular error probability of 2 digits in meters. The production rate is as good as Chinese or Russian can clock. One can take hint from ISRO.

Chinese have advantage when it comes to conventional package that they can deliver in large number (not including MIRV) using their ballistic missile inventory. India is getting there slowly, as Nuclear package delivery is being sorted out first.
 

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Conclusion of the author are vague and shallow. Production of nukes can be increased given we have surplus fissile material. Every time there is tension the cogs get extra lube.

Our ambiguity is not an hindrance but deterrence. Only an arm chair expert would draw doubt as we are not disclosing the numbers. The real people who trace and track our nukes, hate it.

Agni series are most advanced when it comes to targeting and flight profile with circular error probability of 2 digits in meters. The production rate is as good as Chinese or Russian can clock. One can take hint from ISRO.

Chinese have advantage when it comes to conventional package that they can deliver in large number (not including MIRV) using their ballistic missile inventory. India is getting there slowly, as Nuclear packagedelivery is being sorted out first.
Whats stopping the range? Or is it understated?
 

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Whats stopping the range? Or is it understated?
I will go by what they publicly announce. And in my understanding it's good enough to look after our immediate and near future threats.

IMO one word that can describe the range constrains is the 'Software'.

Every extra 100 meter added is a new coding, new calculations, new flight profile and an update in the software. Even when it can be done in Labs. the same needs validation i.e. testing. The range we hail to cover is too much in hand to add in variables that going for bigger range will require more men hours.

The hardship to increase the range in terms of developing new and efficient motors, fuel, casting, aerodynamics, canisterisation, storage, infrastructure and testing will require men hours as well but there are certainly no impediments in terms of sophistication and know hows.

A general view here is that we can tweak with weight of the package to increase the range. I am personally not too sure about this because that will still require profile for longer flight and the target. If that is possible then it's still a make shift arrangement, a compromise; should not be considered as capability.
 
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I will go by what they publicly announce. And in my understanding it's good enough to look after our immediate and near future threats.

IMO one word that can describe the range constrains is the 'Software'.

Every extra 100 meter added is a new coding, new calculations, new flight profile and an update in the software. Even when it can be done in Labs. the same needs validation i.e. testing. The range we hail to cover is too much in hand to add in variables that going for bigger range will require more men hours.

The hardship to increase the range in terms of developing new and efficient motors, fuel, casting, aerodynamics, canisterisation, storage, infrastructure and testing will require men hours as well but there are certainly no impediments in terms of sophistication and know hows.

A general view here is that we can tweak with weight of the package to increase the range. I am personally not too sure about this because that will still require profile for longer flight and the target. If that is possible then it's still a make shift arrangement, a compromise; should not be considered as capability.
I wasn't clear. I was asking really about Agni 6s and so fourth.
 

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This is the actual cannister of Agni V, not that slim & tall cannister which looks like prototype cannister for Agni II/II Prime (IV). But yes, there will be Agni IV Cannister test soon.
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Because of the distant angle of capture it looks like that. It is painted in army green colour and compare the diameter of canister with trailer chassis.
 

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Isn't a tractor like arrangement going to be very conspicuous? I was really hoping they could disguise it as Semi-trailers.
 

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Lets clear the smoke.. Its not about distant or angle. Carefully look at the two pics.
Agni 5 cannister have 2 and a half segment.
While the mysterious cannister have 3 and a half sections
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BOTH THE IMAGES ARE VERY OLD
This mysterious 3 and a half section cannister was probably meant for Agni II / Agni IV and was scrapped for unknown reasons, however as per my latest info, DRDO is indeed making a proper & modern cannister for Agni IV which could be tested by this year.
 

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Lets clear the smoke.. Its not about distant or angle. Carefully look at the two pics.
Agni 5 cannister have 2 and a half segment.
While the mysterious cannister have 3 and a half sections
View attachment 19260 View attachment 19261
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BOTH THE IMAGES ARE VERY OLD
This mysterious 3 and a half section cannister was probably meant for Agni II / Agni IV and was scrapped for unknown reasons, however as per my latest info, DRDO is indeed making a proper & modern cannister for Agni IV which could be tested by this year.
Look at these two pics

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This it appears second image does not show full canister.
 

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first phase of Agni 5 missiles had 48 missiles on wheel TEL and same numbers on Trains. These trains moves in night under heavy security. Plus some unspecified number of duel wheel and train special TEL. So 150 China specific missiles were ready some few years ago. This number does not include what would be under or over sea.
Sir, by trains you mean on the railway lines?
There are 48 canisters with A5, in 48 trains, running along the length of the Indian rail lines??
 

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Sir, by trains you mean on the railway lines?
There are 48 canisters with A5, in 48 trains, running along the length of the Indian rail lines??
Only if the trains don't get derailed.
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