ADA Tejas Mark-II/Medium Weight Fighter

[Bleh]

prototype roll out will be 2027ish first flight 2028-29 ish, IOC 2030-31, induction 2032+

Bear in mind that Tejas MK2 will replace the Mirage 2000 and Mig 29 from the mid 2030s.

Tejas Mk 1A is replacing the Mig 21 and Jaguar squadrons.

AMCA is the new MRFA.

I too think they're facing challenges that'll lead to delays... That's why this extra 97 Mark 1As.

 

[raju1982]

Stop mk2 and in war like scenario produce more mk1As Or harder to produce and costly AMCA Or beg for more rafales from firance?
Who will phase out 4.5 gen with 6th gen?
Murica plans about 300 NGAD will it replace 1000s of f16s?
Or china that is still producing j11B/15/16/16Ds/10C and effectively working on better versions of them as we speak?
Kamikaze drones are goods and so are UCAVs but how and where have you seen UCAVs achieving air superiority?
How will we counter china with drones?
How will drones be used against air superiority platforms like j11s and 20s?
Drones will complement the fleet not replace the fighters.
Dassault has a roadmap to keep rafales relevant till 2070s.
If drones become better than fighters in every aspect just make the mk2s OMCA like.
Also let's not forget the commonality of parts b/w mk2 and AMCA.
Whenever it may it will be one of the most advanced 4.5th gen fighter.

No AMCA before 2040 if first flight in 2030 or so, thn with what IAF will face initial PLAAF attacks? LCA mk2? Xiter is provocating every way.


In 2019, IAF did not have answer for AIM-120C5 armed F-16 from Pakistan which is 10 times smaller. Do you want repeat of that?

 

[raju1982]

I too think they're facing challenges that'll lead to delays... That's why this extra 97 Mark 1As.

India's industrial maturity specially HAL is nowhere near West or even Chinese. Have visited both. That could be one of the reason

 

[Gyyan]

No AMCA before 2040 if first flight in 2030 or so, thn with what IAF will face initial PLAAF attacks? LCA mk2? Xiter is provocating every way.

How did you arrive at no AMCA before 2040?
Mk2 funds are late we don't know when funds for AMCA will be released.
Also what will IAF face initial attacks if war happens let's say tomorrow.
Also when will India get it's first jets if IAF let's say concludes MRFA tommorow?
What great things cancelation of mk2 will achieve?

 

[Blademaster]

prototype roll out will be 2027ish first flight 2028-29 ish, IOC 2030-31, induction 2032+

Bear in mind that Tejas MK2 will replace the Mirage 2000 and Mig 29 from the mid 2030s.

Tejas Mk 1A is replacing the Mig 21 and Jaguar squadrons.

AMCA is the new MRFA.

Only if we can get the Kaveri engine program back on track and produce working engines. Otherwise we are dead in the water. USA will not allow the GE-414 engine to be locally manufactured in India without major concessions that India cannot or should not make.

 

[RocketMan]

I dont think it will be before 2035, keep in mind ADA's history. India will be the only economy with $10 trillion size that will introduce a brand new 4.5 gen fighter in 2035. Advanced economies around the world will start phasing out them with 6th gen fighter.

Gen Rawat alwyas talked about "Leaner & meaner" force. What about that? We must move towards that. Stop mk2, induct more mk1a or mk1b, full focus on AMCA ans UCAVs.

UCAVs, kamakz drones are key to win future wars, Ukraine and upcoming Taiwan wars will show that.

we need more squadrons of multirole fighters ASAP !

 

[raju1982]

How did you arrive at no AMCA before 2040?
Mk2 funds are late we don't know when funds for AMCA will be released.
Also what will IAF face initial attacks if war happens let's say tomorrow.
Also when will India get it's first jets if IAF let's say concludes MRFA tommorow?
What great things cancelation of mk2 will achieve?

After first flight for a 5th gen fighter it takes minimum 10 years for FOC induction with all sorts of certifications and validations.

If war happens tomorrow IAF does have good chance with Rafale vs J-20 thanks to Meteor or Spectra. After 5 years, We dont know for sure as Chinese MIC mature more specially according to West they afe going thru huge advancements.

We need leaner and meaner force, to balance the power. May not have 1000s like China but few 100s of combined ultra modern can be indestructable deterrent

 

[raju1982]

we need more squadrons of multirole fighters ASAP !

True but we also need to remember our forward bases those houses Rafales like Hasimara and Ambala fall under PLA Rocket force's range? Specially incase of surprise attack just like Chinese always did.

 

[Gyyan]

After first flight for a 5th gen fighter it takes minimum 10 years for FOC induction with all sorts of certifications and validations.

If war happens tomorrow IAF does good chance with Rafale vs J-20 thanks to Meteor or Spectra. We dont know for sure as Chinese MIC mature more specially according to West whlith hure advancements our chance is getter darker.

We need leaner and meaner force, to balance the power. May not have 1000s like China but few 100s of combined ultra modern can be indestructable deterrent

Spectra the cure all magic power for Indian def Enthusiasts.
Lmao spectra is a great EW suit but it won't make rafale a stealth killer of some sort.
J20 will still have almost the same advantage over rafales that they enjoy over other 4.5 gen.
Passive stealth of Rafale is great but it can't make it invisible.
J20 is 10 to 1000 times more stealthy than rafale has more powerful engine has a better more powerful radar and a decent BVR missile perhaps the missile is the only thing in which rafale has edge over j20.
Rafale has less than half of the T/R modules compared to j20 they both claim having 3rd gen AESA(at least Chinese do, not sure about rafales).

 

[abingdonboy]

If it is 2029 then pack up your bags and order mrfa asap.

Where’s the RFP? It took 10 freaking years from RFP to order for the C295, I don’t think many can comprehend how complicated the cost and contract negotiations will be for near cutting edge equipment and weapons with the added complication of the local assembly stipulation. The original MMRCA deal collapsed because of the impasse created POST selection

RFP to orders for this project would be at least a 7 year slog at best- having to survive multiple new governments and god knows how many policy changes and flip flops in between.

even if everyone wants MRFA to happen trust indian babudom to get in the way

 

[abingdonboy]

I dont think it will be before 2035, keep in mind ADA's history. India will be the only economy with $10 trillion size that will introduce a brand new 4.5 gen fighter in 2035. Advanced economies around the world will start phasing out them with 6th gen fighter.

Gen Rawat alwyas talked about "Leaner & meaner" force. What about that? We must move towards that. Stop mk2, induct more mk1a or mk1b, full focus on AMCA ans UCAVs.

UCAVs, kamakz drones are key to win future wars, Ukraine and upcoming Taiwan wars will show that.

This is nonsense. 4.5 gen fighters will be the backbone of all large airforces for at least another 2 decades

USAF rethinks future fleet, ponders clean-sheet 4.5-generation fighter

The US Air Force is studying a future fighter fleet that might include new Lockheed Martin F-16 fighters or possibly a clean-sheet 4.5-generation fighter.

www.flightglobal.com

 

[raju1982]

Spectra the cure all magic power for Indian def Enthusiasts.
Lmao spectra is a great EW suit but it won't make rafale a stealth killer of some sort.
J20 will still have almost the same advantage over rafales that they enjoy over other 4.5 gen.
Passive stealth of Rafale is great but it can't make it invisible.
J20 is 10 to 1000 times more stealthy than rafale has more powerful engine has a better more powerful radar and a decent BVR missile perhaps the missile is the only thing in which rafale has edge over j20.
Rafale has less than half of the T/R modules compared to j20 they both claim having 3rd gen AESA(at least Chinese do, not sure about rafales).

completely agree with you.

 

[raju1982]

This is nonsense. 4.5 gen fighters will be the backbone of all large airforces for at least another 2 decades

USAF rethinks future fleet, ponders clean-sheet 4.5-generation fighter

The US Air Force is studying a future fighter fleet that might include new Lockheed Martin F-16 fighters or possibly a clean-sheet 4.5-generation fighter.

www.flightglobal.com

Upgrade your english knowledge, i said 12 years from now most advanced countries will start phasing out 4/4.5 gen fighters. How many years left for 2 decades?

 

[blackleaf]

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Gripen fanboys aaram se cope kare sbko barabar mauka milega.

The latest Eurofighter should be better now with the upgrades Swiss contest. However I'm still surprised at how much better the Rafale did back then. The Eurofighter should have some advantages with its more powerful engines and larger radar.

 

[raju1982]

The latest Eurofighter should be better now with the upgrades Swiss contest. However I'm still surprised at how much better the Rafale did back then. The Eurofighter should have some advantages with its more powerful engines and larger radar.

The main problem with EFT is its 4 parties mess. Among them Germany is very woke, tend to veto many sales amd stop supplies in the middle of wars.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Where’s the RFP? It took 10 freaking years from RFP to order for the C295, I don’t think many can comprehend how complicated the cost and contract negotiations will be for near cutting edge equipment and weapons with the added complication of the local assembly stipulation. The original MMRCA deal collapsed because of the impasse created POST selection

RFP to orders for this project would be at least a 7 year slog at best- having to survive multiple new governments and god knows how many policy changes and flip flops in between.

even if everyone wants MRFA to happen trust indian babudom to get in the way

If it comes out not happening before elections Congress will cry I'm parliament session after session

 

[Tejbrahmastra]

 

[Bleh]

J20 will still have almost the same advantage over rafales that they enjoy over other 4.5 gen.
Passive stealth of Rafale is great but it can't make it invisible.
J20 is 10 to 1000 times more stealthy than rafale has more powerful engine has a better more powerful radar and a decent BVR missile perhaps the missile is the only thing in which rafale has edge over j20.

Lol ..Spectra completely hanged Egyptian Su-35 radars in internal exercises & caused Egypt to ditch their further aquisition.
The "advantage over rafales that they enjoy over other 4.5 gen"you speak of is that they can be passively invisible. Doesn't mean it can shoot down a Rafale. It's radar WILL be jammed & BVRs will be useless & Rafales' RWR will roughly locate it & we'll eventually have passive radar-homing AAMs.

As of now, once in IRST range the real game will start & there'll probably be a merge as an uprepared IAF found it on one 27th Feb.

 

[Tejbrahmastra]

 

[johnj]

Spectra completely hanged Egyptian Su-35 radars in internal exercises

Source ??
There is no report about Russia delivering su35 to Egypt

Egypt to ditch their further aquisition.

No. Egypt terminated entire deal, before the delivery of first Su35

Su35 use PESA radar and J20 use AESA radar, and both radar is used active search, passive search mainly comes under EW/ECM suite,

Till date there is no reliable news about Su35 exercise against any other jets, including gripen or rafale