ADA Tejas Mark-II/Medium Weight Fighter

[jai jaganath]

Although I know that many Indians look down on JF-17, but he may be the most suitable for India, from simple to complex, step by step. As for the Indian aviation industry, to be honest, I don’t even know who is in charge of him? Who is responsible for mediating the conflict between IA and HAL? Modi?

Here not a particular institution is responsible for today
Every institution has guys who love import and who does really care about capabilities
U go to iaf or mod or pmo there are guys who want import and ones who want capabilities to be present in nation
In import loving gang there are different categories like one who really think import is best for India due to various reasons and one who is part of lobby to destroy indigenous products
It's the tussle between these sort of decision makers due to which problem arises
It might be childish but I am open to corrections and thi is personal understanding
Modi can't do everything there is procedure there is system and importantly he is not like very into these things I feel bcoz he has other focus as being pm

 

[Flying Dagger]

22 yrs since 1st flight for a 4th gen vs 11 yrs since first flight for a 5th gen. lmao
logic dictates that a 5th gen fighter will be harder to make than 4th gen yet j20 prob has more than triple the amount of numbers than our tejas. fc31 seems to be more carrier oriented.

In these 22 years 2+ squadron are already in service.

Logic dictates those who know how to (copy) build a 4th gen aircraft should have been able to build a fifth gen much easier with all the infrastructure in hand.

Also we weren't getting gifts from Western industries like chinese did.

For Tejas we had to build production facility chain of suppliers from scratch.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Any updates? I guess the roll out is this year. Should have seen the fighter body on the jigs by now, engine testing separately etc

 

[flanker99]

Tejas Mk 2 languishes amid lack of funds

India's Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas Mk 2 programme is languishing without funding, months after the project was approved by New Delhi.

www.janes.com

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

Tejas Mk 2 languishes amid lack of funds

India's Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas Mk 2 programme is languishing without funding, months after the project was approved by New Delhi.

www.janes.com

Sounds BS to me.
These are the same people who reported procurement of 5 regiments of QRSAM and Lora Tactical BM for Indian Navy when no such deals had taken place.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Sounds BS to me.
These are the same people who reported procurement of 5 regiments of QRSAM and Lora Tactical BM for Indian Navy when no such deals had taken place.

I mean we haven’t seen any progress till date. Only tender was taking an design to do final wind tunnel testing in France. Unveiling was planned in Dec 2023. We havent even seen the jigs yet.

 

[Vamsi]

I mean we haven’t seen any progress till date. Only tender was taking an design to do final wind tunnel testing in France. Unveiling was planned in Dec 2023. We havent even seen the jigs yet.

As per AI2023, the unvieling was planned in Dec 2024, not 23

 

[tomthounaojam]

Tejas Mark 2 languish over lack of fund and GOI will only release fund when the US approved 100% of engine technologies transfer.

 

[Vamsi]

What the hell is this??


India's Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) officially approved the project on 1 September 2022 for development, flight testing, and certification. Janes previously reported that funding of INR66.17 billion (USD809.17 million) was sanctioned.

However, Janes has learnt that the Indian government included a clause in the funding approval stipulating that this money would be released only after the US government approved a 100% transfer of engine technology to India. The clause is related to India's 2010 selection of the General Electric (GE) F414-INS6 engine to power the Mk 2, according to previous disclosures by GE and India's Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) – an agency under the state-owned Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).

“The clause states that the money will be released if the US government agrees to transfer the technology of the F414-INS6 engine,” a source told Janes .


If uncle sam denies , will they cancel Mk-2 or what??

 

[jai jaganath]

What the hell is this??


India's Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) officially approved the project on 1 September 2022 for development, flight testing, and certification. Janes previously reported that funding of INR66.17 billion (USD809.17 million) was sanctioned.

However, Janes has learnt that the Indian government included a clause in the funding approval stipulating that this money would be released only after the US government approved a 100% transfer of engine technology to India. The clause is related to India's 2010 selection of the General Electric (GE) F414-INS6 engine to power the Mk 2, according to previous disclosures by GE and India's Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) – an agency under the state-owned Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).

“The clause states that the money will be released if the US government agrees to transfer the technology of the F414-INS6 engine,” a source told Janes .


If uncle sam denies , will they cancel Mk-2 or what??

This is damn useless it seems and bit a nail on my trust on Jane's
I don't think such conditions would exists

 

[Lonewolf]

What the hell is this??


India's Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) officially approved the project on 1 September 2022 for development, flight testing, and certification. Janes previously reported that funding of INR66.17 billion (USD809.17 million) was sanctioned.

However, Janes has learnt that the Indian government included a clause in the funding approval stipulating that this money would be released only after the US government approved a 100% transfer of engine technology to India. The clause is related to India's 2010 selection of the General Electric (GE) F414-INS6 engine to power the Mk 2, according to previous disclosures by GE and India's Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) – an agency under the state-owned Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).

“The clause states that the money will be released if the US government agrees to transfer the technology of the F414-INS6 engine,” a source told Janes .


If uncle sam denies , will they cancel Mk-2 or what??

Money to US for engine contract

 

[jai jaganath]

What the hell is this??


India's Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) officially approved the project on 1 September 2022 for development, flight testing, and certification. Janes previously reported that funding of INR66.17 billion (USD809.17 million) was sanctioned.

However, Janes has learnt that the Indian government included a clause in the funding approval stipulating that this money would be released only after the US government approved a 100% transfer of engine technology to India. The clause is related to India's 2010 selection of the General Electric (GE) F414-INS6 engine to power the Mk 2, according to previous disclosures by GE and India's Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) – an agency under the state-owned Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).

“The clause states that the money will be released if the US government agrees to transfer the technology of the F414-INS6 engine,” a source told Janes .


If uncle sam denies , will they cancel Mk-2 or what??

It seems they merging different issues and a misconception it seems

 

[Vamsi]

Money to US for engine contract

what if muricans says no, will GoI choose another engine?? which will further delay Mk-2

 

[Lonewolf]

what if muricans says no, will GoI choose another engine?? which will further delay Mk-2

I don't think so, and talks are progressing well, just wait and be patient

 

[jai jaganath]

what if muricans says no, will GoI choose another engine?? which will further delay Mk-2

No chance bro we have done a good deal in mk1a case and if they give no for 414 engine delivery then they should also stop 404 engine delivery too
But relations are kinda good
And infact as per latest reports they are ready to manufacture 414 here with hal with 100% ToT for manufacturing as not usual not design
Once mk2 contract finalized then the deal for engines will be signed resulting in 414 license manufactured here

 

[MonaLazy]

What the hell is this??

The realisation that without engine there will be no plane to fly.

It makes sense that funding will be approved only when all the decks are cleared to avoid prohibitively costly delays later. If they cannot strike a deal in next 6 months then it's better to strike an alternate deal with EJ or Safran in 12 months rather than work with a 5 year delay 2 years down the line and rework the program from the design stage- like the jump to F404 delayed Tejas by 5 years. That LCA approach was costly in terms of all three- time, money and effort.

Why don't ADA pit an M-88 vs EJ200 vs F414 powered Mk2 to MoD? Then the leadership can simultaneously talk to three govts and go with whoever gives the best deal first? Probably because it is too costly and ADA is already saddled with AMCA & TEDBF so may not have the band width.

 

[Shuturmurg]

The realisation that without engine there will be no plane to fly.

It makes sense that funding will be approved only when all the decks are cleared to avoid prohibitively costly delays later. If they cannot strike a deal in next 6 months then it's better to strike an alternate deal with EJ or Safran in 12 months rather than work with a 5 year delay 2 years down the line and rework the program from the design stage- like the jump to F404 delayed Tejas by 5 years. That LCA approach was costly in terms of all three- time, money and effort.

Why don't ADA pit an M-88 vs EJ200 vs F414 powered Mk2 to MoD? Then the leadership can simultaneously talk to three govts and go with whoever gives the best deal first? Probably because it is too costly and ADA is already saddled with AMCA & TEDBF so may not have the band width.

Won't design change with different engine.

 

[NutCracker]

The realisation that without engine there will be no plane to fly.

It makes sense that funding will be approved only when all the decks are cleared to avoid prohibitively costly delays later. If they cannot strike a deal in next 6 months then it's better to strike an alternate deal with EJ or Safran in 12 months rather than work with a 5 year delay 2 years down the line and rework the program from the design stage- like the jump to F404 delayed Tejas by 5 years. That LCA approach was costly in terms of all three- time, money and effort.

Why don't ADA pit an M-88 vs EJ200 vs F414 powered Mk2 to MoD? Then the leadership can simultaneously talk to three govts and go with whoever gives the best deal first? Probably because it is too costly and ADA is already saddled with AMCA & TEDBF so may not have the band width.

Is M-88 even sufficient for MK1a let alone MK2.

I think it will be only EJ200 vs 414. But then again EJ consortium has Germany in it. How much can we trust these people.
Can Rolls Royce unanimously take decision to sell EJ200 to us ?

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

What the hell is this??


India's Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) officially approved the project on 1 September 2022 for development, flight testing, and certification. Janes previously reported that funding of INR66.17 billion (USD809.17 million) was sanctioned.

However, Janes has learnt that the Indian government included a clause in the funding approval stipulating that this money would be released only after the US government approved a 100% transfer of engine technology to India. The clause is related to India's 2010 selection of the General Electric (GE) F414-INS6 engine to power the Mk 2, according to previous disclosures by GE and India's Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) – an agency under the state-owned Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).

“The clause states that the money will be released if the US government agrees to transfer the technology of the F414-INS6 engine,” a source told Janes .


If uncle sam denies , will they cancel Mk-2 or what??

Sounds BS to me again.
GE F414 engines were selected for Tejas Mk2 almost a decade back, and as per some reports, the Initial lot of F414 engines has already been delivered to India.
Likely some misinterpretation, Indian Defence Journalism is famous for that

 

[Vamsi]

Is M-88 even sufficient for MK1a let alone MK2.

I think it will be only EJ200 vs 414. But then again EJ consortium has Germany in it. How much can we trust these people.
Can Rolls Royce unanimously take decision to sell EJ200 to us ?

Not the current M88-2 which powers the Rafale , but M88-4 can generate 105KN I think, but it will take time to mature the engine

Kaveri too can generate 105KN wet thrust if TET is increased to 1850K & if OPR is increased to 25 from current 21.5