ADA Tejas Mark-II/Medium Weight Fighter

[Gyyan]

Is this the last plane we will ever build?

Imagine sending your stealth jet to another country to validate it's dsi

 

[Flying Dagger]

Israeli radar, American engine, British seat. It's already the most compromised jet in the world. I would not even worry about security anymore. Atleast the swedes have their own avionics.

Chinese used Russian engine in their fifth gen . Ejection seats of MB are used world over.

As far as Tejas is concerned Dassault was the preliminary design consultant in the beginning.

It would have changed the picture for now, and ruined it for the future.

MK-2 only became serious with the canard redesign, else that would have been a TD only. And that came much later.

Why it became serious with only canard design ?

Su 30 has canards but Su 35 don't . Does that mean Su 35 is less

 

[binayak95]

What the fuck?! We need to get our own wind tunnel testing. Why do we keep leaving our secrets to outsiders????

The shortsightness of our babus are the reason why our programs keep facing delay after delay!!!

OH YEAS - secrets of a canard delta (like the Gripen, the Typhoon and the Rafale) with an engine that is decades old and has seen service with aforementioned Gripen and F18 SHs.

FFS. Its D'assault. Their office boys have tougher secrets to keep than Tejas.

 

[binayak95]

Chinese used Russian engine in their fifth gen . Ejection seats of MB are used world over.

As far as Tejas is concerned Dassault was the preliminary design consultant in the beginning.



Why it became serious with only canard design ?

Su 30 has canards but Su 35 don't . Does that mean Su 35 is less

Dassault and Boeing. The original delta planform was Boeing's work, leveraging some of their light fighter work.

 

[Blademaster]

OH YEAS - secrets of a canard delta (like the Gripen, the Typhoon and the Rafale) with an engine that is decades old and has seen service with aforementioned Gripen and F18 SHs.

FFS. Its D'assault. Their office boys have tougher secrets to keep than Tejas.

It's about radar signature & identification.

 

[AnantS]

Both sides had extremely strong bases for aerodynamics, and then stole everything they could from everyone they could.
Nene engines, titanium processing, every nazi scientist and prototype available.

Indians did too - Kurt Tank was not after all, from neutral switzerland

wish we had "stolen" him. I guess we just contracted him out for some period from Argentinian haven.

 

[AnantS]

Dassault and Boeing. The original delta planform was Boeing's work, leveraging some of their light fighter work.

I thought we took inspiration from earlier version of single engine euro fighters. Keypub had those aero models. One of the earlier before current tejas looked more like Gripen/MK2.

Edit: Oh I remember we were taking help from Lockheed for validating CLAWS for cranked delta, which was tested on F-16 XL(which also had cranked wing) at that time.

We have good thread on our development efforts prior to tejas

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[SwordOfDarkness]

It's about radar signature & identification.

And how do they get that info from a wind tunnel?

 

[Corvus Splendens]

No High attitude engine test facility, no flying engine testbed, no full scale wind tunnel for validating intakes. But sure 4-5 fighters and 3 drones in the pipeline. Gov needs to wake up and prioritize defense, and not fall for the same old tricks.

 

[Blademaster]

No High attitude engine test facility, no flying engine testbed, no full scale wind tunnel for validating intakes. But sure 4-5 fighters and 3 drones in the pipeline. Gov needs to wake up and prioritize defense, and not fall for the same old tricks.
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Yes however if we can negotiate for such facilities to be built in India, then it is worth taking the risks. After all, nothing ventured, nothing gained.

 

[jai jaganath]

At least China has cultivated its own aviation industry and R&D team through imitation,

It'd a very vague statement China copied have developed nothing
Afterall what matters is China having a full fledged aviation capable of producing independently

 

[NutCracker]

R&D team through imitation,

R&D and imitation are oxymoron..

and it wasn't just innocent imitation as wumaos believe , it was IP theft.

 

[radion]

China imitates MIG19, masters the production of supersonic fighters, China can design Q-5 by itself, China imitates mig-21, masters the production of Mach 2 fighters, and develops J-8 by itself,
After that, China can design jh-7, j-10, and imitate su-27, so that China's aviation industry can reach the level of the United States in 2000, and then China will be able to produce J-20
It is very easy to design an aircraft, but how to make it is difficult, otherwise it is like India, the design of Tejas was completed in 1990, and only 2 squadrons have been in service until now.
Why, India's aviation industry is not up to the level of 4th generation fighter jets
Another example is South Korea, even though it has never produced national fighter jets, its machinery industry and electronics industry are very developed, and its project management experience is centuries more advanced than that of India, so kf-21 is completed quickly

imo project management seems to be a big hurdle compared to other countries including SK and TURK. one look into our defence news and you'll see timelines being thrown around a lot and not just by some random person but by the project director themselves then you'll see that the timelines given by DRDO/ADA seem to not match with the ones given by HAL or IAF implying poor coordination. Forget matching up with china, our performance is poor compared to new comers like SK and TK.

 

[NutCracker]

It is very easy to design an aircraft, but how to make it is difficult, otherwise it is like India, the design of Tejas was completed in 1990, and only 2 squadrons have been in service until now.

SHall I say same about FC-31 ?? why 0 squadrons of it flying despite completion of first flight in 2012 ??

don't blabber if you don't know about what kind of hurdles it faced and why it has only 2 squadrons. Making it was the least difficult part of it. I don't have time to entertain an ignorant fool.

 

[jai jaganath]

China imitates MIG19, masters the production of supersonic fighters, China can design Q-5 by itself, China imitates mig-21, masters the production of Mach 2 fighters, and develops J-8 by itself,
After that, China can design jh-7, j-10, and imitate su-27, so that China's aviation industry can reach the level of the United States in 2000, and then China will be able to produce J-20
It is very easy to design an aircraft, but how to make it is difficult, otherwise it is like India, the design of Tejas was completed in 1990, and only 2 squadrons have been in service until now.
Why, India's aviation industry is not up to the level of 4th generation fighter jets
Another example is South Korea, even though it has never produced national fighter jets, its machinery industry and electronics industry are very developed, and its project management experience is centuries more advanced than that of India, so kf-21 is completed quickly

Yes u r right we lack national conscience and importantly lack national intent to handle, design and develope core technologies and even basic defence tech bcoz in our country these things have less value
Armed forceswill be happy if they import and politicians don't have any problem in importing as it will give them nice kickbacks
But few people on top have different view than these guys and dye to tussle between such personalities we face indecisiveness lack of responsibility lack of efficient commitee looking into project
All in all no respect to tax payers money
In our nation u can't even trust PD wrt timelines and execution
All defence related things are just going in its own way no one willing to interfere or work upon it

 

[radion]

SHall I say same about FC-31 ?? why 0 squadrons of it flying despite completion of first flight in 2012 ??

don't blabber if you don't know about what kind of hurdles it faced and why it has only 2 squadrons. Making it was the least difficult part of it. I don't have time to entertain an ignorant fool.

22 yrs since 1st flight for a 4th gen vs 11 yrs since first flight for a 5th gen. lmao
logic dictates that a 5th gen fighter will be harder to make than 4th gen yet j20 prob has more than triple the amount of numbers than our tejas. fc31 seems to be more carrier oriented.

 

[jai jaganath]

22 yrs since 1st flight for a 4th gen vs 11 yrs since first flight for a 5th gen. lmao
logic dictates that a 5th gen fighter will be harder to make than 4th gen yet j20 prob has more than triple the amount of numbers than our tejas. fc31 seems to be more carrier oriented.

Yeah no point of pointing out 1 project when they have many successful projects
Even though that is carrier borne fighter which is critical to master

 

[radion]

I think India lacks an institution that can truly coordinate the development of the defense industry, decide what needs to be imported, what needs to be manufactured by itself, and what can be supplemented by imports if the design target is not met, similar to the China National Defense Science and Technology Industry Committee

wiki is saying thats old news,got merged into something else.

 

[binayak95]

I think anyone who knows a little bit about PLA knows that it is the product of Shenyang’s failure to compete for China’s 5th generation aircraft. It is looking for investors in the international market. As for being selected by the Navy, it is another matter.
As for tejas, even with the help of the West, it is very conservative. It is a simple delta wing, without side strip wing and full-motion canards.
So, the plane on the drawing board is the simplest,

Tell me you know nothing about military aviation without saying it.

 

[jai jaganath]

I think anyone who knows a little bit about PLA knows that it is the product of Shenyang’s failure to compete for China’s 5th generation aircraft. It is looking for investors in the international market. As for being selected by the Navy, it is another matter.
As for tejas, even with the help of the West, it is very conservative. It is a simple delta wing, without side strip wing and full-motion canards.
So, the plane on the drawing board is the simplest,

Mk1 and mk1a are not in drawing board mk2 is
Tejas mk1 is service going to exercises and even mk1a will join soon as
Coming to tactics development iaf has already developed for mk1 and mk1a is not much different it will immediately provide service
Issue mk2 which I prototype stageand u can say drawing board