ADA Tejas Mark-II/Medium Weight Fighter

[DumbPilot]

Der aaye darust aaye?

 

[jai jaganath]

Is it true ??

First point where is the source
Second take it pinch of salt as it's idrw
Third what else does it carry it mostly carries A2A A2G weaponry right so the anti shipping role will be later or what
What does basic A2A and A2G means what does it indicate
Isn't it what it carries

 

[Corvus Splendens]

First point where is the source
Second take it pinch of salt as it's idrw
Third what else does it carry it mostly carries A2A A2G weaponry right so the anti shipping role will be later or what
What does basic A2A and A2G means what does it indicate
Isn't it what it carries

It means it'll be cleared for serial production once the prototype birds get certified for weapons. Which is standard practice. They are bypassing IOC and going straight to FOC after prototypes, which was the old plan anyway, nothing new.

 

[Johny_Baba]

Is it true ??

and in future
>news comes that a Tejas Mk2 crashed
>entire batch and squadron grounded for further inspections
>lok sabha debate going wild, muh ;virodh paksh; blaming it on sarkaar selling out to private players etc while sarkaar blaming on ;virodh paksh; not inducting jets while in sarkar for 10 years etc
>news channels and media (both domestic and international) screeching REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE over it constantly for a week at least or until happening of ;next big thing;
>further production is questioned and in worst case, stalled until this potential issue is cleared
>DFI and other forums going out of control, mods everywhere having double-time to maintain ordnung
>meanwhile various lobbies in defense establishment be like
>Sancho constantly writing tweets after tweets with one hand, while other hand down in his pantsu

 

[johnj]

It means it'll be cleared for serial production once the prototype birds get certified for weapons. Which is standard practice. They are bypassing IOC and going straight to FOC after prototypes, which was the old plan anyway, nothing new.

Not going to happen since both ioc & foc is given by user, ie IAF and without initial stage how iaf going to achieve finial stage ? its impossible, may be with supernatural means.
I think the person who made such comment confused with ada statement & reality.
When ada started flying mk1, there is no local weapons, but today there is a lots of local weapons & foreign, hence first production aircraft [3rd ac] is fully capable of using all weapons similar to mk1a, but ioc & foc both are required.
In simple- no td, 2/3 prototype and additional jets[foc standard] for ada/hal [not for iaf].

 

[johnj]

>news comes that a Tejas Mk2 crashed
>entire batch and squadron grounded for further inspections

Its normal with all cases & for all jets including rafale, mki, f35 etc.

 

[jai jaganath]

It means it'll be cleared for serial production once the prototype birds get certified for weapons. Which is standard practice. They are bypassing IOC and going straight to FOC after prototypes, which was the old plan anyway, nothing new.

Certified for weapons means integration and testing right and it will take time

 

[Johny_Baba]

Its normal with all cases & for all jets including rafale, mki, f35 etc.

Yes i understand,
it's just that the kind of idiocrasy followed by it would be a death knell for Mk2 like how they short-fused HF-73 when Marut was deemed unsatisfactory and so

 

[MirageBlue]

Will the LCA Mk2 carry the following weapons:

1> R-73 missile
2> Python 5 missile
3> R-77 missile
4> R-27 missile

R-73E and Python V, very likely. ASRAAM is the NG-CCM so it'll be there for sure as well.

R-77 and R-27, very unlikely. Astra Mk1 and Mk2 it'll be followed by the Astra Mk3. Derby I can't say for sure since Derby stocks were ex-IN stocks as I recall.

 

[MonaLazy]

Awaiting approval from US government for undertaking fighter jet engine manufacturing in India: GE Aerospace - ET Infra

The White House in a press statement on January 31, as part of US-India initiative on Critical and Emerging Technology, stated that the US government has received an application from General Electric, to jointly produce jet engines that could power jet aircraft operated and produced indigenously...

infra.economictimes.indiatimes.com

Awaiting approval from US government for undertaking fighter jet engine manufacturing in India: GE Aerospace
The White House in a press statement on January 31, as part of US-India initiative on Critical and Emerging Technology, stated that the US government has received an application from General Electric, to jointly produce jet engines that could power jet aircraft operated and produced indigenously by India.

Dev Kachari ETInfra February 25, 2023, 00:57 IST

NEW DELHI: Engine manufacturing, especially those which power fighter aircraft, are considered to be at the cutting edge of technology and very few countries in the world have been able to master it since the end of the second world war. India’s own attempt at developing fighter aircraft engines have had a chequered past with the Kaveri engine programme falling short of its potential.

The White House in a press statement on January 31, as part of US-India initiative on Critical and Emerging Technology (iCET), stated that the US government has received an application from General Electric, to jointly produce jet engines that could power jet aircraft operated and produced indigenously by India and that the US government is committed to an expeditious review of this application.

In an interaction with ET Infra at the Aero India 2023, senior officials from Ohio-based GE Aerospace, the aircraft engine manufacturer and subsidiary of General Electric, revealed that the company has put forward application to the US government for manufacturing of the venerable GE F414 fighter aircraft engine in India.


“Once we get a go ahead from the (US) government, I think we would be able to deliver the commitment,” said Youngje Kim, Vice President, Indo-Pacific Region, Military Systems, GE Aerospace.

GE’s F414 jet engines will power the Mk II version of the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft for the Indian Air Force. The Mk I version is currently powered by the F404 variant. GE Aerospace has so far supplied more than 60 F404 engines for the Tejas, with 99 on order.

“Our plan is to, once we get a go ahead, thumbs up, from the US government, work with various different partners here in India, establish manufacturing capabilities, significant manufacturing capability here in India,” added Kim.

GE Aerospace’s major partner in India is Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd, the manufacturer of the indigenous Tejas fighter aircraft, while other supply chain partners include Tata Advanced Systems, Mahindra Aerostructures, Godrej & Boyce.

“The US is really dedicated, committed to work with the Indian government. So, I think you will continue to see more and more investment and interest and collaboration between the two countries, and our engines will be part of the initiative,” said Kim.

HELICOPTER ENGINES

Apache attack helicopterGE Aerospace’s engagement with the Indian military and aerospace industry is also set to broaden as the country deploys more military platforms such as helicopters, which are powered by engines manufactured by the company.

“What we are focused on really is a smooth entry into service of the Apaches and the Seahawks. Our focus is on the entry into service of those two platforms, we power, both of them with the same engine. And then we are also focused on supporting and working with the Indian Navy and the Air Force on how to best support those engines in the country so that they are self-sufficient,” said Harry Nahatis, Vice President & General Manager, Rotorcraft & Turboprop Engines, Military Systems, GE Aerospace.

The Indian Air Force has deployed the Boeing manufactured Apache strike helicopter along the Line of Actual Control with China since the standoff with the northern neighbour in 2020, while the Indian Army is expected to get the delivery of the same platform by next year. The Indian Navy has ordered 24 Seahawks, a multi-mission maritime utility helicopter. Both the helicopters are powered by GE Aerospace’s turboshaft engines.

“We even built our own factory in India, in Pune and it is a large facility. We make parts there for all of our bunch of engines that go all over the world. So we see India as a key supplier in our engines,” said Nahatis.

While India has emerged as an important center for aerospace design engineering and component manufacturing, the opportunity in the form of production of GE Aerospace’s F414 could very well be the big stepping stone into high end aerospace technology, provided the offer includes co-production and transfer of technology, not merely assembly of engine parts.

 

[Gyyan]

 

[Blademaster]

Awaiting approval from US government for undertaking fighter jet engine manufacturing in India: GE Aerospace - ET Infra

The White House in a press statement on January 31, as part of US-India initiative on Critical and Emerging Technology, stated that the US government has received an application from General Electric, to jointly produce jet engines that could power jet aircraft operated and produced indigenously...

infra.economictimes.indiatimes.com

Awaiting approval from US government for undertaking fighter jet engine manufacturing in India: GE Aerospace
The White House in a press statement on January 31, as part of US-India initiative on Critical and Emerging Technology, stated that the US government has received an application from General Electric, to jointly produce jet engines that could power jet aircraft operated and produced indigenously by India.

Dev Kachari ETInfra February 25, 2023, 00:57 IST

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NEW DELHI: Engine manufacturing, especially those which power fighter aircraft, are considered to be at the cutting edge of technology and very few countries in the world have been able to master it since the end of the second world war. India’s own attempt at developing fighter aircraft engines have had a chequered past with the Kaveri engine programme falling short of its potential.

The White House in a press statement on January 31, as part of US-India initiative on Critical and Emerging Technology (iCET), stated that the US government has received an application from General Electric, to jointly produce jet engines that could power jet aircraft operated and produced indigenously by India and that the US government is committed to an expeditious review of this application.

In an interaction with ET Infra at the Aero India 2023, senior officials from Ohio-based GE Aerospace, the aircraft engine manufacturer and subsidiary of General Electric, revealed that the company has put forward application to the US government for manufacturing of the venerable GE F414 fighter aircraft engine in India.


“Once we get a go ahead from the (US) government, I think we would be able to deliver the commitment,” said Youngje Kim, Vice President, Indo-Pacific Region, Military Systems, GE Aerospace.

GE’s F414 jet engines will power the Mk II version of the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft for the Indian Air Force. The Mk I version is currently powered by the F404 variant. GE Aerospace has so far supplied more than 60 F404 engines for the Tejas, with 99 on order.

“Our plan is to, once we get a go ahead, thumbs up, from the US government, work with various different partners here in India, establish manufacturing capabilities, significant manufacturing capability here in India,” added Kim.

GE Aerospace’s major partner in India is Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd, the manufacturer of the indigenous Tejas fighter aircraft, while other supply chain partners include Tata Advanced Systems, Mahindra Aerostructures, Godrej & Boyce.

“The US is really dedicated, committed to work with the Indian government. So, I think you will continue to see more and more investment and interest and collaboration between the two countries, and our engines will be part of the initiative,” said Kim.

HELICOPTER ENGINES
View attachment 194895

Apache attack helicopterGE Aerospace’s engagement with the Indian military and aerospace industry is also set to broaden as the country deploys more military platforms such as helicopters, which are powered by engines manufactured by the company.

“What we are focused on really is a smooth entry into service of the Apaches and the Seahawks. Our focus is on the entry into service of those two platforms, we power, both of them with the same engine. And then we are also focused on supporting and working with the Indian Navy and the Air Force on how to best support those engines in the country so that they are self-sufficient,” said Harry Nahatis, Vice President & General Manager, Rotorcraft & Turboprop Engines, Military Systems, GE Aerospace.

The Indian Air Force has deployed the Boeing manufactured Apache strike helicopter along the Line of Actual Control with China since the standoff with the northern neighbour in 2020, while the Indian Army is expected to get the delivery of the same platform by next year. The Indian Navy has ordered 24 Seahawks, a multi-mission maritime utility helicopter. Both the helicopters are powered by GE Aerospace’s turboshaft engines.

“We even built our own factory in India, in Pune and it is a large facility. We make parts there for all of our bunch of engines that go all over the world. So we see India as a key supplier in our engines,” said Nahatis.

While India has emerged as an important center for aerospace design engineering and component manufacturing, the opportunity in the form of production of GE Aerospace’s F414 could very well be the big stepping stone into high end aerospace technology, provided the offer includes co-production and transfer of technology, not merely assembly of engine parts.

I pray to God that some stupid beanie in the US State of Dept gets the bright idea of banning sales of GE404/414 to India based on some requirement of India not supporting Ukraine or something. Once that happens, GoI will finally tell IAF to shut the fuck up and go with Kaveri no matter what and go full speed on it. This way, India will achieve indigenous capability of designing & producing engines with thrust of 100 KN or higher.

 

[flanker99]

I pray to God that some stupid beanie in the US State of Dept gets the bright idea of banning sales of GE404/414 to India based on some requirement of India not supporting Ukraine or something. Once that happens, GoI will finally tell IAF to shut the fuck up and go with Kaveri no matter what and go full speed on it. This way, India will achieve indigenous capability of designing & producing engines with thrust of 100 KN or higher.

Dumb way to tell u want tejas mk2 to fail.kaveri even with significant investments is atleast a decade away from achieving near 414 performance.
If 414 purchase fails best case we find another vendor to buy engine which will cause significant delays worst case mk2 gets canned

 

[Gyyan]

I pray to God that some stupid beanie in the US State of Dept gets the bright idea of banning sales of GE404/414 to India based on some requirement of India not supporting Ukraine or something. Once that happens, GoI will finally tell IAF to shut the fuck up and go with Kaveri no matter what and go full speed on it. This way, India will achieve indigenous capability of designing & producing engines with thrust of 100 KN or higher.

You are essentially praying for destruction of mk2 AMCA TEDBF....Kaveri isn't ready for fighter jets.
Even if we somehow use Kaveri(with AB) it would be underpowered for all of our fighter jets program and developing a new engine will take no less than a decade.

 

[Blademaster]

Dumb way to tell u want tejas mk2 to fail.kaveri even with significant investments is atleast a decade away from achieving near 414 performance.
If 414 purchase fails best case we find another vendor to buy engine which will cause significant delays worst case mk2 gets canned

I don't agree. I think that given the timeline for the delivery of Mk2 the kaveri engine can be ready in time for the production of Mk 2 avoiding delays. Besides if necessary, we can speed up the development of the Kaveri engine if necessary. Put it on a war footing if necessary.

 

[Blademaster]

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You are essentially praying for destruction of mk2 AMCA TEDBF....Kaveri isn't ready for fighter jets.
Even if we somehow use Kaveri(with AB) it would be underpowered for all of our fighter jets program and developing a new engine will take no less than a decade.

That is because GoI never gave proper support to the Kaveri program. Once it realizes that it must succeed, it will put the development on a war footing.

 

[Gyyan]

I don't agree. I think that given the timeline for the delivery of Mk2 the kaveri engine can be ready in time for the production of Mk 2 avoiding delays. Besides if necessary, we can speed up the development of the Kaveri engine if necessary. Put it on a war footing if necessary.

Then we again build a new prototype with Kaveri and then test it for years and induct it in 2040?

 

[Blademaster]

Then we again build a new prototype with Kaveri and then test it for years and induct it in 2040?

Don't be such a blackpiller and stop being so negative. We can do it. Stop falling for these stupid propaganda where an engine will take 20 years to develop or something. If the US can produce a nuke within 4 years and produce thousands of ships within 4 years on a war footing, surely India can do the same when it comes to engine development. We already have the technology base now.

 

[Gyyan]

That is because GoI never gave proper support to the Kaveri program. Once it realizes that it must succeed, it will put the development on a war footing.

What's the point of having an engine program when you don't have fighter jets to power?
Do you think IAF will wait for DRDO to create an engine test it validate it and then use it in the fighter?
The idea currently is good a jv is needed one which may help us build an engine from scratch inhouse if possible.
If not keep working on Kaveri in the sidelines.

 

[Blademaster]

What's the point of having an engine program when you don't have fighter jets to power?
Do you think IAF will wait for DRDO to create an engine test it validate it and then use it in the fighter?
The idea currently is good a jv is needed one which may help us build an engine from scratch inhouse if possible.
If not keep working on Kaveri in the sidelines.

You keep falling into the same trap every single time. This is the reason why engine developments are going nowhere!!! The only way Kaveri will succeed if you put in full effort and full speed knowing that you got no other choice if you fail. It is because of that mentality, you will succeed. You are willing and intending to achieve that milestone. WIthout that mentality, such development will take decades and we fall further behind.

Stop with that kind of mentality. It is a defeatist mentality. This is the reason why the Kaveri program went nowhere.