ADA Tejas Mark-II/Medium Weight Fighter

[Arjun Mk1A]

Only 7 Squadrons for AMCA. So basically 100-130 planes. Honestly disappointed with this news. Hope he is mentioning MK1 of AMCA .

 

[flanker99]

What was the tweet bro

amca 7 sqds will be procured and tejas mk2 no to be procured will be decided after production aircraft comes

 

[NutCracker]

amca 7 sqds will be procured and tejas mk2 no to be procured will be decided after production aircraft comes

Tweet by whom ?

 

[Javelin_Sam]

Only 7 Squadrons for AMCA. So basically 100-130 planes. Honestly disappointed with this news. Hope he is mentioning MK1 of AMCA .

By the time that 7 squadrons of AMCA comes, it will be post 2040. That is a lot of time. Next generation aircrafts, swarm drones etc... If they still want AMCA post 2040, then they will go for additional numbers

 

[MonaLazy]

The threat of multiple fronts always exists. The capability of IAF in handling two fronts at one time will have to keep getting bolstered by the induction of various platforms. We'll need more radars, SAGW systems, & all of these will come from indigenous sources: IAF chief
On the aircraft front, we are looking ahead for the AMCA, LCA Mark-IA and LAC Mark -II a few years from now. The case for 114 MRFA is also progressing well. With this, it will not only strengthen the IAF but also will be a huge boost for the Indian aviation industry: IAF chief
For AMCA, we have committed 7 squadrons. The numbers for LCA Mark-II, we will take a call on it when the first production model comes: IAF chief Air Chief Marshal VR Chaudhari


Did Mr Chaudhari also look at his son first as the doctor pulled him out of the Mrs before deciding if he will be the father or not? This is utter dumbfcukkery.
Our airforce is just an assortment of flying havai sepoys simping for their toys of foreign origin. How can a custom plane built to IAF specs first roll out of the production line before it's producers know how many if any at all will be bought?

 

[MonaLazy]

Straight from the horses mouth


Many are looking at the lack of IAF Chief's commitment to LCA Mk2 in isolation. See it in the context of the shadow boxing on the MRCA over past months and it looks like IAF wants to tie its commitment to Mk2 to govt's commitment on MRCA/addl. Rafale sqdns.

The ACM doesn’t commit to any numbers for the LCA Mk2 while committing to 7 squadrons of the AMCA.

Here “first production model” means first flying prototype I believe. Don’t want to read much into it except to say, IAF has no commitment until Mk2 starts flying.

 

[Vamsi]

The threat of multiple fronts always exists. The capability of IAF in handling two fronts at one time will have to keep getting bolstered by the induction of various platforms. We'll need more radars, SAGW systems, & all of these will come from indigenous sources: IAF chief
On the aircraft front, we are looking ahead for the AMCA, LCA Mark-IA and LAC Mark -II a few years from now. The case for 114 MRFA is also progressing well. With this, it will not only strengthen the IAF but also will be a huge boost for the Indian aviation industry: IAF chief
For AMCA, we have committed 7 squadrons. The numbers for LCA Mark-II, we will take a call on it when the first production model comes: IAF chief Air Chief Marshal VR Chaudhari


Did Mr Chaudhari also look at his son first as the doctor pulled him out of the Mrs before deciding if he will be the father or not? This is utter dumbfcukkery.
Our airforce is just an assortment of flying havai sepoys simping for their toys of foreign origin. How can a custom plane built to IAF specs first roll out of the production line before it's producers know how many if any at all will be bought?

His fear is that Ninda turtle may shove Mk-2 down his throat and cancel MRFA
and Ninda turtle can really do that

 

[MonaLazy]

This comes from Nitin Gokhale (the most inside insider into the Indian establishment) and has been RT'd by HVT Sir. So 6 sqns are committed for!

So calm down everyone fretting about
@IAF_MCC
apparently not backing LCA MK2. Just checked and it turns out Air HQ has already committed to buy 6 squadrons of the MK2. Additional numbers to be decided after production begins.
@BharatShaktiBSI

@StratNewsGlobal

 

[Adm Kenobi]

I hope this makes it clear-
Subject to change with time and requirement, IAF has a limited amount of sanctioned fighter squadrons. If it wants to add a new platform in future (other than MRFA/AMCA/LCA MK2)...it will have to come at cost of either existing squadrons or the planned squadrons. IAF has the CCS clearance for 114 MRFA & has a requirement of at least 7 sq of AMCA and they won't be reducing these two at any cost, number of MK2 squadrons will have to be decreased if you want to add another platform going forward UNLESS it's a replacement of older squadrons or IAF gets clearance for more than 42 squadrons.
IAF will come at around ~40sq with current procurement plan.
Upcoming procurement will be in line with 10 year Integrated Capability Development Plan (ICDP) which hasn't been finalised aiui. ACM can't take decisions singlehandedly, decisions are taken by the procurement body and CCS. ACM can only recommend to CCS from his part.

 

[karn]

I hope this makes it clear-
Subject to change with time and requirement, IAF has a limited amount of sanctioned fighter squadrons. If it wants to add a new platform in future (other than MRFA/AMCA/LCA MK2)...it will have to come at cost of either existing squadrons or the planned squadrons. IAF has the CCS clearance for 114 MRFA & has a requirement of at least 7 sq of AMCA and they won't be reducing these two at any cost, number of MK2 squadrons will have to be decreased if you want to add another platform going forward UNLESS it's a replacement of older squadrons or IAF gets clearance for more than 42 squadrons.
IAF will come at around ~40sq with current procurement plan.
Upcoming procurement will be in line with 10 year Integrated Capability Development Plan (ICDP) which hasn't been finalised aiui. ACM can't take decisions singlehandedly, decisions are taken by the procurement body and CCS. ACM can only recommend to CCS from his part.

So .. just for my understanding ... right now the AMCA and MRFA are new planned squadrons while tejas mk2 is for replacements of Jaguar, Mig29, Mirage ?

 

[The Shrike]

Take all these "IAF has commited to x number of squadrons" statements with a pinch of salt. Only way to show commitment is money - either firm contracted orders or development funding.

 

[Adm Kenobi]

So .. just for my understanding ... right now the AMCA and MRFA are new planned squadrons while tejas mk2 is for replacements of Jaguar, Mig29, Mirage ?

Yes, except for Jaguar. MK2 is not a direct replacement for Jaguars.

 

[karn]

Yes, except for Jaguar. MK2 is not a direct replacement for Jaguars.

What is so special about Jaguar. Are they not planning for it's obsolescence ?

 

[flanker99]

I remember kota sir saying in one of the tarmaks interviews that mk2 will replace mirage,jags and mig29 while amca will replace su30 partially

 

[MonaLazy]

Take all these "IAF has commited to x number of squadrons" statements with a pinch of salt. Only way to show commitment is money - either firm contracted orders or development funding.

Given how ADA went about OG LCA I am willing to cut the IAF some slack, but not too much.

We must remember August 2022 LCA Mk2 was to roll out. That is next month!


Who is going to hold ADA's feet to fire?

 

[IndianHawk]

Here is the clarification. 6 sq of lca mk2 are confirmed.

 

[karn]

Straight from the horses mouth


Many are looking at the lack of IAF Chief's commitment to LCA Mk2 in isolation. See it in the context of the shadow boxing on the MRCA over past months and it looks like IAF wants to tie its commitment to Mk2 to govt's commitment on MRCA/addl. Rafale sqdns.

The ACM doesn’t commit to any numbers for the LCA Mk2 while committing to 7 squadrons of the AMCA.

Here “first production model” means first flying prototype I believe. Don’t want to read much into it except to say, IAF has no commitment until Mk2 starts flying.

I listen to it clearly now ... He says they will take a call on "increasing" the number of mk2 based on the performance of production variant of mk2.

 

[WARREN SS]

Here is the clarification. 6 sq of lca mk2 are confirmed.

Nevertheless LCA MK2 still
Remain in design phase

While Rafale F4 Is in production.

Can't comment until Prototypes come out

 

[IndianHawk]

Nevertheless LCA MK2 still
Remain in design phase

While Rafale F4 Is in production.

Can't comment until Prototypes come out

They are looking for roll out of mk2 by early 2023. Lots of tenders have been out including jig assembly much before and hanger building recently. Prototype is already being built.

Rafale deal is separate.

 

[IndianHawk]

I remember kota sir saying in one of the tarmaks interviews that mk2 will replace mirage,jags and mig29 while amca will replace su30 partially

Lca mk2 will replace jaguar Mirage and mig29 upg . AMCA won't be replacing su30mki which will only start retiring post 2045.
Once AMCA mk1 is flying we shall have a new program to develop proper replacement of su30mki in the class of ngad / fcas / tempest which shall see development period from 2030-2045 .