ADA Tejas Mark-II/Medium Weight Fighter

[Okabe Rintarou]

Well, we also haven't heard the L1 bidder for Uttam Mk1 which must be ADA priority for now if it is going into Tejas mk1A but Uttam mk2 is on verge of mass production by Astra microwave/BHEL. Uttam is a scalable Radar so Tejas mk1a, Tejas mk2, and Su-30mki will have the same Radar with different numbers of TRM.

True that. Though I personally hope we get to see a DRDO GaN radar on Su-30MKI. Would be a beast.

 

[vishnugupt]

True that. Though I personally hope we get to see a DRDO GaN radar on Su-30MKI. Would be a beast.

Of course, once technology matured All will get GaN-based AESA Radar But it will take time.

 

[Vamsi]

MK1 was a prototype. MK2 is the production version. 21th Tejas MK1a will sport Uttam mk2 which will arrive around 2026. there could be minor changes because there is no logic in putting Uttam mk1 in Tejas mk1a

Mk-1 isn't just a prototype, Mk-1 will be used in Tejas Mk-1A , it has 780TRM while Uttam Mk-2 has 992 TRM. It was already clear, Uttam Mk-1 in Tejas Mk-1A and Uttam Mk-2 in Tejas Mk-2

 

[WARREN SS]

I would suggest keeping Mk2, ordering another 2 squadrons of Mk1A (cost $2 billion) to take pressure off Mk2 and Mk2 sub-systems development timeline and investing in an engine with India having control of IP, production and sales thereof. HAL are building another plant, aren't they?

So far We ordering (US$6.2 billion) for LCA Mk1A Cleared by CCS

$2 billion for 40 Mk1A
$11 billion for 114 Mk2
$8 billion engine development cost

$6.2 billion for 83 Mk1A or 47000 cr

CCS okays 83 LCAs worth around ₹47,000 cr. for IAF

Deal will be a game changer for self-reliance in Indian defence manufacturing: Rajnath

www.thehindu.com

$11 billion for 114 Mk2( The cost Will Be almost 12-14 billion $ ) Compared Inflation and LCC costs


Point in All Development Ultimately Engines Will US Made GE Which are 24x7 threat of under Embargo Anytime We purchase Russian weapons in future


You forgetting MLU cost of 7-8 billion $ MLU cost MKI's inventory in future

Engine technology Is core of Any aviation infrastructure If We really want Self reliance it can't do it Without
Engines

If The MMRCA contract Bring us JV development in Engine With Safran then we should go for it
or else We still have to buy those 36 Rafale for 5-6 billion $ in follow up deal

 

[Blank]

So far We ordering (US$6.2 billion) for LCA Mk1A Cleared by CCS

$6.2 billion for 83 Mk1A or 47000 cr

CCS okays 83 LCAs worth around ₹47,000 cr. for IAF

Deal will be a game changer for self-reliance in Indian defence manufacturing: Rajnath

www.thehindu.com

$11 billion for 114 Mk2( The cost Will Be almost 12-14 billion $ ) Compared Inflation and LCC costs


Point in All Development Ultimately Engines Will US Made GE Which are 24x7 threat of under Embargo Anytime We purchase Russian weapons in future


You forgetting MLU cost of 7-8 billion $ MLU cost MKI's inventory in future

Engine technology Is core of Any aviation infrastructure If We really want Self reliance it can't do it Without
Engines

If The MMRCA contract Bring us JV development in Engine With Safran then we should go for it
or else We still have to buy those 36 Rafale for 5-6 billion $ in follow up deal

You still think anybody will give us engine tech on platter despite all the jumla with Saffran and others....

 

[WARREN SS]

You still think anybody will give us engine tech on platter despite all the jumla with Saffran and others....

read my Post again

With proper money yes it is We don't need 100 % we already completed 70 % journey With Kaveri

 

[Blank]

Engine, engine, engine. We talk as if India can get the so-called engine at the stroke of a pen by just signing a deal with Rafale.

China be like : ha bhai, mera 10 year Ka mehnat toh aiseh hi tha. Bhosdike job chor deta hu. Mujhe bhi Rafale kharidna hai


I have heard we don't even have the proper infra and test facilities for engines in our country.

 

[WARREN SS]

Engine, engine, engine. We talk as if India get the so-called engine at the stroke of a pen by just signing a deal with Rafale.

China be like : ha bhai, mera 10 year Ka mehnat toh aiseh hi tha. Bhosdike job chor deta hu.

We Already on the line of GE 404 With Kaveri With negligible funds

DRDO achieved Many Things With less R&D cost than china in many fields including radar

point is We didn't have funds or monetary support like Chinese do

Neither have Chinese have global exposure And support like India with western powers

 

[Blank]

We Already on the line of GE 404 With Kaveri With negligible funds

DRDO achieved Many Things With less R&D cost than china in many fields including radar

point is We didn't have funds or monetary support like Chinese do

Neither have Chinese have global exposure And support like India with western powers

Country lacks testing facilities for aircraft engines: Kota Harinarayana

BENGALURU: One of the reasons for the delay in developing the indigenous Kaveri Engine for fighter aircraft is the lack of testing facilities in the country, ai

www.newindianexpress.com

 

[WARREN SS]

Country lacks testing facilities for aircraft engines: Kota Harinarayana

BENGALURU: One of the reasons for the delay in developing the indigenous Kaveri Engine for fighter aircraft is the lack of testing facilities in the country, ai

www.newindianexpress.com

Need Funds For that ???

We didn't had wind tunnel Facility first

or echo chambers for RADAR testing

We achieved Many things With LCA

20 billion (US$265.6 million) in developing the Kaveri engine since 1989,



BC its Peanuts compared Western nations And China

Even with this money Kaveri is on the line of GE 404 initial versions

 

[Vamsi]

Need Funds For that ???

We didn't had wind tunnel Facility first

or echo chambers for RADAR testing

We achieved Many things With LCA

20 billion (US$265.6 million) in developing the Kaveri engine since 1989,



BC its Peanuts compared Western nations And China

Even with this money Kaveri is on the line of GE 404 initial versions

Even with peanut sized funds, they did really really great, I can only imagine what they can do with full support and huge funding. Mudi shud stop funding mlecchas and divert that money in to our R&D. We are unnecessarily wasting 1.5 lakh crore rupees annually.

 

[Brood Father]

Tejas Mk-2 – India’s New SuperFighter Is Now One Of Top 4 Light Combat Aircraft In The World Along With ‘Idol’ Saab Gripen

Tejas Mk-2 is single-engine aircraft designed by HAL. Tejas jet has been touted as one of four leading light combat aircraft in the world

eurasiantimes.com

Tejas Mk-2 – India’s New SuperFighter Is Now One Of Top 4 Light Combat Aircraft In The World Along With ‘Idol’ Saab Gripen

 

[Emperor Kalki]

AFAIK, none of these radars you guys are discussing here use vivaldi or TSA. Just google to find the difference between slotted, notch, vivaldi etc. I guess there is a wide spread misconception that all notches are vivaldis.

 

[BON PLAN]

Tejas Mk-2 – India’s New SuperFighter Is Now One Of Top 4 Light Combat Aircraft In The World Along With ‘Idol’ Saab Gripen

Tejas Mk-2 is single-engine aircraft designed by HAL. Tejas jet has been touted as one of four leading light combat aircraft in the world

eurasiantimes.com

Tejas Mk-2 – India’s New SuperFighter Is Now One Of Top 4 Light Combat Aircraft In The World Along With ‘Idol’ Saab Gripen

Mk2 will only be a reality in a couple of years. Since then it's a phantasm.

 

[UnderFingy]

Mk2 will only be a reality in a couple of years. Since then it's a phantasm.

EurasianTimes loves stirring controversy once in a while.

 

[Kalkioftoday]

AFAIK, none of these radars you guys are discussing here use vivaldi or TSA. Just google to find the difference between slotted, notch, vivaldi etc. I guess there is a wide spread misconception that all notches are vivaldis.

Yup, not all notches are Vivaldi. F22's an/apg 77 and F35's an/apg 81 both aren't Vivaldi but the new radar of Korea's KF21 uses Vivaldi antennas

 

[Spitfire9]

Switched from Mk1 thread:

Fly way cost of Rafale
Is close 70-80 million
But actual contract cost near 8 billion $

Same way cost of 83 LCA mk1A pegged at 6.2 billion $

That includes LCC,Training, Infrastructure ,simulators
Weapon package and other misc expenditures

That Mk1A is just light weight category aircrafts

Considering MWF categories and
Avionics package it brings to the table
It will not cost less than 55 -60 million $

That is why current.cost of the deal valued at 11-12 billion $ for 7 -8 Squadrons with prototypes a
And trainers

The cost escalation factors renders every deal including Rafale.

Mk2 has a big advantage over the other types being considered for the 114 MRFA proposition - weapons source, weapons cost and support of the Indian weapons development and production sector. What Indian weapons are integrated on the MRFA candidates under consideration?

I think that the rumoured proposal to drop Mk2 in favour of MRFA is ridiculous. I think I am right in saying that 114 Mk2 aircraft would be cheaper to develop and buy than 114 of any of the MRFA contenders, would be cheaper to operate, would be cheaper to update, would be cheaper to equip with weapons and would serve as a stepping stone to many of the systems to be used on MRCA.

I propose dropping MRFA, buying 2-3 more squadrons of Rafale, ordering another 1-2 squadrons of Mk1A and getting Mk2 into production ASAP.

 

[Brood Father]

Switched from Mk1 thread:



Mk2 has a big advantage over the other types being considered for the 114 MRFA proposition - weapons source, weapons cost and support of the Indian weapons development and production sector. What Indian weapons are integrated on the MRFA candidates under consideration?

I think that the rumoured proposal to drop Mk2 in favour of MRFA is ridiculous. I think I am right in saying that 114 Mk2 aircraft would be cheaper to develop and buy than 114 of any of the MRFA contenders, would be cheaper to operate, would be cheaper to update, would be cheaper to equip with weapons and would serve as a stepping stone to many of the systems to be used on MRCA.

I propose dropping MRFA, buying 2-3 more squadrons of Rafale, ordering another 1-2 squadrons of Mk1A and getting Mk2 into production ASAP.

Aye aye spitfire

 

[MonaLazy]

Mk2 aircraft would be cheaper to develop and buy than 114 of any of the MRFA contenders

In the Rafale (most likely MRFA that IAF is simping for) vs Mk2 debate, the Rafale has a decisive advantage in payload while Mk2 has a clear advantage in cost- and by stacking more numbers for the same cost, that payload shortcoming is also largely made up for. We can be in more places at the same time- carrying a similar or more numbers of missiles as we can build so many more of them. Other advantages include ready/easy integration of homegrown weapons with local radar. Without counting benefits to local aero industry just as a fighting package Mk2 makes a lot of sense. Also, there is no way MRFA will be here before Mk2- which is slated to enter production in just about 5 years!

Tejas done, focus on three other fighter jets: two for IAF, one Navy

Three new fighter jets will be flying by 2026, of which two will be for the Air Force and one for the Navy, Girish S Deodhare, chief of Aeronautical Development Agency of the Defence Ministry, which has designed the LCA, told The Indian Express.

indianexpress.com

 

[Covfefe]

I don't think that the government will give into this idea of 114 foreign jets when you have something homegrown close to the delivery. And IAF's chief or the institution's viewpoint can be changed pretty easily when the government wants to.(they have jumped the seniority list in the past, nothing to stop them now). These French machines are pretty and mean, but they are bloody expensive and their midlife upgrade bills will be a bigger nightmare (Mirage upgrade remember anyone?). Unless there is some significant political angle to the deal (multiple ongoing discussions related to FTA with EU, French investments in India) with the French President's involvement, this 114 deal won't sail through. MoD can wait for this chief to retire if needed.