ADA Tejas Mark-II/Medium Weight Fighter

[Ar.gaurav28]

Now you are just dragging it for the sake of it as their is nothing but silliness in your argument.

The latter doesn't exist not even on paper properly yet.

The GE F 414 does. They didn't just threw 114-116 kn thrust out of nowhere but have done years of work to do that.

You can fly paper plane if you wish just don't tell me again.

Bro there isn’t even a prototype of the same! f414 epe is theoretically possible but they haven’t invested a dime in producing it’s components leave alone a prototype.
if they would have made even a single engine they would have been boasting about it all over the world like japan xf9 engine and Indian govt would be eager to pay and get manufacturing in India rather than ready to spend huge money in JV.
But nothing like this happening cause it doesn’t exists!

 

[Rassil Krishnan]

America will try to sabotage tejas mk2 as they know it would be pinnacle of aerospace industry and another international player would rise.
If it doesn't it would be a surprise.

it would not be the pinnacle of aerospace engg. but it will surely cement india's aircraft industry and remove many different aircraft from our inventory as it will fulfill the roles they used to completely and better.

 

[Ar.gaurav28]

it would not be the pinnacle of aerospace engg. but it will surely cement india's aircraft industry and remove many different aircraft from our inventory as it will fulfill the roles they used to completely and better.

It would be Pinnacle because without mk2 forget about AMCA a 5.5gen fighter ever becoming a reality!

 

[Flying Dagger]

Bro there isn’t even a prototype of the same! f414 epe is theoretically possible but they haven’t invested a dime in producing it’s components leave alone a prototype.
if they would have made even a single engine they would have been boasting about it all over the world like japan xf9 engine and Indian govt would be eager to pay and get manufacturing in India rather than ready to spend huge money in JV.
But nothing like this happening cause it doesn’t exists!

It's not theoretical plan made during sipping tea but lots of programming simulation happen before they claim. Teams comprising hundreds must have worked on it . It's almost 3 decade old engine and the new material and design allow for improvement in thrust. There are thousands of proven engine flying as proof of their ability than a prototype , they are only going to upgrade it.

They have spent the money which was required initially, they will only manufacture when they will have an order and not waste millions of dollars to boast that's the level A grade stupidity a company like GE won't do. P&W lost a lot of money trying to get Indian order not everyone is going to repeat the mistake.

 

[VikingGod]

this is explained in the ddr video on mk2.

Who is this F-ing Interviewer ? what stupid question asking ? We can buy second hand mirage ? Dumb-F .... idiot . We are not building mirage but much superior plane

 

[Bleh]

It would be Pinnacle because without mk2 forget about AMCA a 5.5gen fighter ever becoming a reality!

Then you're not using the correct adjective "pinnacle of X industry" means something else entirely.

It's not theoretical plan made during sipping tea but lots of programming simulation happen before they claim. Teams comprising hundreds must have worked on it .

And yet it doesn't exist!.. Not even prototypes planned in foreseeable future... Hmm, ok.

Let's check again in 2030.

 

[Trololo]

If the LCA Mk2 intakes are not getting redesigned (Like Hornet to Superhornet type transition), then won't it significantly cut down the performance of the F414 and consequently fuck up the aerodynamic performance of the aircraft?

 

[SavageKing456]

it would not be the pinnacle of aerospace engg. but it will surely cement india's aircraft industry and remove many different aircraft from our inventory as it will fulfill the roles they used to completely and better.

Dude speculations are already there about it being the best single engined combat aircraft in it's category

 

[SavageKing456]

15Aug2022 deadline do looks tough considering circumstances and where there is a talk about a 3rd wave of COVID pretty likely!

Agree yar it's really tough considering private players can't supply critical components on time due to this china virus.
This thing has harmed country in all matters

 

[Trololo]

Dude speculations are already there about it being the best single engined combat aircraft in it's category

With the Gripen E.

 

[SavageKing456]

With the Gripen E.

With the gripen E?
Wdym?

 

[Bleh]

If the LCA Mk2 intakes are not getting redesigned (Like Hornet to Superhornet type transition), then won't it significantly cut down the performance of the F414 and consequently fuck up the aerodynamic performance of the aircraft?

Good question!
They did get enslarged & canted. The increase is not as drastic as Hornet & SH, as in that every intake caters to an F414 each.. but here two of them do it together. So the size increase is split among both.

 

[MirageBlue]

LCA vs MWF..

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Very interesting..

Seems like quite a big difference..1.35m length increase for the MWF is that much? Did you include the Tejas Mk1 pitot probe in it's length? That would be incorrect, since the length increase of 1.35m is only in the fuselage.

How about the landing gear height increase? How was the delta calculated?

 

[Trololo]

Good question!
They did get enslarged & canted. The increase is not as drastic as Hornet & SH, as in that every intake caters to an F414 each.. but here two of them do it together. So the size increase is split among both.

Question is will the changes allow full usage of the F414's potential? Or are some compromises made? IMO the Gripen E intakes were the ones to go by. But then that's my layman thought.

 

[Bleh]

Question is will the changes allow full usage of the F414's potential? Or are some compromises made? IMO the Gripen E intakes were the ones to go by. But then that's my layman thought.

Gripen intakes are no larger than MWF's.. I've compared with the 414 nozzles at side-view

 

[Bleh]

Very interesting..

Seems like quite a big difference..1.35m length increase for the MWF is that much? Did you include the Tejas Mk1 pitot probe in it's length?

It's not 100% done yet, but is accurate enough (as much as can be done unofficially). This specific one used engine known dia between 404 & 414 as verification.

How about the landing gear height increase? How was the delta calculated?

Front view of ADA render from aero-india placard... At the belly the following was used. Thankfully in Tejas series you can tell where's the exact centre of landing-gear bay from the shaping.

 

[Bleh]

@MirageBlue PS:

This is the only part that remains unchanged. The overall fuselage is higher, induced by that nose-plug at the front (there's a slight angke mismatch between the jets here, so don't use it for that).

 

[MirageBlue]

Who is this F-ing Interviewer ? what stupid question asking ? We can buy second hand mirage ? Dumb-F .... idiot . We are not building mirage but much superior plane

Prasad is from DelhiDefence and his questions were excellent compared to those asked by ANY other interviewer.

He said that there are many who say that the Tejas Mk2 MWF is not necessary as we can just buy second hand Mirage-2000s instead..He just wanted to know the viewpoint of the Tejas Mk2 MWF PD on this question. he was not saying that the MWF isn't required, just what is the justification to be given to those naysayers.

 

[MirageBlue]

@MirageBlue PS:

This is the only part that remains unchanged. The overall fuselage is higher, induced by that nose-plug at the front (there's a slight angke mismatch between the jets here, so don't use it for that).

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Where exactly is that nose plug going in? Right behind the radome to fit the IRST?

Surprisingly, the MWF PD confirmed that the Tejas Mk2 MWF's radome is actually SMALLER than that of the Tejas Mk1 and Mk1A since they had to make space for the IRST.

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

Very good read :