ADA Tejas Mark-II/Medium Weight Fighter

[Suhaan]

MWF will take flight in 2022

Yes,but disappointed to see interest for Su57,hope this is not true

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

Yes,but disappointed to see interest for Su57,hope this is not true

No I don’t think so IAF has said that they will buy AMCA only watch the video

 

[A chauhan]

PMO project.

PMO putting pressure to speed up the development ?

No I don’t think so IAF has said that they will buy AMCA only watch the video

If iam not wrong IAF has said that they won't purchase any 5th gen ac from foreign countries.

 

[Suhaan]

PMO putting pressure to speed up the development ?


If iam not wrong IAF has said that they won't purchase any 5th gen ac from foreign countries.

Yes Air chief said the same and that is on record,but who are the ones according to this report are weighing in on Su57 to import
Rafale almost fulfills our immediate need for 5th gen aircraft till the time we fly our AMCA

 

[A chauhan]

Yes Air chief said the same and that is on record,but who are the ones according to this report are weighing in on Su57 to import
Rafale almost fulfills our immediate need for 5th gen aircraft till the time we fly our AMCA

Guess what, no one will sell IAF a true fifth gen fighter hence this stand. We already have rejected Su57 and we don't like F35.

 

[Suhaan]

Guess what, no one will sell IAF a true fifth gen fighter hence this stand. We already have rejected Su57 and we don't like F35.

But i guess Russians are aggressively pitching their Su57 to us despite being ignored earlier,we should not fall for them and should be stubborn on this regard

 

[A chauhan]

HAL should be closed - an opinion -

 

[HawkisRight]

Guess what, no one will sell IAF a true fifth gen fighter hence this stand. We already have rejected Su57 and we don't like F35.

Who told u we don't like F35
Chief Bhadauria on record said F22 and F35 are the best in the world (in reference to question regarding F21 offer, indirectly rejecting F21)

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

PMO putting pressure to speed up the development ?


If iam not wrong IAF has said that they won't purchase any 5th gen ac from foreign countries.

Yes you’re right I have reiterated it

 

[A chauhan]

Amca
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Orca
Mwf

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Last pic is Mk1A not MWF, I was searching canard in it.

 

[airtel]

HAL should be closed - an opinion -

Similarly Indian government's performance was below average since independence , they were failed miserably to develop world class infrastructure , industries , health care , education so we should give job of governance and administration to private players , RATAN Tata should be our president and Mukesh ambani should be our prime minister .

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Guess what, no one will sell IAF a true fifth gen fighter hence this stand. We already have rejected Su57 and we don't like F35.

We have not rejected jack. As for IAF, Su57 is still under process. If Amca fails or takes longer time to realise, Su57 is the fallback. I think Badauria or ex IAF chief mentioned that we will buy directly from Russia in the future if the need arises.

I somehow get the feeling Pakistan will introduce the 5th gen fighter first in the subcontinent through J31 and modified called as Project Azm. And since most of their fighters are obselete ranging from F7P, Mir 5 and even older F16 which are nearing 40 years of age they have holded their air force modernisation for quite long seeing IAF sq strength at all time low. But when IAF starts to modernise they will quickly move. For all their love, JF 17 has a limit and wont be inducted in PLAAF tells the story of aesa Blk 3 version. They need an new ac and they will jump directly to 5th gen to save costs. By that time if Amca isn't ready, the IAF will panic and will go to Su57. If US relationship is good then f35 considering S400 deployment would already be around by 10 years by then.

 

[patriots]

Mk2 cockpit.............
....excuse if posted before

 

[Tupac slayer]

On Any day i would bet on Tejas Mark2 rather than AMCA, Manohar Parrikar asked ADA & DRDO to go slow on AMCA and divert all resoruces to Tejas Aircraft, such kind of action is required now also, Priority should be for Tejas Mark 1 and Mark II, all other fancy things can wait for a while, If the Airforce want modern fighter Aircraft to replace Jaguar Aircraft on one to one basis, they will have HAL Tejas Mark 2, nothing else, If Pakistan Inducts J-31 we may induct SU-57 or FGFA Aircraft but on a favorable deal like TOT and local production

 

[Tupac slayer]

We have not rejected jack. As for IAF, Su57 is still under process. If Amca fails or takes longer time to realise, Su57 is the fallback. I think Badauria or ex IAF chief mentioned that we will buy directly from Russia in the future if the need arises.

I somehow get the feeling Pakistan will introduce the 5th gen fighter first in the subcontinent through J31 and modified called as Project Azm. And since most of their fighters are obselete ranging from F7P, Mir 5 and even older F16 which are nearing 40 years of age they have holded their air force modernisation for quite long seeing IAF sq strength at all time low. But when IAF starts to modernise they will quickly move. For all their love, JF 17 has a limit and wont be inducted in PLAAF tells the story of aesa Blk 3 version. They need an new ac and they will jump directly to 5th gen to save costs. By that time if Amca isn't ready, the IAF will panic and will go to Su57. If US relationship is good then f35 considering S400 deployment would already be around by 10 years by then.

Pakistan Air force has more obsolete aircraft when compared to Indian Airforce, Even If they some Induct J-31, that would be an replacement to some of their older mirages, rather than additional capability, Pakistan Airforce was always eager to have an 400 to 500 Combat Aircraft to deter IAF or deny IAF complete Air superiority . How many Aircrafts does Pakistan plan to Induct? what will be the cost? The cost of a J-31, A fifth generation aircraft may be equal to that of a Dassault Rafale? I dont think Chinese can provide J-31 as free lunch, In my opinion in future Pakistan Airforce may reduce the number of Aircraft's at least by 100 Nos and instead invest in Air Defence Systems, Pakistan needs to replace around some 250 Aircrafts by 2030. 120 F-7 and 130 Mirages. Out of these 60 F-17 Aircraft will be replaced by JF-17 Thunders. 60 F-7 and 130 Mirages still have to be replaced. but not sure how they would be replaced? Pakistan can also buy some F-16 from turkey or any other country that operates F-16, but given US support for F-16 that is an highly unlikely scenario. Aviation experts can clarify below points.

1) Can Pakistan Air force fly Mirages through ROSE upgrades till 2040? I did read in a Defence Article you can only upgrade an aircraft only upto a certain period of time, after that the aircraft has to be replaced? Has Pakistan Mirage aircraft's reached that point?

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

China has accepted that J20 is a Fourth generation aircraft the acceptance came after questions raised by Mr BS Dhanoa on its cannards and the ability to supercruise an article in Global Times mentioned J20 as a fourth generation Fighter

 

[Bahrtiya]

China has accepted that J20 is a Fourth generation aircraft the acceptance came after questions raised by Mr BS Dhanoa on its cannards and the ability to supercruise an article in Global Times mentioned J20 as a fourth generation Fighter

And they say rafel is 3.5 Gen, Chinese are behind world by 1 generation , lol.

 

[Bajirao]

Reposting from Mk1/Mk1A Thread:

Good opportunity for us to sign tripartite agreement for F414 engines and take firm orders for LCA Mk2 for VPAF, Thai AF, Indonesian AF, Philippines AF, Myanmar AF, and stitch together an anti China alliance.

Design and most subsystems will be Indian. IP of MWF will be Indian.


For other foreign subsystems for which clearance cannot come, there is always a Russian alternative. But I think these will be very minimal.



According to available info only engine will be major foreign component in MWF.


Its Data Links and formidable avionics will be Indian. If D-29 EW suite is anything to go by, DRDOs UEWS will be an excellent piece of kit. Probably in the same category as the Rafale. Here is where i see an opportunity:






If we can sell the LCA Mk2 to the VPAF, or any other country hostile to China (like Indonesia or Philippines), then we can also sell to them the following:



1> Astra Mk1 missile (110 km range)


2> Astra Mk2 missile (160km range)



3> Astra Mk3 SFDR missile (320 km range)


4> Astra IR close quarter combat missile (40km range)



5> SANT missile (20-30km anti tank missile)


6> SAAW anti airfield PGM (120+ km)


7> Rudram 1 anti awacs missile


8> Rudram 2 air to ground missile


9> Rudram 3 air to ground missile (SCALP class missile)


10> Brahmos NG missile (300 km max range under MTCR for exports)



11> Improved Sudarshan class of LGBs with kits for 250kg, 500kg, 1000kg, 1500kg, and 2000kg munitions. Can be configured to be in the class of the Paveway 2, Paveway 3, Spice, and Hammer munitions.


12> DRDO HSLD munition which can be used with the kits from point 11 above.


13> All upcoming Indian targeting and EW pods



14> Current OFB dumb munitions modeled on Russian dumb munitions.

15> Upcoming Indian loyal wingman type drones which whill significantly increase the capability of any aircraft it is paired with.


Once these airforces are locked in with the LCA Mk2, then it automatically creates a market for Indian munition and combat electronics sales. Most countries will prefer single source vendor for end to end solution (i.e India) in order to prevent all hotch-potch and avoid paying for integration costs of other weapons. For example, the Egyptian Rafales are ditto the French ones, whereas ours have India specific mods which are costly.

If these countries, however, want foreign weapons on their aircraft, they have the following to choose:

1> ASRAAM close combat missile from Europe.

2> Meteor missile (If permitted. I last heard they will allow meteor integration with an Indian radar)

3> Python 5 close combat missile from Israel (certified already)

4> Derby medium range missile (110 km class, already certified)

5> R-73 close combat missile from Russia (already certified)

6> R-77 medium range missile from Russia (possibly certified. not sure)

7> KAB series of Russian PGMs in the 250-1500kg class. (certified)

8> OFAB dumb russian munitions (certified)

9> Paveway 2 LGB kit (certified)

10> Griffin LGB kit (certified)

11> Kh-XX series of A2G and anti ship missiles (certified)


12> Spice kit

13> Hammer kit



All these are a TREMENDOUS list of options!! No other aircraft will give this kind of versatility as far as weapon systems are concerned!


Tejas Mk2 will be the only aircraft in the world which can easily integrate Indian, Russian, Israeli, and Western armaments. No other aircraft in the world will offer this diversity.


LCA Mk2 will also offer variety of targeting pods too

1> Upcoming Indian targeting pods

2> Israeli Litening (already integrated and most preferred)

3> French Talios

4> US Sniper pod (good possibility if sold to ME countries)

Also on offer will be missions training systems, pilot training, etc. Not to mention that any country who buys the LCA Mk2 will increase our strategic footprint there. The sale of MWF will pave the way to sell our under development AWACS aircraft too. And other electronics like radars and data links.

Good opportunity for us to make alliances and modernize some air forces at affordable prices. Just imagine a string of nations hostile to the Chinese and armed with a combination of MWFs, ORCAs, and a range of desi munitions. I think we should aggressively pursue this.

Rudram 1 is ngarm, rudram 3 is not scalp class. Brahmos ng,2 probably will never come..

 

[fire starter]

Rudram 1 is ngarm, rudram 3 is not scalp class. Brahmos ng,2 probably will never come..

Brahmos ng under development first testing by 2024-25. Air to air variant will come before that.

 

[Bajirao]

Brahmos ng under development first testing by 2024-25. Air to air variant will come before that.

This type of announcement from brahmos ceo has been coming since 2010...they are all in conceptual stage..no final decision has taken about going ahead..they do it to create panic in paki camp..rudram series will make brahmos ng unnecessary costly affair..then their is nasm-mr for naval role..