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Which role suits LCA 'Tejas' more than others from following options?

  • Interceptor-Defend Skies from Intruders.

    Votes: 342 51.3%
  • Airsuperiority-Complete control of the skies.

    Votes: 17 2.5%
  • Strike-Attack deep into enemy zone.

    Votes: 24 3.6%
  • Multirole-Perform multiple roles.

    Votes: 284 42.6%

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HariPrasad-1

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You can also make LCA Tejas MK1 a very good aircraft provided you slash down some weight and carry out some design changes including aerodynamic improvement. The current design allows the scope of aerodynamic improvement and some additional fuel. This will improve range and weapon carrying capability. AOA will improve further by atleast 2*. In his simulation study of Tejas VS F 16, Vivek Ahuja has observed that any weight reduction of Tejas from current level will significantly improve its combat capability. So we must bring down the weight to 6000 Kg from current 6580 kg. Some 200 kg weight reduction is possible in cables only which weighs 400 kg. Landing gear is also conservatively designed so as many LRUs. I believe that once the aircraft is inducted, we should start working on Improving aircraft.
 

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Internal politics again delaying the project. HAL again played its part, they can't get MK1A feasible so they delayed foc to buy some time, now we know why AF didn't rest the money to HAL after that 83 aircraft rfp drama.
 

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There was news before that Tejas FOC will be in July 2018 but now that is post poned to December 2018. I am very much disappointed by this new development.
 

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MoD in a shock after HAL seeks Rs 463cr per LCA jet, more than Su-30 MKI

The euphoria within the defence establishment over the induction of the first indigenous Light Combat Aircraft into the IAF appears to have subsided with the Defence Ministry forming a committee to look into the “high price” demanded by Bengaluru-based public sector manufacturer, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), for Tejas Mark1A.

Sources told The Indian Express that in response to a request for a proposal for 83 Tejas Mark1A fighter jets issued by the IAF in December last year, HAL quoted a price of Rs 463 crore per jet in April. This raised eyebrows in the government, sources said, as the price compared unfavourably even with more modern foreign fighters. “The HAL supplies the more modern Russian Sukhoi fighter, which it assembles at Nashik, at Rs 415 crore. The Russians supply it at Rs 330 crore. The Swedish Gripen was offered to us for Rs 455 crore, and F-16 for Rs 380 crore, and both were to be made in India. The HAL itself gave us Tejas Mark1 at Rs 100 crore less. This price for an improved version seems high,” sources said.

Concerned about the price for an indigenous fighter jet, which the government has been keen to promote under Make in India scheme, the committee set up by the Defence Ministry will look into the pricing of military equipment manufactured by defence PSUs. The committee is headed by Principal Advisor (Cost) in the ministry and is likely to submit its report in the next few weeks.

Once the committee submits its report, the ministry will form a commercial negotiations committee (CNC) to bring down HAL’s price for the jet. The contract for 83 jets, sources said, will take another year before it is finally signed.

According to sources, the Defence Ministry is also concerned about the delay in supply of the existing order of the first lot of 40 Tejas fighter jets. In last three years, only nine fighter jets in Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) mode were supplied against an order of 20. The order for another 20 Tejas jets in Final Operational Clearance (FOC) has not even begun, as the FOC has not yet been attained by the aircraft. The ministry has also agreed that the HAL will supply eight trainer aircraft out of 40, after the 36 Tejas Mark1 have been supplied. “The idea was that HAL will produce 18 Tejas fighters every year. That is the only way we can provide IAF to make up its numbers as its older fighters go out of service. But there has been a delay and we are in touch with HAL about it,” sources said.

The ministry had also asked IAF about allegations that it had made constant changes in ASQR (Air Staff Quality Requirements), which could have led to the delay. They found that there have been no changes in the ASQR of Tejas Mark1A, since it was first formalised in 2014. Even in the case of Tejas Mark1, the IAF had given 135 concessions on the ASQR to HAL.
 

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There was news before that Tejas FOC will be in July 2018 but now that is post poned to December 2018. I am very much disappointed by this new development.
FOC will be initiated in July and completed after 6 months in December.
 

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MoD in a shock after HAL seeks Rs 463cr per LCA jet, more than Su-30 MKI

The euphoria within the defence establishment over the induction of the first indigenous Light Combat Aircraft into the IAF appears to have subsided with the Defence Ministry forming a committee to look into the “high price” demanded by Bengaluru-based public sector manufacturer, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), for Tejas Mark1A.

Sources told The Indian Express that in response to a request for a proposal for 83 Tejas Mark1A fighter jets issued by the IAF in December last year, HAL quoted a price of Rs 463 crore per jet in April. This raised eyebrows in the government, sources said, as the price compared unfavourably even with more modern foreign fighters. “The HAL supplies the more modern Russian Sukhoi fighter, which it assembles at Nashik, at Rs 415 crore. The Russians supply it at Rs 330 crore. The Swedish Gripen was offered to us for Rs 455 crore, and F-16 for Rs 380 crore, and both were to be made in India. The HAL itself gave us Tejas Mark1 at Rs 100 crore less. This price for an improved version seems high,” sources said.

Concerned about the price for an indigenous fighter jet, which the government has been keen to promote under Make in India scheme, the committee set up by the Defence Ministry will look into the pricing of military equipment manufactured by defence PSUs. The committee is headed by Principal Advisor (Cost) in the ministry and is likely to submit its report in the next few weeks.

Once the committee submits its report, the ministry will form a commercial negotiations committee (CNC) to bring down HAL’s price for the jet. The contract for 83 jets, sources said, will take another year before it is finally signed.

According to sources, the Defence Ministry is also concerned about the delay in supply of the existing order of the first lot of 40 Tejas fighter jets. In last three years, only nine fighter jets in Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) mode were supplied against an order of 20. The order for another 20 Tejas jets in Final Operational Clearance (FOC) has not even begun, as the FOC has not yet been attained by the aircraft. The ministry has also agreed that the HAL will supply eight trainer aircraft out of 40, after the 36 Tejas Mark1 have been supplied. “The idea was that HAL will produce 18 Tejas fighters every year. That is the only way we can provide IAF to make up its numbers as its older fighters go out of service. But there has been a delay and we are in touch with HAL about it,” sources said.

The ministry had also asked IAF about allegations that it had made constant changes in ASQR (Air Staff Quality Requirements), which could have led to the delay. They found that there have been no changes in the ASQR of Tejas Mark1A, since it was first formalised in 2014. Even in the case of Tejas Mark1, the IAF had given 135 concessions on the ASQR to HAL.
It's time for Indian government to shake HAL.
 

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This news are there, but I can't believe it though.

Anyway, this is the same HAL , same Tejas, and no crash in nearly 4000 test flights.
This was also told in parliament -


The cost of IOC Tejas was 135 crore per piece, cost of FOC tejas is 300 crore per piece. Cost of tejas MK1A for 83 planes is even higher. The cost escalation of the FOC Tejas is understandable as development cost is involved 1hich is shared by just 20 planes. But here 83 planes are included and development cost divided between 83 planes must have been lower.
 

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These types of article will crop up as always. This time without mentioning the quoted price of mk1a is with weapons integrated or not when tejas is homing into FOC without any accident this far. Besides the article also pitched for gripen and f16 at lower cost.
 

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These types of article will crop up as always. This time without mentioning the quoted price of mk1a is with weapons integrated or not when tejas is homing into FOC without any accident this far. Besides the article also pitched for gripen and f16 at lower cost.
Actually ADA\DRDO booklet has said that 50000 crore order for Tejas is in place. So, it is not a fraud article. Also, refer to this thread conversation between december 23 to January 7 and you will see that this price issue has already been discussed on this forum
 

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It's high time to hand over entire Tejas program to Tata Aerospace limited. I hate HAL. I repeat I hate HAL.:frusty::frusty::shoot:
we can also say that it's the price to pay to become totally independent. You need to built quite an entire industry (it not really the case), and it cost a lot at the beginning.

But HAL is not the nice partner.
 

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MoD in a shock after HAL seeks Rs 463cr per LCA jet, more than Su-30 MKI

The euphoria within the defence establishment over the induction of the first indigenous Light Combat Aircraft into the IAF appears to have subsided with the Defence Ministry forming a committee to look into the “high price” demanded by Bengaluru-based public sector manufacturer, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), for Tejas Mark1A.

Sources told The Indian Express that in response to a request for a proposal for 83 Tejas Mark1A fighter jets issued by the IAF in December last year, HAL quoted a price of Rs 463 crore per jet in April. This raised eyebrows in the government, sources said, as the price compared unfavourably even with more modern foreign fighters. “The HAL supplies the more modern Russian Sukhoi fighter, which it assembles at Nashik, at Rs 415 crore. The Russians supply it at Rs 330 crore. The Swedish Gripen was offered to us for Rs 455 crore, and F-16 for Rs 380 crore, and both were to be made in India. The HAL itself gave us Tejas Mark1 at Rs 100 crore less. This price for an improved version seems high,” sources said.

Concerned about the price for an indigenous fighter jet, which the government has been keen to promote under Make in India scheme, the committee set up by the Defence Ministry will look into the pricing of military equipment manufactured by defence PSUs. The committee is headed by Principal Advisor (Cost) in the ministry and is likely to submit its report in the next few weeks.

Once the committee submits its report, the ministry will form a commercial negotiations committee (CNC) to bring down HAL’s price for the jet. The contract for 83 jets, sources said, will take another year before it is finally signed.

According to sources, the Defence Ministry is also concerned about the delay in supply of the existing order of the first lot of 40 Tejas fighter jets. In last three years, only nine fighter jets in Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) mode were supplied against an order of 20. The order for another 20 Tejas jets in Final Operational Clearance (FOC) has not even begun, as the FOC has not yet been attained by the aircraft. The ministry has also agreed that the HAL will supply eight trainer aircraft out of 40, after the 36 Tejas Mark1 have been supplied. “The idea was that HAL will produce 18 Tejas fighters every year. That is the only way we can provide IAF to make up its numbers as its older fighters go out of service. But there has been a delay and we are in touch with HAL about it,” sources said.

The ministry had also asked IAF about allegations that it had made constant changes in ASQR (Air Staff Quality Requirements), which could have led to the delay. They found that there have been no changes in the ASQR of Tejas Mark1A, since it was first formalised in 2014. Even in the case of Tejas Mark1, the IAF had given 135 concessions on the ASQR to HAL.
We need to stop sharing such crappy paid articles.

463 crores is 67.4 mil$ a piece.
In comparision, Brazil signed a 4.68 bil$ deal for 36 Gripen E which is 130mil$ a piece
Pakistan was about to sign for 8 F-16 for 700mil$ in 2015-16 which is 87.5mil$ each.
Rafale as we all know costed over 200$ a each.

So Tejas mk1A be it 67.4 - 90 mil$ (inclusive everything) is still on the lowest side.

Downvote such paid news.
 
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