ADA Tejas (LCA) News and Discussions

[BON PLAN]

and plz dont link your m88 with kaveri our kaveri is and will be indians there is no way m88 or its core can be fitted in kaveri as both engine are different and dont try to discredit gtre we have now solved all problems on kaveri and soon it will be flying with no outside help

There are two differents history here in France :
A Safranised Kaveri with M88 hot parts (full core or simply some components ???)
A Kaveri with all indian components, but with the special sauce from Safran.

Maybe the two....

 

[BON PLAN]

Do you even know how engines work? Who told you that we can take core from Russian engine and then use it using American cold parts? cores are not plug and play. Just like you can't use the wheel of a bike on a cycle or use a Mercedes benz engine in Maruti alto, core also has the same problems.

It's easier to work around a mature core for all the other than to developp a whole engine from the beginning.
It's not easy, just easier.

And it's not the first time some components of an engine are used for another.

 

[MrPresident]

Hold on hot shot...I meant safranized Kaveri... Where M88 parts to be used in kaveri so that an engine with sufficient thrust can be created.

When did I tell to take Russian core. I suggest to read my complete response rather than taking my response otherwise.

Do you even know how engines work? Who told you that we can take core from Russian engine and then use it using American cold parts? cores are not plug and play. Just like you can't use the wheel of a bike on a cycle or use a Mercedes benz engine in Maruti alto, core also has the same problems.

Next, when did M88 be tested in a light for 90kN thrust? Why don't you put this question?

About Kaveri not being used in Tejas, that is because it is not yet ready and is being readied. Kaveri will be ready only in 2019.

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[Kshithij]

Hold on hot shot...I meant safranized Kaveri... Where M88 parts to be used in kaveri so that an engine with sufficient thrust can be created.

When did I tell to take Russian core. I suggest to read my complete response rather than taking my response otherwise.

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Even M88 core can't be used as plug and play. Again, M88 core can't get 90+kN thrust needed. Going by recent news of 17.5tonne Tejas, it is likely to need 105kN. M88 is not fit for it.

 

[MrPresident]

Even M88 core can't be used as plug and play. Again, M88 core can't get 90+kN thrust needed. Going by recent news of 17.5tonne Tejas, it is likely to need 105kN. M88 is not fit for it.

I never said it's plug and play or did I? Stop putting words in to my sentences.

I was talking of getting a workable engine using M88 parts which are already certified.. let tht be. Even in future we can retrofit the LCA with our own engine why not? U never can depend on uncle Sam. You are talking of Mk2, why forgetting the current lot and the MK1A?

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[Kshithij]

I never said it's plug and play or did I? Stop putting words in to my sentences.

I was talking of getting a workable engine using M88 parts which are already certified.. let tht be. Even in future we can retrofit the LCA with our own engine why not? U never can depend on uncle Sam. You are talking of Mk2, why forgetting the current lot and the MK1A?

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All parts of an engine are perfectly synced for that engine only and can't be adopted in another engine. M88 parts can't be used in Kaveri.

By the way, who told you that Kaveri will never be completed? By 2019, expect it to be completed and into flight trials. USA engines will not be needed for long. Kaveri engine is a project since 1996 and it has made decent progress regularly except in UPA2 era. So, it should be no surprise that Kaveri can be made right soon. Also, India makes Al31F & RD33 engines inhouse which in turn shows the capability of India to make engines, although a slightly older generation ones

 

[abingdonboy]

according to latest report ..from saurav jha ......all kaveri problem s are solved ..........
and another update.......sp 10 is coming in June end

March was when the last SP was delivered, this isn’t good enough, they said they would attain 12/year this FY, HAL has no more excuses- the issue with the second production line that lead to delays with SP-5 won’t be repeated.

 

[darshan978]

If GTRE have resolved all the issues then why are they not flying Tejas with Kaveri???

In a longer run may be we can have our own core and 100% indigenous engine. But as of now we have to make do with M88 core.

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kya fekte ho tum waah chaalu rakho apni fantasy

 

[darshan978]

There are two differents history here in France :
A Safranised Kaveri with M88 hot parts (full core or simply some components ???)
A Kaveri with all indian components, but with the special sauce from Safran.

Maybe the two....

stop dreaming it wont happen we have built on our own no need for your m88

 

[kamaal]

March was when the last SP was delivered, this isn’t good enough, they said they would attain 12/year this FY, HAL has no more excuses- the issue with the second production line that lead to delays with SP-5 won’t be repeated.

March coincided with Defence Expo and it forced HAL to stay in news. SP-10 to 12 are almost complete, by looking at the progress in last posted interview on CNBC.

Some are predicting June end for SP-10, I doubt with this speed they won't be able to fulfill their promise of 12/month this FY. Or are they delaying the delivery due to delay/change in MK1A specification ?

I am only waiting for FOC, lets hope they achieve it before August/september, although they have given deadline of July.

 

[patriots]

March coincided with Defence Expo and it forced HAL to stay in news. SP-10 to 12 are almost complete, by looking at the progress in last posted interview on CNBC.

Some are predicting June end for SP-10, I doubt with this speed they won't be able to fulfill their promise of 12/month this FY. Or are they delaying the delivery due to delay/change in MK1A specification ?

I am only waiting for FOC, lets hope they achieve it before August/september, although they have given deadline of July.

according to Tejas lca FB page.. admin......sp10 Will be ready in June end ..
.may be we see 2. to 3 sps like we have seen in March(my speculation)

 

[MrPresident]

All parts of an engine are perfectly synced for that engine only and can't be adopted in another engine. M88 parts can't be used in Kaveri.

By the way, who told you that Kaveri will never be completed? By 2019, expect it to be completed and into flight trials. USA engines will not be needed for long. Kaveri engine is a project since 1996 and it has made decent progress regularly except in UPA2 era. So, it should be no surprise that Kaveri can be made right soon. Also, India makes Al31F & RD33 engines inhouse which in turn shows the capability of India to make engines, although a slightly older generation ones

I never said, Kaveri wont be completed. If GTRE has resolved all the issues then why the consultancy with Safran?? So u mean to say metallurgy of the parts used is different for each engine? way to go brother.

You have been peddling this BS for a long time that we make Al31F and RD33 so we can build an engine on our own. So if we are so capable why not build it already and put it on LCA? what is stopping us?

Its the difference between a mechanic and an engineer, all these while we have got the TOT not the KNOW HOW.

 

[MrPresident]

kya fekte ho tum waah chaalu rakho apni fantasy

Seriously ask urself why have we asked help from Safran as a offset for Rafale purchase? If we have resolved all the issues. you ll have ur answer. So why the partnership between SAFRAN and DRDO to the tune of $1 Billion? we could have got something else as TOT or other things as offset. come out of ur dream world, if we had an engine with required thrust we would be the first to tout it and not make a deal.

https://www.livefistdefence.com/201...of-frances-e4-billion-india-offsets-plan.html

 

[BON PLAN]

stop dreaming it wont happen we have built on our own no need for your m88

OK, OK.
But your Kaveri, even after decades, is not airworthy, so..... continue to dream of a 100% indian ground base only Kaveri....

 

[BON PLAN]

M88 core can't get 90+kN thrust needed. Going by recent news of 17.5tonne Tejas, it is likely to need 105kN. M88 is not fit for it.

NO.
There is a 90Kn M88 already tested.
The bigger father of the M88 family is centererd on 105Kn.

Stop saying BS dude.
You are are proud to be indian, and are right to do so, but it's not a reason for saying everything, specialy false things.

 

[leap_x]

? I realy don't know. Are you sure?

I am pretty sure. Safran provided the core and Russians designed low pressure modules,just like the cooperation between USA and France on CFM56 in the 1970s.(Americans provided the core and SNECMA designed the low pressure modules).
Actucally Safran（or SNECMA）suggested similar cooperation to China for ARJ-21 project.But right then we were not ready for such cooperation yet,technically and financially.

 

[Kshithij]

I never said, Kaveri wont be completed. If GTRE has resolved all the issues then why the consultancy with Safran?? So u mean to say metallurgy of the parts used is different for each engine? way to go brother.

You have been peddling this BS for a long time that we make Al31F and RD33 so we can build an engine on our own. So if we are so capable why not build it already and put it on LCA? what is stopping us?

Its the difference between a mechanic and an engineer, all these while we have got the TOT not the KNOW HOW.

Al31F was given by russia after 2010 as part of the agreement of 2003-4. By then, UPA had been trying its best to scuttle kaveri due to foreign interference.

India made no 1 billion deal with safran. It wae just 2 million dollars consultancy for certification

 

[MrPresident]

Any source for the 2 million deal? I gave u my source for a billion dollar deal?

Al31F was given by russia after 2010 as part of the agreement of 2003-4. By then, UPA had been trying its best to scuttle kaveri due to foreign interference.

India made no 1 billion deal with safran. It wae just 2 million dollars consultancy for certification

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[BON PLAN]

I am pretty sure. Safran provided the core and Russians designed low pressure modules,just like the cooperation between USA and France on CFM56 in the 1970s.(Americans provided the core and SNECMA designed the low pressure modules).
Actucally Safran（or SNECMA）suggested similar cooperation to China for ARJ-21 project.But right then we were not ready for such cooperation yet,technically and financially.

I know SAFRAN was responsible for the hot core, but I don't know if it is the M88 core. I've a great doubt (because the other partner is russia !)

 

[leap_x]

I know SAFRAN was responsible for the hot core, but I don't know if it is the M88 core. I've a great doubt (because the other partner is russia !)

That is not that much a problem。
1 core engine is delivered to joint venture as a major module for assembly under supervision. The core will not be exposed as piece parts.
2 The relation is not always hostile. Do you forget the Mistral-class amphibious assault ship deal?'
3 Russian do benefit from the cooperation. But it is more about management,certification,reliability/durability/safety standard than technology.