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[Steven Rogers]

Amen more is best, but we need IRST internally mounted, and no development in such field.

Space constraint, mk2 can make use of IRST, the project of IRST will be sanctioned in the next decade.

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[rohit b3]

IAF to give its Tejas jets the Meteor missile edge



Seeking to enhance the capability of the indigenous Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas, the Indian Air Force is planning to equip it with a long-range missile of the Meteor class which will help it get an edge over the jets of the adversaries.

The missiles are required to be equipped on the 83 Mark 1A LCAs for which an order has been placed by the air force with the public sector unit Hindustan Aeronautics Limited.

"The request for proposal has asked the aircraft to be equipped with a long range beyond visual range missile of the class of Meteor which can take out enemy aircraft in the range of more than 100 kilometres. This would help the LCA get an edge over the aircraft with adversaries," said government sources.

The LCA Mark 1A, which will be lesser capable than the LCA Mark 2 which is under development by the DRDO agencies, lacks certain capabilities when compared to the other planes but with a longer range missile, it can take down the enemy aircraft without coming in their striking ranges, the sources added.

Both Pakistan and China do not have a missile in the range of the Meteor which has been developed by a European consortium and would be equipped with the Rafale combat planes that are being acquired from France by India. India has bought a package of the European Meteor missiles along with the Rafales and may prove to be game changers due to their beyondvisual-range striking capability of over 100 km.

The sources said that till the Kargil war and a few years after that, the Indian Air Force had complete superiority over the Pakistan Air Force as it did not have any beyond-visualrange missile fitted on their F-16s or the Chinese supplied planes.

The Meteor missile was not part of the Rafale deal that was being done by the UPA government but when Modi decided to go in for an emergency procurement of the Rafale planes from France, the IAF desired to include the Meteors as part of the weapons package.

During the Kargil War, the Indian side had two beyond-visual-range missiles which included the French S530D and the Russian RVV AE missile which deterred the Pakistanis from using its fighter plane fleet in the Kargil war with India, the sources said.

"The over-arching consideration was the BVR missile capability of IAF fighters which impinged unfavourably on the mission success probability," former Pakistan Air Force officer air commodore Kaiser Taufel had written in his blog about the war.

"One good thing about the Meteor is that it has not yet been integrated with any American-origin aircraft and the Pakistani F-16s or the Chinese-origin JF-17s can't get them in the times to come as well. The possibility of the Chinese integrating them is also ruled out," a source said.

https://www.indiatoday.in/mail-toda...ts-the-meteor-missile-edge-1233085-2018-05-14

Where's Astra 's follow-on missile ? Astra itself has a range of upto 80 kms . Infact I was looking up Astra's track records on Wiki.
18 Ground tests, 14 successful - 78% success rate
9 Flight tests , 8 successful - 89% success rate.
And still no integration with Tejas.

4000 + Test flights before FOC of Tejas.

Who the hell even does so many tests before induction.

 

[sthf]

Who the hell even does so many tests before induction.

Women who don't want to buy anything but still go into the shop and say "Bhaiyya yeh kisi aur colour main hain kya?"

 

[Kshithij]

Where's Astra 's follow-on missile ? Astra itself has a range of upto 80 kms . Infact I was looking up Astra's track records on Wiki.
18 Ground tests, 14 successful - 78% success rate
9 Flight tests , 8 successful - 89% success rate.
And still no integration with Tejas.

4000 + Test flights before FOC of Tejas.

Who the hell even does so many tests before induction.

Astra has next version which will have dual pulsed motor like Barak SAM. That will give it additional range as it will have the capability of accelerating at the end stage and thus increase the NEZ.

The final version will be meteor type missile with ducted ramjet. It may not be named Astra, however.


You are missing a point with Astra that the indian seeker is only recent. Till now, it was using R77 seeker from Russia.

Also, about Tejas FOC, the test flight only validates its capability of flight, not of avionics. UPA purposefully wasted massive amount of time and Tejas project did not go ahead at all. So, it takes some more time to get the avionics

 

[Steven Rogers]

Where's Astra 's follow-on missile ? Astra itself has a range of upto 80 kms . Infact I was looking up Astra's track records on Wiki.
18 Ground tests, 14 successful - 78% success rate
9 Flight tests , 8 successful - 89% success rate.
And still no integration with Tejas.

4000 + Test flights before FOC of Tejas.

Who the hell even does so many tests before induction.

India is not west, we have diverse climate conditions, we have to test the system on every climate.

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[Enquirer]

Astra has next version which will have dual pulsed motor like Barak SAM. That will give it additional range as it will have the capability of accelerating at the end stage and thus increase the NEZ.

The final version will be meteor type missile with ducted ramjet. It may not be named Astra, however.


You are missing a point with Astra that the indian seeker is only recent. Till now, it was using R77 seeker from Russia.

Also, about Tejas FOC, the test flight only validates its capability of flight, not of avionics. UPA purposefully wasted massive amount of time and Tejas project did not go ahead at all. So, it takes some more time to get the avionics

Astra Mk2 project hasn't yet started - may start later this year!!!

 

[Kshithij]

Astra Mk2 project hasn't yet started - may start later this year!!!

DRDO is working on Astra MK2 with dual pulsed motor. It already started in 2015. Astra MK1 was ready in 2015 itself but not inducted as the seeker was Russian. So, with the work of Astra MK1 motor being complete, the next step was Astra MK2. The seeker was a parallel development which got completed recently. The seeker is likely to remain the same in Astra Mk2. Only the motor is changing

 

[Enquirer]

DRDO is working on Astra MK2 with dual pulsed motor. It already started in 2015. Astra MK1 was ready in 2015 itself but not inducted as the seeker was Russian. So, with the work of Astra MK1 motor being complete, the next step was Astra MK2. The seeker was a parallel development which got completed recently. The seeker is likely to remain the same in Astra Mk2. Only the motor is changing

Once again, you just make up BS stories!!!

Astra Mk2 project proposal is currently being formulated, it will be presented to MoD shortly. It will most likely be approved!
DRDO had stated multiple times that Astra Mk2 work did not begin earlier (even though it could have) because IAF hadn't made up its mind on what exactly it wanted in Astra Mk2!!

Fanboys like you keep making up nonsense all the time! If only you could spend more time reading, researching & most importantly thinking logically then you wouldn't have continually make a fool of yourself on the forum!

 

[Kshithij]

Once again, you just make up BS stories!!!

Astra Mk2 project proposal is currently being formulated, it will be presented to MoD shortly. It will most likely be approved!
DRDO had stated multiple times that Astra Mk2 work did not begin earlier (even though it could have) because IAF hadn't made up its mind on what exactly it wanted in Astra Mk2!!

Fanboys like you keep making up nonsense all the time! If only you could spend more time reading, researching & most importantly thinking logically then you wouldn't have continually make a fool of yourself on the forum!

Give me source about the same. Then we can see who is making fool out of whom.

 

[Kshithij]

Once again, you just make up BS stories!!!

Astra Mk2 project proposal is currently being formulated, it will be presented to MoD shortly. It will most likely be approved!
DRDO had stated multiple times that Astra Mk2 work did not begin earlier (even though it could have) because IAF hadn't made up its mind on what exactly it wanted in Astra Mk2!!

Fanboys like you keep making up nonsense all the time! If only you could spend more time reading, researching & most importantly thinking logically then you wouldn't have continually make a fool of yourself on the forum!

Here are my sources:
https://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/astra-beyond-visual-range-bvr-air-to-air-missile/
https://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?t=7107

 

[Enquirer]

Here are my sources:
https://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/astra-beyond-visual-range-bvr-air-to-air-missile/
https://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?t=7107

Your sources are other fanboys speculating fervently??

My sources are official interviews with DRDO chiefs & official documents of MoD! Don't even want to waste my time trying to convince you!

Your problem is your inability to separate chaff from wheat!!

 

[Zer0]

Here are my sources:
https://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/astra-beyond-visual-range-bvr-air-to-air-missile/
https://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?t=7107

Astra Mk-II is on proposal stage to MoD haven't started yet. It will be based on SFDR technology which we are developing with Russia.

 

[Kshithij]

Your sources are other fanboys speculating fervently??

My sources are official interviews with DRDO chiefs & official documents of MoD! Don't even want to waste my time trying to convince you!

Your problem is your inability to separate chaff from wheat!!

Airforce technology website is not fanboy website. You are the dumb guy who is mistaking SFDR with Astra Mk2.

Why don't you give source other than pulling things out of your arse?

Astra Mk-II is on proposal stage to MoD haven't started yet. It will be based on SFDR technology which we are developing with Russia.

You are mistaking SFDR with Astra 2 which is a dual pulsed motor.

 

[Enquirer]

Airforce technology website is not fanboy website. You are the dumb guy who is mistaking SFDR with Astra Mk2.

Why don't you give source other than pulling things out of your arse?


You are mistaking SFDR with Astra 2 which is a dual pulsed motor.

That website doesn't give any specific information on Astra Mk2 other than a passing reference to Mk2.

Only idiots like you will keep quoting other fanboys and third party write ups, but ignore what's stated by horse's mouth (DRDO chiefs & MoD principals). Why don't you put in the work to pull out all interviews on the topic instead of demanding it like an asshole? My principle is provide as much info as possible when requested nicely - I usually ask loud mouthed, lazy morons to take a walk!

At this time it's not clear if SFDR will go into Astra Mk2 or a dual pulse rocket. It is being formulated. SFDR tech project has another 2 years to complete!

 

[Kshithij]

That website doesn't give any specific information on Astra Mk2 other than a passing reference to Mk2.

Only idiots like you will keep quoting other fanboys and third party write ups, but ignore what's stated by horse's mouth (DRDO chiefs & MoD principals). Why don't you put in the work to pull out all interviews on the topic instead of demanding it like an asshole? My principle is provide as much info as possible when requested nicely - I usually ask loud mouthed, lazy morons to take a walk!

At this time it's not clear if SFDR will go into Astra Mk2 or a dual pulse rocket. It is being formulated. SFDR tech project has another 2 years to complete!

Why would you think that astra MK2 will have either dual pulsed or SFDR? It could be that both are made. Dual pulsed rocket is much cheaper and easier to make than SFDR and hence be made en masse. There could be 2 types of BVR - Dual pulsed and SFDR and Astra Mk1 might be retired as obsolete.

There are other possibility than your assumption. Your assumption is not valid always.

 

[Neeraj Mathur]

hey guys

i saw a tejas ucav or drone version on this site some time back
can anyone update me with its present status.

 

[AMCA]

hey guys

i saw a tejas ucav or drone version on this site some time back
can anyone update me with its present status.

Project has been cleared by the government. Work on unmanned Tejas will start as soon as Mk1 achieves FOC this year.

 

[Enquirer]

Why would you think that astra MK2 will have either dual pulsed or SFDR? It could be that both are made. Dual pulsed rocket is much cheaper and easier to make than SFDR and hence be made en masse. There could be 2 types of BVR - Dual pulsed and SFDR and Astra Mk1 might be retired as obsolete.

There are other possibility than your assumption. Your assumption is not valid always.

Further proof of your dyslexia!

I never said anything that you claim are assumptions made by me.

It just shows that you're incapable of reading something and assimilating the stated facts!

 

[zebra7]

Where's Astra 's follow-on missile ? Astra itself has a range of upto 80 kms . Infact I was looking up Astra's track records on Wiki.
18 Ground tests, 14 successful - 78% success rate
9 Flight tests , 8 successful - 89% success rate.
And still no integration with Tejas.

4000 + Test flights before FOC of Tejas.

Who the hell even does so many tests before induction.

Astra mk1 has russian seeker, the export variant of that of r77 BVR. The russian pylon supports Astra, and the weapon store management system, and interface with bars radar, which again is russian. So it will first be equipped the mki, Mig 29, and afterwards other birds including Tejas. The r73 ccm took 1.5 years to get incorporated with LCA, thus it will take a while to gets integrated with the LCA and tests for aerodynamic verifications. However I feels that the choice of BVR would depend on the Radar selection for the Projected mk1a aka if Israeli el 2052 is selected than Derby, and if french aesa than Mica.

My personal favorite is MBDA Mica IR and RF for LCA.

 

[Steven Rogers]

Astra mk1 has russian seeker, the export variant of that of r77 BVR. The russian pylon supports Astra, and the weapon store management system, and interface with bars radar, which again is russian. So it will first be equipped the mki, Mig 29, and afterwards other birds including Tejas. The r73 ccm took 1.5 years to get incorporated with LCA, thus it will take a while to gets integrated with the LCA and tests for aerodynamic verifications. However I feels that the choice of BVR would depend on the Radar selection for the Projected mk1a aka if Israeli el 2052 is selected than Derby, and if french aesa than Mica.

My personal favorite is MBDA Mica IR and RF for LCA.

Seeker replaced, and Su30 fired missile with the Indian seeker to validate integration.

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