ADA Tejas (LCA) News and Discussions

[Sancho]

But still we dont know which aesa they wil use for mk1a? Integrating aesa radar will take lot of time.

Sadly we don't, since the evaluations might still going on, we haven't seen much news on those tenders for some time. Yes it will take time, especially if we don't go for the Israeli one, which then might mean, that we have to repeat the Python V / Derby integration again.

 

[pankaj nema]

Tejas is a multi role fighter and at this point, it's actually more useful for strikes than for interception or air policing.

With wing fuel tanks, it has enough range for a light class fighter, but it's the lack of hardpoints and the external SPJ that will limit it's load and self defence capabilities.

Also in A2A roles, it's not range that it needs, but endurance. It uses the smaller 800l fuel tanks, that's why IAF required the addition of the refueling probe, to extend the endurance. That helps on that issue, but not on the limited number of weapons and then lack of flight performance.

IAF will not send Tejas or any plane without an external SPJ

800 L tanks are also good enough

IFR is Impractical for all planes

Tankers are limited in number so they will get prioritised
in a conflict

 

[patriots]

So friends we will have :

Tejas MK-1 : 40
Tejas MK-1A: 83
Tejas MK-2: 201

Total - 324 Tejas variants more then SU-30MKI what we have.

I sincerely hope above new is correct.

Bhai ...then where is the place...of other imported fighters.....

may be govt is going for another tender just to buy time....
or what ...iaf...has said they will induct mk2 but 201 .... seems impractical....to me ...Hal is struggling in production hope Hal will ramp up production.....
if it happens then no doubt we will be real power.....
hope for the best .....

 

[lcafanboy]

TEJAS - MK2 TO FLAY BY 2022 AND IAF GIVEN IN WRITING FOR 201 TEJAS - MK2 BIRDS

DR. CHRISTOPHER

http://indianexpress.com/article/in...etter-than-pakistans-says-drdo-chief-5083268/

India’s AWACS is low-cost, better than Pakistan’s, says DRDO chief
DRDO chief Dr S Christopher said the indigenous AEW&C built by DRDO using modified Brazilian Embraer jets is cost effective and better than the Swedish systems owned by Pakistan.

The indigenous airborne early warning and control system (AEW&C) built by Defence Research and Development Organisation using modified Brazilian Embraer jets is cost effective and better than the Swedish systems owned by Pakistan, said DRDO chairman Dr S Christopher at an event in Gujarat University on Thursday.

Giving an insight into various modern technologies being developed for the military, Christopher, delivering the first i-talk organised by Gujarat Innovation Society (GIS), spoke about how DRDO’s AEW&C platform, christened “Netra”, was close to his heart since he was involved in it right from inception. “In 1985, we thought we should make an AWACS (airborne warning and control system) because at that time the US had brought in their own system,” Christopher said while narrating how the DRDO faced teething problems in the project, which also involved a crash.

The DRDO chief said they had gone for a simpler and smaller platform by using the Brazilian Embraer-145 jets when the project was restarted. “It started with a simpler and smaller platform that is the Embraer,” Christopher said, adding how the five-hour endurance of the system was expanded by adding a complex air-to-air refueling facility.

Claiming that the DRDO’s AWACS was cheaper than its Pakistani counterpart, Christopher said except for the aircraft, the electronics was indigenously made. “Except for the aircraft, all the electronics is ours. So when you compare the cost, it is less than what Pakistanis are having; the Swedish system. In addition to that, their aircraft itself is not as good as ours. It is because our is a jet and that is a turboprop,” the DRDO chief said. Pakistan has Saab 2000 Erieye AEW&C from Sweden.

Tejas Mark-II to fly by 2022

Speaking of Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas, Christopher said HAL had already got an order to manufacture 123 LCAs. “In addition to that, the air force has given in writing another 201 aircraft, which is the next version, that we call as Mark-II. We are working on it and by 2022 it will be flying,” he said.

Was expected. French are making good huge pie to eat. Whoever said Rafales won't come in huge numbers will be eating their words now. Rafales F3r F4 & f4.1/2 will be coming from DRAL Nagpur and in lieu French are helping making LCA Mk1A and mk2 very potent Fighters by transferring Kaveri engine K9 60/95kn K10 72/110kn and there is even talk of Kaveri with 80/125kn thrust which could be used to power su30mki. Besides RBE2 AESA SPECTRA EW sensor fusion all made in India by French vendors. This will eliminate all other suppliers (gripen & f-16s) as they won't be able to compete with French as they are any way investing offset money in India. Rafales too will come in huge numbers around 200-250 and French will be riding AMCA too thereby giving Russians a huge shock (FGFA too bye bye).

Wait for French President to arrive and announce the Kaveri engine success and everything coming out with strategic partnership announcement......

 

[Galaxy 7]

Was expected. French are making good huge pie to eat. Whoever said Rafales won't come in huge numbers will be eating their words now. Rafales F3r F4 & f4.1/2 will be coming from DRAL Nagpur and in lieu French are helping making LCA Mk1A and mk2 very potent Fighters by transferring Kaveri engine K9 60/95kn K10 72/110kn and there is even talk of Kaveri with 80/125kn thrust which could be used to power su30mki. Besides RBE2 AESA SPECTRA EW sensor fusion all made in India by French vendors. This will eliminate all other suppliers (gripen & f-16s) as they won't be able to compete with French as they are any way investing offset money in India. Rafales too will come in huge numbers around 200-250 and French will be riding AMCA too thereby giving Russians a huge shock (FGFA too bye bye).

Wait for French President to arrive and announce the Kaveri engine success and everything coming out with strategic partnership announcement......

Still dreaming for 200 rafales?
Where in the article he is talking about rafale?

 

[Sancho]

IAF will not send Tejas or any plane without an external SPJ

800 L tanks are also good enough

IFR is Impractical for all planes

Tankers are limited in number so they will get prioritised
in a conflict

That's the other part of the current reality, you have a fighter with limited endurance and a tanker fleet, that is far too small to support 30 to 40 squads all over the country. In fact the first 2 squads in the south might not even see a tanker and will be dependent on MKI buddy refuelling.

 

[patriots]

But IAF so far commited to only 83 aesa equipped tejas? But still we dont know which aesa they wil use for mk1a? Integrating aesa radar will take lot of time.

last time I heard that elta radar will be used
bro don't worry we have min 1 year s . uttam has cleared ground testing. hope this will clear other tests within one year ......
Hal has delivered 7 Tejas ioc version...only three in this fiscal year so far ...hope Hal will deliver min 5 jets this year .. still I don't see foc version s from mid of 2019.......
it will take min 1 1/2 year. ..if Hal willbe produce 16 jets per year....
so..we have Time till 2021...
hope till that date uttam and kaveri will be proven

 

[patriots]

http://idrw.org/tejas-mk2-india-sticks-with-its-local-fighter-jet/
Bhai log ,...they have written a lot new things. hope ..it's true....,.......bdw enjoy reading.

 

[Galaxy 7]

http://idrw.org/tejas-mk2-india-sticks-with-its-local-fighter-jet/
Bhai log ,...they have written a lot new things. hope ..it's true....,.......bdw enjoy reading.

This website is a bogus website. They dont hav any reporters.

 

[Steven Rogers]

http://idrw.org/tejas-mk2-india-sticks-with-its-local-fighter-jet/
Bhai log ,...they have written a lot new things. hope ..it's true....,.......bdw enjoy reading.

Nothing new, avionics front is quoted from ais17.

Sent from my Aqua Ace II using Tapatalk

 

[patriots]

This website is a bogus website. They dont hav any reporters.

Bhai I know that....after Christophers .. statement...they have written ..this. ....so I know it's bogus....bdw enjoy reading

 

[kstriya]

The Harrier, informally referred to as the Harrier Jump Jet, is a family of jet-powered attack aircraft capable of vertical/short takeoff and landing operations (V/STOL). Originally developed by UK manufacturer Hawker Siddeley in the 1960s, the Harrier emerged as the only truly successful V/STOL design of the many attempted during that era, despite being a subsonic aircraft, unlike most of its competitors. It was conceived to operate from improvised bases, such as car parks or forest clearings, without requiring large and vulnerable air bases. Later, the design was adapted for use from aircraft carriers.

 

[kstriya]

The Harrier, informally referred to as the Harrier Jump Jet, is a family of jet-powered attack aircraft capable of vertical/short takeoff and landing operations (V/STOL). Originally developed by UK manufacturer Hawker Siddeley in the 1960s, the Harrier emerged as the only truly successful V/STOL design of the many attempted during that era, despite being a subsonic aircraft, unlike most of its competitors. It was conceived to operate from improvised bases, such as car parks or forest clearings, without requiring large and vulnerable air bases. Later, the design was adapted for use from aircraft carriers.

Can we develop a jump jet type variant of LCA Tejas for operations from future LDP/ LHD ?????

 

[binayak95]

yeah, sure. We can. If you want the project to be derailed forever. VTOL jets consume monstrous amounts of fuel, have pretty bad endurance and payload, and are scarily expensive and difficult to make, not to mention, maintenance intensive like nothing else. Stay away from VTOL jets. Not needed for us because we plan to have full-fledged ACs and capable STOBAR/CATOBAR aircraft.

 

[kstriya]

yeah, sure. We can. If you want the project to be derailed forever. VTOL jets consume monstrous amounts of fuel, have pretty bad endurance and payload, and are scarily expensive and difficult to make, not to mention, maintenance intensive like nothing else. Stay away from VTOL jets. Not needed for us because we plan to have full-fledged ACs and capable STOBAR/CATOBAR aircraft.

Every aircraft that has to take off from a carrier deck will consume more fuel. I am sure the Americans are not fools to develop F35 VTOL version there is a requirement for such fighters. If India does have a multiple use platform like Juan Carlos class which can be used like a pocket carrier initial Vikrant class, we might need to buy very expensive F35’s but if we have the LCA in this variant it might help to save costs and learn for a AMCA S/VTOL variant.

 

[binayak95]

Every aircraft that has to take off from a carrier deck will consume more fuel. I am sure the Americans are not fools to develop F35 VTOL version there is a requirement for such fighters. If India does have a multiple use platform like Juan Carlos class which can be used like a pocket carrier initial Vikrant class, we might need to buy very expensive F35’s but if we have the LCA in this variant it might help to save costs and learn for a AMCA S/VTOL variant.

No. Wrong. CATOBAR doesnt need more fuel. It might even consume less than a take off run from a runway.

The Americans are developing the F-35B for the USMC and their pet peeve with VTOL aircraft. I argue that the B variant is the main reason why the F-35 is a disaster.

The IN does not want VTOL aircraft, or else we would have gotten AV-8 harriers from the USMC itself.
Maintaining the harriers was a headache and we lost planes and pilots to accidents.

 

[Sancho]

Can we develop a jump jet type variant of LCA Tejas for operations from future LDP/ LHD ?????

You would have to redesign the complete exhaust system, not possible at tha point anymore.

I am sure the Americans are not fools to develop F35 VTOL version there is a requirement for such fighters.

They were developed for the USMC and export customers with smaller carriers or LHDs.
Any navy that can afford to have larger carriers with arrested landing and ideally even catapult take off capability, would prefer the F35C as well, because of the load advantages.

 

[WolfPack86]

Finally 324 Tejas is good number to inducted in IAF.

 

[rudresh]

Was expected. French are making good huge pie to eat. Whoever said Rafales won't come in huge numbers will be eating their words now. Rafales F3r F4 & f4.1/2 will be coming from DRAL Nagpur and in lieu French are helping making LCA Mk1A and mk2 very potent Fighters by transferring Kaveri engine K9 60/95kn K10 72/110kn and there is even talk of Kaveri with 80/125kn thrust which could be used to power su30mki. Besides RBE2 AESA SPECTRA EW sensor fusion all made in India by French vendors. This will eliminate all other suppliers (gripen & f-16s) as they won't be able to compete with French as they are any way investing offset money in India. Rafales too will come in huge numbers around 200-250 and French will be riding AMCA too thereby giving Russians a huge shock (FGFA too bye bye).

Wait for French President to arrive and announce the Kaveri engine success and everything coming out with strategic partnership announcement......

Wait till he comes here- Though there will be upbeat over kaveri I think it is m88 core every thing depends on what they will offer vs your expectations.

Any way the engine is going to be a highlight but that may not be a great thing for rafale because French are much greedy don't know what they will be offering and how much will be useful for us and our engine. Only time will tell.

Russian plane may be a dark horse.

I clearly quote again we will not be purchasing rafale any thing above 50 or so......

 

[kamaal]

Somebody makes statement and everybody goes gaga over this.

We are not hearing a single positive/negative news regarding the development of MK1A. 40 MK1 is only order HAL has currently, and there is still no surety about the 20 FOC, because FOC is still pending. So fate of 20 MK1 IOC-2 standard is sealed while rest of 20 FOC standard are still waiting for IAF & HAL.

MK1A was promised with reduction in weight, I am damn sure that HAL/ADA has no plans for that at the moment. MK1A for me should be FOC only, with foreign AESA, and nothing more than that. And even for that to come we'll have to wait till 2022.

Indian defense fanboys needs to learn art of hibernation.