ADA Tejas (LCA) News and Discussions

[NeXoft007]

A version of Uttam AESA will also make its way for Ghatak drone.

 

[pankaj nema]

AESA for TEJAS is really very good news

 

[pruthvi24]

For that sake, It was only in Parrikar's time that somethong huge happened in Aviation sector (Indigenous) of this country! Rest all there are talks and articles nothing else on ground!

And it was the reason why people from arms lobby, babus and some people in defence forces wanted him out they even criticised his simplicity parikkar knew it and hence walked away after goa elections and not to forget how church controls the weapons market

 

[F-14B]

hence walked away

actually his collation partners had demanded that they would work with parrikar and no one eles

 

[pruthvi24]

actually his collation partners had demanded that they would work with parrikar and no one eles

That's how you get rid of someone from a powerful position and if I'm not wrong he was the one who revived the Kaveri engine brought in France

 

[Armand2REP]

Tejas jets to get French-made radars
NEW DELHI,OCTOBER 16, 2017

Thales, a French multinational that makes aerospace and defence equipment, has flight-tested an active array radar built specifically for Tejas, the indigenously built light combat aircraft.

The radar is based on the company’s successful RBE2 radar installed on Rafale fighter jets, 36 of which India is buying from Dassault. It meets the specific requirements of the Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. to equip the 80 Tejas-Mk1A aircraft under development.

“In just four months, thanks to our solid, proven experience with the RBE2, we’ve been able to carry out successful flights to test the performance of the key features of the radar we’re offering for the Tejas Mk1A light fighter,” Philippe Duhamel, executive vice-president, Defence Mission Systems, Thales, said in a statement on Monday.

The tests were conducted during summer this year at the Cazaux air base in France, on a test-bench aircraft, focussed on metrological analyses of the radar performance, Thales said.

“These test flights proved that the radar is fully operational and perfectly corresponds to the specific requirements of the HAL for its combat and air-superiority missions. It is therefore ready and able to adapt to the tight schedule imposed by the Mk1A LCA,” the statement said.

A Tejas Mk-1A variant with specific improvements is under development and HAL had earlier this year floated a tender for Advanced Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar and Self-Protection Jammer.

The Defence Ministry has already approved 83 Mk1A for the Air Force, in addition to the 40 basic variants.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tejas-jets-to-get-french-made-radars/article19872682.ece

 

[Rahul Singh]

Tejas jets to get French-made radars

With the focus on Make-In-India, i don't think any other MMR has any chance of getting installed abroad Tejas MK-1A other than 'Uttam' which is already in advance stage of development. Confidence from successful development and operationalisation of DRDO AEW&C Netra has boosted the confidence of IAF. And is considered a plus point helping indigenous UTTAM into Tejas MK-1A

In any case delay of a year or more in getting Uttam fully developed is better than endlessly negotiating which any foreign OEM for the amount of ToT they are ready to part with. Specific of it will be the source code of MMR which is an essential requirement so that HAL could integrate any weapon which user may ask for in future. Something I believe will be hard for any OEM to give away so easily (The main reason why EL-2052 did not fructify despite Tejas having been integrated with DERBY and to be with Python). Especially considering the fact that the primary reason behind pitching sell of any MMR is the potential sale of local weapons like A-to-A missiles etc. If Thales wants to sell RBE-2 (Tejas) definitely MBDA would like to pitch ASRAM, MICA, Meteor etc. Which will bring it in direct conflict of interest with Indian plan of having indigenized much of missile requirement.

Besides, we already have MICA RF equivalent called Astra MK-1. SDFR is Meteor equivalent. Once RCI masters IR seeker tech Astra IR version with TV shall be logically taken up.

So where is the room for any foreign made AESA based MMR on Tejas MK-1A?

Bottom line. Tejas FB admin has confirmed Uttam as choice for Tejas MK-1A

 

[rohit b3]

Tejas jets to get French-made radars
NEW DELHI,OCTOBER 16, 2017

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tejas-jets-to-get-french-made-radars/article19872682.ece

Tommorow I will OFFER my home made Junk Radar to Tejas. After which i will pay some money to the local media outlet and get a headline " TEJAS TO GET ROHIT MADE RADAR"

 

[singh100ful]

With the focus on Make-In-India, i don't think any other MMR has any chance of getting installed abroad Tejas MK-1A other than 'Uttam' which is already in advance stage of development. Confidence from successful development and operationalisation of DRDO AEW&C Netra has boosted the confidence of IAF. And is considered a plus point helping indigenous UTTAM into Tejas MK-1A

In any case delay of a year or more in getting Uttam fully developed is better than endlessly negotiating which any foreign OEM for the amount of ToT they are ready to part with. Specific of it will be the source code of MMR which is an essential requirement so that HAL could integrate any weapon which user may ask for in future. Something I believe will be hard for any OEM to give away so easily (The main reason why EL-2052 did not fructify despite Tejas having been integrated with DERBY and to be with Python). Especially considering the fact that the primary reason behind pitching sell of any MMR is the potential sale of local weapons like A-to-A missiles etc. If Thales wants to sell RBE-2 (Tejas) definitely MBDA would like to pitch ASRAM, MICA, Meteor etc. Which will bring it in direct conflict of interest with Indian plan of having indigenized much of missile requirement.

Besides, we already have MICA RF equivalent called Astra MK-1. SDFR is Meteor equivalent. Once RCI masters IR seeker tech Astra IR version with TV shall be logically taken up.

So where is the room for any foreign made AESA based MMR on Tejas MK-1A?

Bottom line. Tejas FB admin has confirmed Uttam as choice for Tejas MK-1A

How can a radar be selected without the proper air borne testing?

 

[Armand2REP]

Tommorow I will OFFER my home made Junk Radar to Tejas. After which i will pay some money to the local media outlet and get a headline " TEJAS TO GET ROHIT MADE RADAR"

It is better to have 70% indigenous product in service than 100% indigenous product on indefinite hold.

 

[Rahul Singh]

How can a radar be selected without the proper airborne testing?

Given the promise, UTTAM has shown in ground-based testing (roof-top testing) it has in principle acceptance. Once it is integrated with one of the LSP series Tejas and testing is completed it will become standard MMR of Tejas MK-1A.

Tejas MK-1A is still a couple of years away and even if Uttam gets delayed by few years what difference it makes? You can integrate it at a later stage. Point is maximum indigenisation for inherent benefits it brings.

If IAF does not plays spoilsport Uttam is certain for Tejas MK-1A and its more advanced version for Tejas MK-2(if it is not dropped).

 

[Rahul Singh]

[URL=http://idrw.org/aero-india-2017-uttam-aesa-radar-prepped-for-integration-on-lca-tejas/]AERO INDIA 2017: UTTAM Aesa Radar prepped for integration on LCA-Tejas[/url]

UTTAM a multimode, solid state active phased array radar indigenously developed by LRDE has completed extensive ground trials from high-rise rooftop testing to demo mount on Helicopter and now is been prepped for integration on LCA-Tejas to commence flight trials.

idrw.org was informed that LCA-Tejas LSP-2 has been selected to be used has a flying testbed aircraft for UTTAM Radar integration and once integrations are complete LRDE will take around two years for flight trials to completely test radar on all modes.

Software coding for all multiple modes have been completed and soon LRDE will begin the process of integrating the software to allow radar to work on multiple modes. at present Three semi-assembled UTTAM Aesa Radar were designed, built, and assembled for developmental and ground trials and soon LRDE plans to develop Three more fully/semi-assembled radars soon to fast track its development.

 

[Rahul Singh]

Posting it for the purpose of refreshing the matter.

 

[Flame Thrower]

I have a quick qn.

I remember that we had imported nose cone from Chobam as our Kevlar cone is resisting the radar. To my knowledge use of Chobam cone has improved radar range by 25%.

My question is are we still importing the nose cone from Chobam?

Thanks in advance

 

[Rahul Singh]

It is better to have 70% indigenous product in service than 100% indigenous product on indefinite hold.

The larger purpose behind taking up the development of Tejas was/is the creation of an ecosystem which shall make India increasingly self-dependent with time in the field of Combat Aircrafts and associated weaponry. For this reason maximum, possible indigenisation is being pursued in Tejas program............One might also see SNECMA assisted developed version of K-10 turbofan into Tejas in future, maybe as a replacement engine for worn out F-404s.

 

[Rahul Singh]

I have a quick qn.

I remember that we had imported nose cone from Chobam as our Kevlar cone is resisting the radar. To my knowledge use of Chobam cone has improved radar range by 25%.

My question is are we still importing the nose cone from Chobam?

Thanks in advance

To my knowledge since no Indian manufactured came up for the development and manufacturing of nose cone in the required configuration then the order was placed with Chobham for all MK-1s, at least.

 

[Armand2REP]

The larger purpose behind taking up the development of Tejas was/is the creation of an ecosystem which shall make India increasingly self-dependent with time in the field of Combat Aircrafts and associated weaponry. For this reason maximum, possible indigenisation is being pursued in Tejas program............One might also see SNECMA assisted developed version of K-10 turbofan into Tejas in future, maybe as a replacement engine for worn out F-404s.

The programme has been ongoing since 1983, no more delays will be tolerated.

 

[Rahul Singh]

The programme has been ongoing since 1983, no more delays will be tolerated.

The program that was conceptualised in 1983, got limited sanction in 1992 (for TD phase only) and full sanction in 2003 was not exactly what Tejas is in 2017. Today Tejas is a much more advanced platform than just a point interceptor with limited ground attack capability- a replacement for Mig-21- it was originally intended to be.

Regardless, the world over it normal for figher jets to enter into service with limited capability initially and acquire full capability over time. Similar could be the case for Tejas MK-1A. UTTAM being introduced with limited capability initially on Tejas MK-1A.

Like I posted before. Uttam MMR is being integrated with LCA LSP-2 and in a couple of years, it will be fully proven AESA. That is the time HAL is most likely to take to complete development of Tejas MK-1A and start production. Taking minus plus into calculation worst Uttam could delay Tejas MK-1A is by a year.

Furthermore, it took us 5 years just to discover that the Rafale deal in its M-MRCA form cannot be concluded with french. God knows, if we don't take Government to Government approach(not likely) for proposed RBE-2 -Tejas, how long it will take just to conclude the deal on top of the time RBE-2T would take to be proven abroad Tejas?

Do mind as we speak Uttam is being or has already been integrated with LSP-2 for flight testing. Report of the beginning of the integration of Uttam came 8 months ago.

 

[Steven Rogers]

The larger purpose behind taking up the development of Tejas was/is the creation of an ecosystem which shall make India increasingly self-dependent with time in the field of Combat Aircrafts and associated weaponry. For this reason maximum, possible indigenisation is being pursued in Tejas program............One might also see SNECMA assisted developed version of K-10 turbofan into Tejas in future, maybe as a replacement engine for worn out F-404s.

Snecma aren't doing anything special but filling the offset.... They are offering 2nd gen SCB while themselves are moving to 4th GEN SCB technology... DMRL has patented 3rd gen SCB..No way French are enrolling in K10.

 

[Steven Rogers]

The program that was conceptualised in 1983, got limited sanction in 1992 (for TD phase only) and full sanction in 2003 was not exactly what Tejas is in 2017. Today Tejas is a much more advanced platform than just a point interceptor with limited ground attack capability- a replacement for Mig-21- it was originally intended to be.

Regardless, the world over it normal for figher jets to enter into service with limited capability initially and acquire full capability over time. Similar could be the case for Tejas MK-1A. UTTAM being introduced with limited capability initially on Tejas MK-1A.

Like I posted before. Uttam MMR is being integrated with LCA LSP-2 and in a couple of years, it will be fully proven AESA. That is the time HAL is most likely to take to complete development of Tejas MK-1A and start production. Taking minus plus into calculation worst Uttam could delay Tejas MK-1A is by a year.

Furthermore, it took us 5 years just to discover that the Rafale deal in its M-MRCA form cannot be concluded with french. God knows, if we don't take Government to Government approach(not likely) for proposed RBE-2 -Tejas, how long it will take just to conclude the deal on top of the time RBE-2T would take to be proven abroad Tejas?

Do mind as we speak Uttam is being or has already been integrated with LSP-2 for flight testing. Report of the beginning of the integration of Uttam came 8 months ago.

Uttam aesa was for Mk2 from the day one.. For mk1a AESA was planned to be outsourced by HAL not by ADA or drdo