ADA Tejas (LCA) News and Discussions

[kamaal]

This is what Indranil on BR is claiming: https://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7368&start=480

Following is the status and plan for 40 IOC/Mk1 Tejas aircrafts:

Tejas delivered before Calendar year 2017: 3 .. (SP1, SP2, SP3)
Tejas planned for year 2017: 6 ... Cumulative Total: 3+6 = 9 <-- [2 delivered SP4 and SP6]
Tejas planned for year 2018: 8 ... Cumulative Total: 9+8 = 17
Tejas planned for year 2019: 16 ... Cumulative Total: 17 + 16 = 33
Tejas planned for year 2020: 16 or 16+ .. Here 7 MK1 type and 9 MK1A type need to produced to keep line busy in calendar 2020.

You see by year 2020, HAL would have potentially be done with IOC/MK1 type production if everything goes well. Assuming around 11 months that Tejas spends in the assembly line, component delivery(MK1A) of AESA radars, weight reduced landing gear etc need to start coming by 2019. Mk1A needs to be test completed after weight reduction and AESA etc before that. Reducing 1000kg on MK1 will be no easy task no matter what HAL claims. Testing and validating flight parameters will also take time. HAL has at-most 19-20 months to complete Mk1A & place orders to keep production line busy. This is very tight schedule and better is keep producing Mk1 while making incremental improvements in Tejas.

Tejas was supposed to done with FOC in year ... 2015, 2016, 2017. Hopefully, we will see FOC in 2018 and celebrate here on DFI. The point I am making is that some delays are expected and you never know what tantrum comes in from moody IAF. I wish well for Tejas program but we should have reasonable expectations from HAL and ADA. Mk1A and Mk2 are still paper planes, we should be demanding what is available today; HAL can always build Mk1A types(instead of Mk1) if it manages to pull off & deliver in time.

Till now we havn't even seen any single picture of MK1A, right ?

I am damn sure HAL will miss the deadline with 1A as will IAF with FOC.

 

[cannonfodder]

I am not aware of any prototype for MK1A being developed. It will be moment if we see one in near future.

Till now we havn't even seen any single picture of MK1A, right ?

I am damn sure HAL will miss the deadline with 1A as will IAF with FOC.

 

[patriots]

tejas mk1a will based on foc version...


hal ...is focusing on foc first



I think when foc will be in production we will see mk1a prototype

 

[Steven Rogers]

World wide trend also suggest ordering more IOC types. Where is that?

Irrespective, I am not crying here because of delayed FOC since this is only second attempt to make AC by India. So I don't know what to comment on this reply.

IAF trend is buying ready made fighter, last time they bought an incomplete fighter, it ended up retired even before the airframe could cross half of its life.

 

[aditya10r]

IAF trend is buying ready made fighter, last time they bought an incomplete fighter, it ended up retired even before the airframe could cross half of its life.

Marut????????

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[Innocent]

Unmanned Variant of HAL Tejas: How much feasible is it ?
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It was first in 2008 that a news came in that HAL would derive an unmanned variant of Tejas. Then in March 2017 it was massively reported that a team has already started work on the project to convert the LCA into a drone and India’s premier aircraft manufacturer Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) is confident that the project can be carried out within a short time frame.
“We have started an internal study on making a unmanned combat aerial vehicle (UCAV) on the Tejasplatform. Besides, we are confident on coming up with an unmanned version of Chetak helicopter as well,” HAL Chief T Suvarna Raju told ET.
Converting a semi stealth 4+ gen. fighter into a UCAV is quite feasible in India where the cruel environment of Himalayas have taken more lives of pilots than enemy fire power. Earlier conversion of a fighter into trainer has been done so that these fighters could be used as a target practice. Here the displays, the life support systems,the ejection seat and various other systems would be replaced by a large antenna that receives satellite navigation based commands. To operate a UCAV beyond line of sight of a ground based antenna, a robust satellite navigation is needed. Earlier only Americans had it so the developed predator drones. With an indigenous satellite navigation a flying high level unmanned bomber would killer.
India is already developing a stealth UCAV named Ghatak, but the load carrying capacity of such UCAVs is quite decent. The Tejas may be a light fighter but if converted into UCAV and judged by that standards Unmanned LCA would be a high capacity one.
The conversion of a full-fledged fighter system into an unmanned platform is an onerous task. Apart from the easier material changes, including removal of non-essential items (actuallynota simple task on the Tejas, as maintainability roadblocks have shown), the conversion of the Tejas — like Boeing’s conversion of the F-16 to the QF-16 — will involve major changes to the flight control system (FCS). The conversion will also involve the installation of a kill switch/flight termination system to make sure ground control can destroy the aircraft in flight and the addition of telemetry sensors and systems. But the centrepiece of the conversion will be the Tejas FCS. Because the current FCS is designed keeping in mind the health capabilities of a human pilots and intended to filter out human errors. The FCS would be completely new.
It would provide HAL a valuable amount of expertise in this field. It may also be converted into a live target practice drone. Generally a project is launched by agencies considering inputs and suggestions directly from officers of armed forces and analysts. It is not like just an idea is conceived to fulfill one man's flights of fantasy.

Source- FB

 

[cannonfodder]

IAF trend is buying ready made fighter, last time they bought an incomplete fighter, it ended up retired even before the airframe could cross half of its life.

IAF trend is only to buy imported stuff & keep having negative attitude towards indigenous products(no ownership & no long term thinking). Tejas has completed around 3604+ flights; comparing it to some unfinished fighter is some comparison. Won't reply any more.

 

[Steven Rogers]

IAF trend is only to buy imported stuff & keep having negative attitude towards indigenous products(no ownership & no long term thinking). Tejas has completed around 3604+ flights; comparing it to some unfinished fighter is some comparison. Won't reply any more.

I didn't quoted LCA as incomplete fighter, if it has been, it would not been inducted last year.......

 

[Kunal Biswas]

No.45 Squadron will have 11 Tejas by the end of this financial year (March 2018).

According to HAL Chairman and Managing Director T Suvarna Raju, HAL will hand over six more LCA Tejas to the Air Force, bringing the total upto 11.

HAL is investing Rs 1,200 crore to enhance capacity of LCA production from eight per year to 16. "In addition we have adopted a concept of contracting higher modules of the aircraft to the Indian Industry. If the industry starts delivering these modules like front fuselage, center fuselage and rear fuselage, it adds to the capacity of HAL of 16 aeroplanes per year, plus 8 so that we could deliver 24 LCA aircraft per year to the Indian Air Force," he added.

He also said the work on LCA Mk.IA with modifications like AESA radars, refuelling probe and ease of maintenance is going as per schedule. "We are working on it... in the next 18 to 24 months we will be able to demonstrate to our customer on LCA and the product would be delivered in numbers," he added.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Notice the R-60 Aphid missile on KH-2002 (TD-2)..the specs were changed to allow for carriage of the heavier R-73E later. And now the R-73E, although fully integrated, will give way to the Python-5.

@Archer

 

[tejas warrior]

Right, @IAF_MCC will conduct landing & take off operations from the Agra-Lucknow Expressway on October 24. Yes, Tejas may be there.

 

[sthf]

Right, @IAF_MCC will conduct landing & take off operations from the Agra-Lucknow Expressway on October 24. Yes, Tejas may be there.

Hate to say this but Pakis did a bang up job of creating landing strips out of their motorways. Something to learn and implement.

 

[Khagesh]

Most times 2.5 tons of warload will be sufficient.

 

[Khagesh]

The following circuit shows the 200 km range (ie. no external fuel tanks) using Srinagar-Leh pivot. This will most likely be with about 2.5 tons of warload flying subsonic ingress and supersonic egress.

 

[Shashwat]

Bahrain has more likeness towards Tejas / Dhruv than our airforce. Seems like a lot more from HAL display next year at BIAS.

 

[Prashant12]

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[Vinod DX9]

Big News,go through it

 

[Flame Thrower]

Gurus... Does this mean that HAL worked with Thales on Uttam or this is another alternative for Uttam?

Few questions! When we spoke with IAI on Elta 2052 radar...they asked for upgrading two types of aircrafts. One being Jaguar and other is LCA Tejas. If we switch to Thales Radar on Tejas, what would IAI say as we breached the contract?

What about the integration on weapons to this new radar? Since we have to reintegrate Derby and maybe Aastra in near future.
Note: Aastra is not integrated to Elta 2052.

How capable is Thales Radar compared with Elta 2052?

If I am not wrong then we are planning to use Elta 8222 jammers on LCA Mk1A till our jamming pods are developed. Do we need to make any integration with Thales Radar? I also believe that Elta 8222 are kind of plug and play jammers which are being used on Flankers and some say they can be used on Bison too.

The above post has sparked lot of questions, some might be out of topic too. Please answer them patiently.

Thanks in advance

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Thales is offering its product for MK1A, If you read it you will know it ..

Uttam is a national priority project for R&D know how not just for arming a platform, their is nothing can replace uttam and its for MK2 as well as sukhoi and other front-line fighters in near future ..

 

[lcafanboy]

Gurus... Does this mean that HAL worked with Thales on Uttam or this is another alternative for Uttam?

Few questions! When we spoke with IAI on Elta 2052 radar...they asked for upgrading two types of aircrafts. One being Jaguar and other is LCA Tejas. If we switch to Thales Radar on Tejas, what would IAI say as we breached the contract?

What about the integration on weapons to this new radar? Since we have to reintegrate Derby and maybe Aastra in near future.
Note: Aastra is not integrated to Elta 2052.

How capable is Thales Radar compared with Elta 2052?

If I am not wrong then we are planning to use Elta 8222 jammers on LCA Mk1A till our jamming pods are developed. Do we need to make any integration with Thales Radar? I also believe that Elta 8222 are kind of plug and play jammers which are being used on Flankers and some say they can be used on Bison too.

The above post has sparked lot of questions, some might be out of topic too. Please answer them patiently.

Thanks in advance

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