ADA Tejas (LCA) News and Discussions

[abingdonboy]

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Can you please share the Image link, I'm seeing this:

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[airtel]

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Can you please share the Image link, I'm seeing this:
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For all those having doubts about the MK.2, it is very much a reality:

http://*****************/attachments/lca-jpg.6068/

ASMET is usally a test of the vibrations in the relevent aircraft mounts where the engine is cycled thousands of times exposing it to hundreds of simulated missions. It's quite an advanced test to be running and pretty much proves the MK.2 is a certainty.

this is a report of 2015 ?

 

[Rahul Singh]

Wow, this changes everything

Best news to hear in a long time.

After the success of Netra AEW&C IAF there is no doubt that LRDE along with CABS will successfully complete the development of UTTAM and have it integrated with Tejas.

Meanwhile, Astra MK-1 is also ready. So BVRAAM problem solved (hope Isreali lobby does not play a spoiler). I wish RCI develops an IR seeker for Astra MK-1 so that it can evolve as a duel mode guided AAM just like French MICA.

 

[salute]

Wonderful news. Now if only they can deliver mk1a on schedule without more delays.

Thing is, I have a bad feeling that the Uttam integration is going to push back the Mk.1A by at least 3-4 years.

I would much rather an off the shelf solution for at least the first tranche of Mk.1As until the uttam is fully tested and proven.

There is also news that HAL is working with DARE to fulfil the EW needs of the MK.1A so there very well may not be any global RFP for the AESA radar or EW systems.

but what me read that the delay is not with mk1a but with aesa ,

and because of mk1a they got to rush aesa and aesa still got some issues like its heavy and other to sort out .

 

[captscooby81]

Not sure if this pic was already posted here before..If so apologies for reposting it again ..If not then enjoy the snow and the beauty

 

[vikata]

Spot on! And this is what the idiots criticising the LCA project fail to appreciate, before the LCA almost none of the above institutions/labs/centres existed. All have had to be built from the ground up- an entire industry.

This is what makes the threat of buying a foreign SE jet and killing off the LCA project all the more sinister, it will not just be a single project that is killed but an entire industry in India. Screwdriver technology from the US does not compensate for this, India has put in all the hard work to get to this point, no point in throwing it all away for a few shiny toys from abroad.

cant agree more
if possible we should add another production line that is the third one,and rectify and upgrade our aircraft as and when required ,this will be far more sustainable
rather than buying foreign fighters now and even after 40 years

 

[lcafanboy]

http://idrw.org/choosing-the-right-role-for-tejas/#more-142608

Choosing The Right Role For Tejas

In the past few years a lot has been said about the HAL Tejas (LCA) and many experts believe the aircraft is not good enough, it is here just to serve the purpose of increasing the numbers and nothing else. Yes agreed Tejas has had its fair share of problems in the past, but the whole idea of it being “not good enough” comes because we are assigning a wrong role to the LCA. It is a lighter fighter so let it be a light fighter instead of making it a medium-multirole aircraft.

We all remember how easily Tejas performed high-G maneuvers at the Bahrain Air Show, this aircraft is designed to be a high G fighter but in the efforts to make it multirole we sacrifice this capability by putting huge 2000Lbs Kh-59 or 1200lt drop tanks. Instead work should be done on improving the air-air capabilities of the fighter making it a perfect interceptor which employs Derby, Python-5, Astra, R-77 and R-73. The main duty of LCA should be to deny enemy our airspace at all cost, as it is small it can be loaded and dispatched very quickly, and is fit for the role of QRT (Quick Reaction Team).

The whole theory of making Tejas a medium-heavy ground attack aircraft is flawed as it backfires by reducing the aircraft’s performance. Light and precise ground attack is something that better suits the LCA, and must be given priority. Integrating Small Diameter Bomb (SDB), the MBDA Brimstone and even the new indigenous DRDO anti-airfield weapon and the DRDO anti-radiation missiles and the small glide bombs like the Spice 250 and smaller LGB. Now this alternative methods serves chiefly three purposes first of all it doesn’t hinder the performance of the aircraft and then secondly it increases the aircraft’s endurance and finally it works as a dedicated Close in Air Support (CAS) aircraft.

When it comes to CAS India lacks behind, but we are certainly improving with the inclusion of LCH, Rudra and Apache helicopters, but at high altitude like the Himalaya’s helicopters have their own limitations and having an aircraft which has the ammunition of hitting the enemy even when they are in close proximity to our friendly troops is a must have capability as our troops are mostly in close range with the enemy. And the delta wing design also allows the aircraft to fly low and slow making it perfect for CAS. The fact is if we have created a low intensity fighter then there is no shame in admitting that. India is not a country that blindly carpet bombs other nations, when we strike we strike hard and precise with minimal damage to the innocent lives. The future battles are not going to be long wars but instead they are going to be short and swift encounters and Tejas needs to be ready for that.
The continuous delays in the selection of single engine fighter has given us the time to rethink the roles of LCA and even if Gripen or F-16 are selected it won’t hurt the LCA as it is going to be very different in role. The LCA Mk2 should have increased internal fuel capacity, better A2A capabilities and higher endurance and a much better radar and engine.

The IAF has SU-30MKI for air-superiority and for deep penetration strike will have Rafale, Mirage2000 and the new single engine fighter would be the medium fighters and for low intensity fights we have the MiG-21 (soon to be retired) thus Tejas is the true heir to the MiG-21 but it is very different from it as well, LCA has a remarkable safety record and assigning it to a role fit for its design is the best visible option. The F-35 is so expensive and suffering so many problems because it was intended to be the jack of all trades but it became the king of noting, let’s not make the same mistake with Tejas

 

[Hari Sud]

LCA is built as an interceptor and it is good at it. It can also carry 2000 pound bombs, if need be but there are 7 other types of aircrafts in IAF inventory to do that. If LCA shoots down enemy aircrafts with missiles or gun, it has done its job. It did execute 7 G manoeuvre that makes it into higher end fighter for a dog fight. Thus it has all attributes of a great light weight fighter. Anybody trying to assign it any other job I.e. To fight an air battle and carry bombs is asking too much.

Stick with the job it is built.

 

[tejas warrior]

LCA is built as an interceptor and it is good at it. It can also carry 2000 pound bombs, if need be but there are 7 other types of aircrafts in IAF inventory to do that. If LCA shoots down enemy aircrafts with missiles or gun, it has done its job. It did execute 7 G manoeuvre that makes it into higher end fighter for a dog fight. Thus it has all attributes of a great light weight fighter. Anybody trying to assign it any other job I.e. To fight an air battle and carry bombs is asking too much.

Stick with the job it is built.

It has already demonstrated 8G manoeuvres !!

 

[square]

LCA is built as an interceptor and it is good at it. It can also carry 2000 pound bombs, if need be but there are 7 other types of aircrafts in IAF inventory to do that. If LCA shoots down enemy aircrafts with missiles or gun, it has done its job. It did execute 7 G manoeuvre that makes it into higher end fighter for a dog fight. Thus it has all attributes of a great light weight fighter. Anybody trying to assign it any other job I.e. To fight an air battle and carry bombs is asking too much.

Stick with the job it is built.

i think the intercepter role already asign to interceptor missiles.......and we are deploying enough of them from akash to barak...

 

[TPFscopes]

i think the intercepter role already asign to interceptor missiles.......and we are deploying enough of them from akash to barak...

An interceptor aircraft, or simply interceptor, is a type of fighter aircraft designed specifically to attack enemy aircraft, particularly bombers and reconnaissance aircraft, as they approach. ... For daytime operations, conventional fighters normally fill the interceptor role, as well as many other missions.

 

[TPFscopes]

LCA is built as an interceptor and it is good at it. It can also carry 2000 pound bombs, if need be but there are 7 other types of aircrafts in IAF inventory to do that. If LCA shoots down enemy aircrafts with missiles or gun, it has done its job. It did execute 7 G manoeuvre that makes it into higher end fighter for a dog fight. Thus it has all attributes of a great light weight fighter. Anybody trying to assign it any other job I.e. To fight an air battle and carry bombs is asking too much.

Stick with the job it is built.

i think, LCA mk2 will change your perception as Interceptor....

 

[TPFscopes]

Some stunning pics of desi bird....

credits to HESJA Aviation Photography

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Tejas are multi-role light fighters ..

 

[kunal1123]

WHY GOD WHY..........................................................

idrw.org
LCA-Tejas FOC delayed: Update - Indian Defence Research Wing
2 minutes
SOURCE: IDRW NEWS NETWORK

Minister of State for Defence Subhash Bhamre while replying to a question put forward by a Parliamentarian in Rajya Sabha said that Final Operational Clearance (FOC) of LCA-Tejas will likely happen by June 2018.

Firing of Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missile with radar guidance already has been achieved but it will require further testing to meet FOC Standards, while Close Combat Missile (Python-5 ) testing is pending due to delays in carrying out modification required by OEM (Israel) for integration into LCA-Tejas for trials as per Industrial sources close to idrw.org .

India already has integrated Russian supplied R-73 Within Visual range Air-to-Air missile (WVRAAM) but decided to all so equip LCA-Tejas with Israeli manufactured Python-5 WVRAAM.

Flight testing of Tejas with an air-to-air-refuelling probe is progressing well, but much of the flight testing will be completed in the last phase since IAF has not stressed for equipping the Second batch of 20 LCA-Tejas MK-1 with Inflight-refueling probe immediately but it IFR trials are mandatory requirements which need to be cleared for granting of FOC Certifications .

Canon Gun trials of LCA-Tejas has been carried out in Ground based trials before in flight based trials could begin, but due to bad wheater at weapons testing site and due to other reasons, it is has been kept pending but testing will be completed in next few months. Other Air-to-ground weapon trials have been largely completed.

NOTE : Article cannot be reproduced without written permission of idrw.org in any form

 

[sjmaverick]

And the delta wing design also allows the aircraft to fly low and slow making it perfect for CAS.

My limited understanding is the opposite to above stated general rule, i meant Delta wing design are excellent in supersonic high speed high altitude as compared to traditional wing designs and vice versa for ground support low speed low attitude operation where traditional wing design like Jaguars excel.

Can somebody correct me if i am wrong on this

 

[FactsPlease]

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idrw.org
LCA-Tejas FOC delayed: Update - Indian Defence Research Wing

Minister of State for Defence Subhash Bhamre while replying to a question put forward by a Parliamentarian in Rajya Sabha said that Final Operational Clearance (FOC) of LCA-Tejas will likely happen by June 2018.
...
Flight testing of Tejas with an air-to-air-refuelling probe is progressing well, but much of the flight testing will be completed in the last phase since IAF has not stressed for equipping the Second batch of 20 LCA-Tejas MK-1 with Inflight-refueling probe immediately but it IFR trials are mandatory requirements which need to be cleared for granting of FOC Certifications.

Canon Gun trials of LCA-Tejas has been carried out in Ground based trials before in flight based trials could begin, but due to bad wheater at weapons testing site and due to other reasons, it is has been kept pending but testing will be completed in next few months. Other Air-to-ground weapon trials have been largely completed.
...

Thanks for update.

Too bad news. But I'm not that following exactly what cause the delay.

Article seems to hint it's some test queuing/scheduling problem, caused by IAF. But if the IFR is mandatory, testing team will surely already know this choke point, right? So what's that to do with IAF stress on 2nd batch of Mk1 or not?

In the mean time, the article said weather at testing site cause delay in gun in-flight trial, which is "a few months"? Well, June-2018 is almost one full year, not just "few months".

-- BTW, please someone educate me will this FOC delay affect the production plan of Mk1?

More questions not clarified...

 

[Pulkit]

http://idrw.org/lca-tejas-foc-delayed-update/

Another Year with no FOC in sight now its gonna be 2018 .
Its just a pathetic state in which our organisations work.

People defaming Tejas will get another chance to defend themselves and we are left without any guard.

 

[sjmaverick]

WHY GOD WHY..........................................................

idrw.org
LCA-Tejas FOC delayed: Update - Indian Defence Research Wing
2 minutes
SOURCE: IDRW NEWS NETWORK

Minister of State for Defence Subhash Bhamre while replying to a question put forward by a Parliamentarian in Rajya Sabha said that Final Operational Clearance (FOC) of LCA-Tejas will likely happen by June 2018.

Firing of Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missile with radar guidance already has been achieved but it will require further testing to meet FOC Standards, while Close Combat Missile (Python-5 ) testing is pending due to delays in carrying out modification required by OEM (Israel) for integration into LCA-Tejas for trials as per Industrial sources close to idrw.org .

India already has integrated Russian supplied R-73 Within Visual range Air-to-Air missile (WVRAAM) but decided to all so equip LCA-Tejas with Israeli manufactured Python-5 WVRAAM.

Flight testing of Tejas with an air-to-air-refuelling probe is progressing well, but much of the flight testing will be completed in the last phase since IAF has not stressed for equipping the Second batch of 20 LCA-Tejas MK-1 with Inflight-refueling probe immediately but it IFR trials are mandatory requirements which need to be cleared for granting of FOC Certifications .

Canon Gun trials of LCA-Tejas has been carried out in Ground based trials before in flight based trials could begin, but due to bad wheater at weapons testing site and due to other reasons, it is has been kept pending but testing will be completed in next few months. Other Air-to-ground weapon trials have been largely completed.

NOTE : Article cannot be reproduced without written permission of idrw.org in any form

Sadly all 3 pending points remain with more or less same status since Jan this year

 

[Raj Malhotra]

Basically it's a Babu speak to say Derby BVR, Python 5, Gun are all work in progress and their full battle ready level integration has not been achieved. This reflects very badly on ADA & Israeli that they cannot fully & completely integrate Israeli weapons, with Israeli radar and Israeli avionics inspite of 10 years struggle.