ADA Tejas (LCA) News and Discussions

[Trinetra]

littile slow here it should be 17-18: 12, 18-19: 20, 19-20: 24

Yes.. I also believe so.. but intial step are always like this. plus govt. apathy.. I would recommend a 3rd production line to a private industry of LCA and AMCA for later..to meet our fighter requirement which could be exported in near future also.. If we need to meet our squadron requirement... Hope Govt. will look into this..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

I was telling this to many people here, Government have plans to increase production line ..

Let it be HAL or by Private ..

 

[tharun]

For 4 years the Chinese were only making 4-5 JF-17s a year, HAL will beat this rate within 18 months.

That was wrong number..they are making 16-18 planes each year...i read news in dawn

 

[abingdonboy]

Yes.. I also believe so.. but intial step are always like this. plus govt. apathy.. I would recommend a 3rd production line to a private industry of LCA and AMCA for later..to meet our fighter requirement which could be exported in near future also.. If we need to meet our squadron requirement... Hope Govt. will look into this..

HAL had tried to find a private partner to set up a 3rd production line but now it seems they are doing it by themselves so the private sector must not have been too interested (too busy kissing foreign OEM's ass I guess).

 

[abingdonboy]

That was wrong number..they are making 16-18 planes each year...i read news in dawn

Now they are but the Thunder has been in production since late 2009. HAL will be at the 16-18 figure within 3 years of commencing production.

For the first 4-5 years the Chinese were barely producing 5 Thunders a year.

 

[mayfair]

The second line when fully operational can produce three aircraft per year.

I hope that's a typo or a joke. Only 3 aircraft a year???

And here I was prepped up for lungi dance...

 

[Trinetra]

HAL had tried to find a private partner to set up a 3rd production line but now it seems they are doing it by themselves so the private sector must not have been too interested (too busy kissing foreign OEM's ass I guess).

So 3rd Production line will be done by HAL only?.. Thats good then.. Some Private industry should be there who would be willing work along with HAL for for betterment of country and their own profit sake..

 

[tharun]

Now they are but the Thunder has been in production since late 2009. HAL will be at the 16-18 figure within 3 years of commencing production.

For the first 4-5 years the Chinese were barely producing 5 Thunders a year.

2009 to 2017 means 8 years..they churned about 80-100 by this time...
we need atleast 1.5 squadron each year or 30+

 

[abingdonboy]

I hope that's a typo or a joke. Only 3 aircraft a year???

And here I was prepped up for lungi dance...

Because it is not a full blown production line but a reconditioned hanger.

Very smart move by HAL to make use of the assets they already have, creating a production line is an enourmous undertaking that would require vast capital and considerable construction work. Instead HAL have made use of facilities/structures that were already existing but otherwise would have been unused and the results speak for themselves, the line is already up and running. I would guess this is a temporary measure as they wait for CCS approval for the full blown 3rd production line. Again, a very shrewd move by HAL.

Maybe HAL will set up a 4th production line or simply close down this reconditioned hanger production line and set up a production line identical to the 3rd production line.

 

[abingdonboy]

2009 to 2017 means 8 years..they churned about 80-100 by this time...
we need atleast 1.5 squadron each year or 30+

Only about 60-70 Thunders are in service which equates to an average of 8 (or so) a year.

The Chinese were not churning out many at the start at all and the PAC facility at Kamra only recently was operationalised.

 

[tharun]

Only about 60-70 Thunders are in service which equates to an average of 8 (or so) a year.

The Chinese were not churning out many at the start at all and the PAC facility at Kamra only recently was operationalised.

How many blunders are in operation at present?

 

[abingdonboy]

How many blunders are in operation at present?

60-65, maybe 70.

Now they are churning them out at a decent rate (16-18), 7 years after production commenced.

 

[scatterStorm]

People are crying like a bitch over HAL rolling out only X no of Tejas an year, remember the hardest part of any manufacturing facility is to at least get there wheels rolling and be operational. This is our first time, so going gentle is the only way to learn, we don't have the luxury of Lockheed's and Boeing's facility but at least we can reach there. Now we don't want our boy's to drop from mid air just because a crappy nut job do we? There's still optimization in supply chain management required from both the private corp. and HAL but I have no doubt's that it will pick up the pace and with each iteration, our tejas will be more than capable to bring down rain from the skies.

Once the roll out pace is linear, more facilities will require less ground work and hence workload will be balanced out, simple optimization theory.

Have a little faith!

 

[Trinetra]

How many blunders are in operation at present?

Ha HA hA .. EPIC man .. Blunders..

 

[rohit b3]

HAL sets up second Tejas production line

# By Anantha Krishnan M
Published: Feb 2, 2017, 11:13 AM IST​

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Tejas SP5 aircraft being integrated at the new facility at Aircraft Division. Pics: Balachandra, HAL
Bengaluru: Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) has set up a second line for the series production of Tejas. The new line has come up at Aircraft Division in December 2016, with the facility now being equipped with full-fledged assembly jigs.
Currently Tejas SP-5 is being integrated here, while SP-4 already moved to the final stages of systems checking at the LCA Division. HAL has converted the erstwhile Kiran hangar to set up this additional production line.The second line when fully operational can produce three aircraft per year.
HAL Chairman T Suvarna Raju told Mathrub
humi that his team is committed to delivering the remaining series production Tejas platforms without any delays.
“We had our share of concerns and all that has been put behind now. We had adopted all modern production philosophies to roll out a world class fighter. The feedback from the user has been encouraging. You will see SP-4 and SP-5 flying soon,” says Raju.

HAL hopes to roll out 3 Tejas from the new line, once fully operational.

The additional facility has been set up notwithstanding the approval from Ministry of Defence for another full-fledged Tejas production line. This is to augment the Tejas production so that the Indian Air Force could strengthen the No 45 Squadron.
HAL awaits the crucial Cabinet Committee on Security nod for the third Tejas production line. Around 30,000 sq meters of HAL land has been identified near Nekkundi for setting up structural assembly hangar, process shop and sheet metal shop, among others.
During a recent visit to Tejas facilities, V Sridharan, ED of LCA Division, gave an update on the series of new initiatives taken by HAL.
“We have established a new tarmac for the No 45 Squadron for day and night operations. A second dedicated drop tank test rig also has come up now, in addition to a new storage area space as well,” says Sridharan.
He said during the outstation detachment at AFS Thanjavur recently, SP-1 and SP-2 flew seven sorties in a single day.

The new tarmac at LCA Division for No 45 Squadron is capable night operations as well.

As reported earlier, a 2400 sqm LCA Final Assembly hangar with annexe building has already been established. Also, a state-of-the-art painting facility is operational now.
“This is the first of its kind in the country. It has a wet type downdraft paint booth facility,” adds Sridharan.
(The writer is the Content Consultant with Mathrubhumi (English Online) and tweets @writetake.)


http://english.mathrubhumi.com/news...s-production-line-aircraft-division-1.1700394

""The second line when fully operational can produce three aircraft per year."" ??? Just 3?

 

[tharun]

60-65, maybe 70.

Now they are churning them out at a decent rate (16-18), 7 years after production commenced.

We need to churn out a minimum of 20-30 each year..............................

 

[ezsasa]

HAL had tried to find a private partner to set up a 3rd production line but now it seems they are doing it by themselves so the private sector must not have been too interested (too busy kissing foreign OEM's ass I guess).

Let's not jump the gun yet..

Strategic defence manufacturing partner policy is yet to released. Ideally Strategic equipment like LCA cannot just be given to L1 bidder. Other factors need to be taken into account, as this relation will last 2-3 decades at least.

 

[abingdonboy]

We need to churn out a minimum of 20-30 each year..............................

From 2020 this will be possible.

 

[abingdonboy]

""The second line when fully operational can produce three aircraft per year."" ??? Just 3?

See my reply above.^^^


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[kunal1123]

I also think this news seems to validate the IDRW news that the MK.2's production will be entirely handed over to a private player with HAL taking care of the MK.1A. Earlier HAL were trying to rope in a private player for this 3rd production line but I guess they didn't get any serious interest and thus are going alone.

i dont think that for MK.2's production will be entirely handed over to a private player, it will be more like jv in hal and private player with hal act as a consultant ....