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Which role suits LCA 'Tejas' more than others from following options?

  • Interceptor-Defend Skies from Intruders.

    Votes: 342 51.3%
  • Airsuperiority-Complete control of the skies.

    Votes: 17 2.5%
  • Strike-Attack deep into enemy zone.

    Votes: 24 3.6%
  • Multirole-Perform multiple roles.

    Votes: 284 42.6%

  • Total voters
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Raj Malhotra

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There is some speculation that SP-1 is actually LSP-6, SP Trainer will be borrowed from PV series and HAL has been able to produce only two SP for the squadron of 4 aircraft. This would be extremely poor performance by HAL which really needs to up its Game.
 

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There is some speculation that SP-1 is actually LSP-6, SP Trainer will be borrowed from PV series and HAL has been able to produce only two SP for the squadron of 4 aircraft. This would be extremely poor performance by HAL which really needs to up its Game.
Any source confirming SP1 as LSP 6 ?

Too many paid media are behind Tejas and spreading negative news as per directions of their Masters $$ !!
 

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There is some speculation that SP-1 is actually LSP-6, SP Trainer will be borrowed from PV series and HAL has been able to produce only two SP for the squadron of 4 aircraft. This would be extremely poor performance by HAL which really needs to up its Game.
What is that SP1 and LSP6 ?? Can't find it . Anyone please

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there is some difference in the engines that r used in land & on sea ?
does the navy Tejas have the sea worthy F404 ?
 

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there is some difference in the engines that r used in land & on sea ?
does the navy Tejas have the sea worthy F404 ?
The GE 404 and 414 were designed ground up for operations in the marine environment. This was one of the major selling points and the reason we chose the 414 over the EJ 200. You dont need to worry about it. The 404 powered the F 18s till the C/D versions and the E/F was powered by the 414
 

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But even in dogfight A to A missiles are needed, along with canon. Besides, the aircraft needs other load augmenting paraphernalia like towed decoy, jammer pod etc....all necessary tools in interception/ dogfight.
higher numbers hold the 90% percent advantage in dogfights, where tejas with its state of the art tech , compensates for lesser weapon loads.
 

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http://idrw.org/two-planes-iaf-bring-lca-tejas-home/

IAF did not form mirage squadron with 20 fighters all at once, In fact when first Mirage-2000 arrived after full payment it had only the gun as its only armament, All missile integration were done far later.

Same with Su-30 , IAF bought , flew , trained for a decade & returned the first 40 su-30 fighters to russia , and then got their promised SU-30 MKI version in exchange.

When Jaguar arrived in IAF the primary purpose for it was bought i.e ground attack was not working , because of the faulty Nav-Attack system, Then indian R&D was commissioned to remedy it with a new nav attack system 3 years later.

note , in all the above mentioned purchase IAF parted with big money before a single fighter ever touched down, Still they all landed in indian soil with host of issues.

Mig-21 which was bought in hundreds did not even have a gun & radar when it landed in india.

USAF is inducting a hundred F-35s with out even an IOC and with far lower flying specs than originally asked for.

By contrast tejas mk1 that IAF is buying can land & take off from Leh(no fighter in the world can do that without special modification) has guns, missiles, and a lot of other bells & whistles from day one, without IAF even parting with a penny from day one itself.

COmpare that to the skeleton buys that were made by IAF spending big money through out its history, which were all later spruced up.

There is no way in the world even french airforce would have formed their first rafale squadron with 20 fighters at one go.

Even lay man can easily understand that squadrons formed on new production fighters cant be done with all at one go.

Most important point concealed in the article is ---"FUNDING FOR PRODUCTION OF TWO TECH DEMOS (TDs) WERE RELEASED ONLY ON 1993. so from 1993 to 2013 IOC is a normal development time frame for any 4.5th gen fighter , even in western countries that have already designed , produced & exported 1000s of fighters all over the world.

SAAB is canvassing for gripen E around the world without even an IOC, Without even knowing that you are asking HAL to have mercy !!

For your information, HAL produces more Su-30 MKis every year than the rafales produced by Dassault .

Without freezing of production specs no fighter maker can go for full scale production. IAF wanted more & more spec improvement on the mk1 itself which led to delays in freezing of production specs, which led to delay of commencement of full fledged serial production.

In fact when HAL asked for money to build the new state of the art production facility , from which tejas is slowly ramping up, MOD asked HAL to put up 1000 cr from its own internal accruals, get the rest 50% from IAf & Navy as late as 2014!!!

With IAF still not giving a concrete commitment on tejas mk1 A(all in maohar parrikar's words only, we dont know whether IAF has communicated in writing to HAL, with concrete orders & advance!!) how can a production org like HAL can firm up 2000 cr brand new production line just for 20 tejas mk1 order from IAF!!!(and face the music from CAG!!)

Till 2014 there was no tejas mk1 A talk, and only concrete order for HAL is just 20 tejas mk1s!!! Only after manohar parrikar was appointed by Modi, tejas mk1 A SOp was iorned out, It took Manohar Parrikar 13 meetings & two years to bring IAF, HAL around the table to fix this,

IAF , which cries "fighter shorage",did not pay any hefty advance to HAL either, but they were ready to pay the same to SAAB (if they were selected in MMRCA) with just two gripen E prototypes with no IOC, FOC!!!
 
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There must be flight tests even for series production fighters, right? How long do they test before handing over to customer? Do they test all maneuvers for each plane?
 

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Revealed: The LCA Tejas That The IAF Has Chosen
Shiv Aroor Jun 27 2016 12 25 pm




India’s home-built Tejas light fighter will finally be formally in squadron service with its primary customer, the Indian Air Force, starting Friday. On July 1, the Indian Air Force’s is all set to induct a pair of series production airframes of the Tejas Mk.1 at a planned event there’s a conspicuous lack of noise about. Sure, the number of aircraft being inducted will be a tenth it takes to call itself a real squadron. And sure, the Tejas won’t be zipping off on combat air patrol or air defence duties immediately. But the significance of July 1 has perhaps already been lost in the turbulence of both the programme, as well as the way it has by default been regarded.

In October last year, your site had advocated that the LCA Tejas needs to see service as quickly as possible. That, in a sense, is what will be beginning to happen this Friday. But as you’ve probably heard already, it isn’t the Mk.1 type of the Tejas that has the IAF all lit up, but a configuration it agreed on last year designated the Mk.1A that’ll form the true Tejas backbone in service — 80 aircraft, with the possibility of 40 more have been ordered. In the tumult of operational clearance points and timelines, not very much has been reported on the Mk.1A itself and why the IAF has its sights set on the type, and what has been reported is mostly broad.

The known updates are clear. The Mk.1A will be mid-air refuellable, sport an updated internal Radar Warning Receiver (RWR) — likely in-house kit from the DRDO’s DARE laboratory — an external Self Protection Jammer (SPJ) pod to enhance survivability and an AESA Radar, both of which the Tejas programme is scouting international suppliers for. The IAF has also stipulated that the Tejas Mk.1A needs to be able to fire different types of BVR and close combat air to air missiles. The Tejas has so far fired Vympel R-73 CCMs and a Derby BVR missile. It’ll need to prove itself using the R-77, Python-5 and DRDO Astra too. Those, Livefist learns, are on track.

The meat of the Mk.1A will be a slew of major improvements in the LCA’s squadron-level maintainability contours. It is difficult to overstate just how much importance the IAF has placed on ramped up no-nonsense maintainability, more than a milestone away from the admittedly unwieldy maintenance architecture built into the Mk.1. On maintainability alone, the Tejas Mk.1A will have the 43 improvements out of 57 planned on the bigger, more powerful Tejas Mk.2:

  1. Panel interchangeability: In the prototype stage, composite panels were built and matched to specific airframes. For the Mk.1A, tooling will be built up and panels moulded lending themselves to easy interchangeability between airframes, plus spares. The IAF won’t deal with a platform that doesn’t allow at least this level of squadron-level maintainability, so this is priority.
  2. Quick access: Several airframe panels that required daily servicing have a large number of screws that need to be removed — a time consuming affair that eats into the platform’s turnaround time. These will be replaced on the Mk.1A by quick release fasteners making it easier and faster for maintainers access, considerably bringing down time required to service aircraft. Importantly, quick release fasteners will remain with the panel and therefore minimise FOD chances.
  3. Gromets in composite panels: When fasteners are regularly used for removal and installation, there is a possibility of damage and widening of holes. Mk.1A panels will have to stop this.
  4. LRU positions: A number of LRUs will be repositioned for better access. Current configurations make it nuisance to access frequently used LRUs.
  5. Additional aids: The Mk.1A package will contain ground handling aids and testers to enable speedier turnaround of aircraft
But what about the Tejas Mk.2? The planned up-engined, beefed up Tejas variant has hit a bit of a vacuum now, with the IAF all but pronouncing that it won’t be pursuing the type. A contest awarded to GE for the the F414-GE-INS6 turbofan engine hasn’t translated into a contract yet. But the Mk.2 programme is still very much on. A top official told Livefist, “As far as ADA and HAL are concerned, we are progressing design and development of Mk.2 as it has been approved by the Govt. There are benefits in continuing with it.”

Improvements planned on the Tejas Mk.2, apart from the more powerful engine and attendant expansion of op envelope, include new sensors, new indigenous actuators, and a new indigenous avionics architecture. The variant will also involve the removal of 250 kg in ballast weight, a further half ton weight reduction through revised design factors, performance improvements by “aerodynamic refinements of geometry”, an internal electronic warfare suite (incorporate in the Mk.1A plan), a brand new suite of indigenous avionics systems currently under development, a new digital flight control computer, OBOGS for mission endurance. Crucially, the Mk.2 will also sport an additional LP bleed port from the engine, a safety feature to ensure crucial backup for flight-critical Bleed Air Shut Off Valve (BASOV) failure for fuel tank pressurisation. In addition, the type will get fuel system improvements, NVG compatible external lighting with LEDs.

http://www.livefistdefence.com/2016.../UQMw+(LiveFist+-+The+Best+of+Indian+Defence)
 
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