ADA Tejas (LCA) News and Discussions

[Rahul Singh]

Yes there is no point in delivering SP-2 with old radome. We might see three four Tejas getting handed over to IAF at once in later half of the year.

 

[tejas warrior]

LSP3 & LSP7 are going for IronFirst !!

 

[Superdefender]

Cost of Tejas Mk.1A is estimated $28 million each now. If $1 becomes 60 Rupees in 2017, then what will be the cost of Mk.1A?

 

[Chinmoy]

Cost of Tejas Mk.1A is estimated $28 million each now. If $1 becomes 60 Rupees in 2017, then what will be the cost of Mk.1A?

In that case, it would be 1680000000 INR or 168 Crore INR

 

[Bahamut]

Cost of Tejas Mk.1A is estimated $28 million each now. If $1 becomes 60 Rupees in 2017, then what will be the cost of Mk.1A?

The cost LCA is decided in rupee not dollars and change of dollar will have very little effect if the level of local production is higher then 75%.

 

[PaliwalWarrior]

Cost of Tejas Mk.1A is estimated $28 million each now. If $1 becomes 60 Rupees in 2017, then what will be the cost of Mk.1A?

So you want to be the chair marshal club member ?

You guys are acting like

Going to buy a car to a mfgthen when he asks what do you want in the car

You are like
Hmmmmm let's see

I want feature x which is in merc
Feature y from Lexus
Feature z from Volkswagen
Feature a from BMW
Feature B from ferAri
Feature c from lambiugini
Feature d from Landover
Feature e from Jaguar

And last but not the least

I want all of these in my car and my car in the budget of maruti 800

The mfg / salesman will say politely itne mein itna saaraghanta milega BC MC

 

[Superdefender]

So you want to be the chair marshal club member ?

You guys are acting like

Going to buy a car to a mfgthen when he asks what do you want in the car

You are like
Hmmmmm let's see

I want feature x which is in merc
Feature y from Lexus
Feature z from Volkswagen
Feature a from BMW
Feature B from ferAri
Feature c from lambiugini
Feature d from Landover
Feature e from Jaguar

And last but not the least

I want all of these in my car and my car in the budget of maruti 800

The mfg / salesman will say politely itne mein itna saaraghanta milega BC MC

Man, you are not making any sense! Mention clearly what is your point?

 

[cannonfodder]

India's Tejas Aircraft Integrated With Russian, US missiles

India’s indigenous Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), the Tejas will be integrated with the US- and Russian-origin missiles and is expected to fly this month during the Indian Air Force show.

The jet is currently undergoing final operational clearance and will soon be inducted into the Indian Air Force (IAF).

The IAF has confirmed that the Tejas jet will be flying at the IAF exercise, ‘Iron Fist-2016’, in Rajasthan on March 18, Tribune India reported.

The Tejas will fire the beyond visual range (BVR) air-to-air missile, the R-73 of Russian origin, and the precision laser-guided bomb Griffin missile, produced by US company Raytheon.

Air Marshal B.S. Dhanoa, Vice-Chief of the IAF, was quoted as saying today that the LCA shall do both tasks in a single flight.

The exercise will display the ‘capability to punish’, said the IAF Vice-Chief.

LCA also features new quartz radome radar from Cobham, UK. The radar was flight-tested in the last week of February and is expected to increase the radar range to 80 km and beyond.

Meanwhile, the Ministry of Defence has decided to locally produce 106 upgraded Light Combat Aircraft Tejas jets to replace the ageing fleet of MiG fighter aircraft of the Indian Air Force. The “Tejas Mark 1-A” will have 43
improvements over the existing Tejas currently being test-flown by the IAF for various parameters and slated for final operation clearance in March.

The existing project is running years behind schedule. The Ministry of Defence has set a 2018 deadline for the first aircraft to be ready with a target to complete its production by 2022-2023.

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/15...grated_With_Russian__US_missiles#.VuHtp_krK70

 

[nitish.sarangi]

India's Tejas Aircraft Integrated With Russian, US missiles

India’s indigenous Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), the Tejas will be integrated with the US- and Russian-origin missiles and is expected to fly this month during the Indian Air Force show.

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/15...grated_With_Russian__US_missiles#.VuHtp_krK70

In the Last Iron Fist also Tejas fired griffin and R73.. Was hoping for rocket or derby firing.. but I think will have to wait till FOC.

 

[smestarz]

The cost LCA is decided in rupee not dollars and change of dollar will have very little effect if the level of local production is higher then 75%.

Engines and avionics. are imported... so some of it will be in dollars. Americans wont take rupees would they?

 

[sasum]

Engines and avionics. are imported... so some of it will be in dollars. Americans wont take rupees would they?

Except Airframe, everything in Tejas will be imported including ejection-seat and stealth paint. Components & sub-systems indigenization will take many years, if taken up at all. Many prevailing technologies related to radar, navigation, engine are set to become obsolete in a decade. If UCAVs can be made to operate at supersonic speed, and data-transfer between on-board sensors, cameras and ground/ship-based operator speeded up, piloted warplanes may be done away with.

 

[Superdefender]

Except Airframe, everything in Tejas will be imported including ejection-seat and stealth paint. Components & sub-systems indigenization will take many years, if taken up at all. Many prevailing technologies related to radar, navigation, engine are set to become obsolete in a decade. If UCAVs can be made to operate at supersonic speed, and data-transfer between on-board sensors, cameras and ground/ship-based operator speeded up, piloted warplanes may be done away with.

So can you guess cost of each Mk.1A in 2017 if $1 becomes 60Rupees?

 

[sasum]

So can you guess cost of each Mk.1A in 2017 if $1 becomes 60Rupees?

In 2017, $=₹67 approx.
With growth (presumably) in GDP, there will be unrelenting inflation.

 

[garg_bharat]

Except Airframe, everything in Tejas will be imported including ejection-seat and stealth paint. Components & sub-systems indigenization will take many years, if taken up at all. Many prevailing technologies related to radar, navigation, engine are set to become obsolete in a decade. If UCAVs can be made to operate at supersonic speed, and data-transfer between on-board sensors, cameras and ground/ship-based operator speeded up, piloted warplanes may be done away with.

The local content in LCA is 60%. That is definitely more than airframe.

 

[garg_bharat]

The imported content of LCA is around 10m per plane. That is definitely better than hawk which is a trainer.

If domestic aesa comes along, local content will rise further.

Ejection seat can be made in india.

 

[sasum]

The local content in LCA is 60%. That is definitely more than airframe.

Do not go by the volume of content, go by the value of content. If we are using 2000 pieces of nut bolts, that means nothing. One single unit of turbo-Jet means everything.

 

[archie]

Do not go by the volume of content, go by the value of content. If we are using 2000 pieces of nut bolts, that means nothing. One single unit of turbo-Jet means everything.

When orders get confirmed and production line starts churning you will see a lot of make in india .. economies of scale always dictate where things are made.. if you have order for 200 A/c then local content percentage will rise up may be in 90's

 

[sasum]

economies of scale always dictate where things are made.. if you have order for 200 A/c then local content percentage will rise up may be in 90's

This holds good for mundane things, not for products of proprietary technologies.
You know, Bollywood is the largest producer of feature films in the world. It started with imported Eastman Kodak color raw-stock in the 50s and more than half-a-century later today still dependent upon foreign raw-stock & chemicals. Here I am not even going into digital technology where every piece of hardware and software come from foreign sources. Similar examples abound. 10% of students in India wear glasses but still premium quality like photochromatic and Tory lenses are not made in India.
Bharat Forges dream of making defence hardware like howitzers but failed to design & develop a CRDi automotive engine for passenger cars. All Indian cars sport imported ones from Germany, Japan, South Korea etc. Talking of economies of scale, india is the second largest consumer of mobile phones, but which part of your smart-phone is made locally from scratch?
It hurts me as much as you.

 

[Bahamut]

@smestarz We have ToT for the engine as it will be built in India and as for other system talks are on for full ToT and increasing the no of critical local content.

 

[Yumdoot]

Do not go by the volume of content, go by the value of content. If we are using 2000 pieces of nut bolts, that means nothing. One single unit of turbo-Jet means everything.

Using the same logic does having a single unit of a real deployable aircraft mean anything to you?

And exactly how do you know that the 60% indigenization is only with respect to nuts and bolts volume-stuff and that DRDO is not talking about the value-added?

Though I must admit you are in august company. An Air Marshal had recently claimed that LCA has only 35% indigenous content while taking liberal help of the current CAG's report (Shashi Kant Sharma, Ex Defence secretary appointed CAG by Manmohan Singh Govt.).