ADA Tejas (LCA) News and Discussions

[ezsasa]

Can India export Tejas to Iran with American engine? I guess no, so K9 being introduced to Tejas is a necessity...

I believe Iran will not depend on anyone for their defence manufacturing, that too with a american engine. They had effects of sanctions worse than us, majority of their game is based on indigenous defence design and manufacturing. More over they copy everything from everybody. if Tejas is really a good design, we might see a Iranian replica of Tejas in a short period of time if they want to.

 

[pmaitra]

In 2015 May - September, the CAG reports stated that the Tejas lacked pilot protection from 7.62 calibre ammunition.

Does anyone know if this has been fixed with the Mk1a and other new versions?

No, it has not been fixed. It is not a defect. Protection from 7.62 mm ammo is irrelevant for a high altitude interceptor. It is only relevant for CAS aircraft. This has been discussed long time back when this report came out.

 

[Nuvneet Kundu]

No, it has not been fixed. It is not a defect. Protection from 7.62 mm ammo is irrelevant for a high altitude interceptor. It is only relevant for CAS aircraft. This has been discussed long time back when this report came out.

CAG is a bureaucratic organisation who blindly cross-checks the outputs against promised goods. They don't select the parameters for evaluation themselves. The parameters are agreed upon mutually by the end user and manufacturer before the product is made so that the final product can be evaluated for compliance after it is made.

If they are saying that Tejas lacks protection from bullets then one needs to investigate who put that parameter there? was it the IAF? I smell some insider foul play to make sure that Tejas never gets clearance.

 

[aliyah]

nah iran is not in farsight in tejas sell. the strategic buyer of tejas will be Vietnam . a clear msg to china.......u give something to pak, same will be done by india in Vietnam . 1 stone 2 birds down strategy

 

[kstriya]

nah iran is not in farsight in tejas sell. the strategic buyer of tejas will be Vietnam . a clear msg to china.......u give something to pak, same will be done by india in Vietnam . 1 stone 2 birds down strategy

Still do you think Vietnam should buy Tejas with a American engine, they too have suffered sanctions and might be averse to such a deal but a K9 engine would be sensible for Vietnam as its a Indian engine with uninterrupted supply for foreseeable future..

 

[Nuvneet Kundu]

nah iran is not in farsight in tejas sell. the strategic buyer of tejas will be Vietnam . a clear msg to china.......u give something to pak, same will be done by india in Vietnam . 1 stone 2 birds down strategy

It also kills 2 birds with one stone for the US strategic interests. That's why they are so eager to give us their engine to complete the Tejas project on time. First, it weans India away from Russian equipment and hits the Russian arms industry in a major way since India is their biggest customer. On top of that, when Indian Tejas starts bidding in foreign defense contracts, it will be competing against Russian and Chinese made planes in the 'affordable jets' segment, so it takes away whatever remaining sales they had. The US couldn't compete in these tenders until now because they don't have an affordable jet to offer. Once Tejas enters the market, it will give the Russian and Chinese planes a tough run for their money. India gets to sell some planes and US gets to make some money on the side by selling engines.

If we sell to Vietnam, we must sell a 100% indigenous plane with Kaveri engine. Not to mention, we should try to replace our own GE engines with Kaveri as and when our engines reaches the required thrust mark.

 

[kaboom!]

Still do you think Vietnam should buy Tejas with a American engine, they too have suffered sanctions and might be averse to such a deal but a K9 engine would be sensible for Vietnam as its a Indian engine with uninterrupted supply for foreseeable future..

i dont think there will be a problem of an american engine for vietnam since:
1. vietnam is in talks with US and allies for TPP(trans pacific partnership) which is US's way to build close economic relations with asia-pacific countries to counter chinese influence
2. In October 2013, the United States and Vietnam signed a pact allowing for the transfer of nuclear fuel and technology from the U.S. to Vietnam......so there is already nuclear tech transfer
3. In October 2014, the United States approved a relaxation of its arms embargo on Vietnam that has been in place since 1984.......so no arms restriction also.


overall Vietnam will be an excellent export destination for Tejas but i would much rather prefer seeing it in Republic day flypast in arrowhead formation

 

[kstriya]

Do we have any program to develop SDB small diameter bomb's for Tejas as it would greatly increase the ground attack capability with more ordinance on limited hard points, like true multi role configuration of BVR, WVR and SDB out of eight even if we use two hard points for SDB it will carry 8 missiles and rest 6 hard points can be used for BVR or WVR as per mission or for CAS all eight hard points can be used with SDB i.e. 32 missile's can bring havoc on the tank formation of the enemy or infantry.

"The GBU-39 Small Diameter Bomb (SDB) is a 250 lb (110 kg) precision-guided glide bomb that is intended to provide aircraft with the ability to carry a higher number of more accurate bombs. Most US Air Force aircraft will be able to carry (using the BRU-61/A rack) a pack of four SDBs in place of a single 2,000 lb (907 kg) bomb.[8]

The Small Diameter Bomb II (SDB-II) / GBU-53/B, scheduled to enter production in January 2014, will add a tri-mode seeker (radar, infrared homing, and semiactive laser guidance) to the INS and GPS guidance of the original SDB."

 

[harsh]

Tejas MK-1 will come of age in A2A Configuration: While Team LCA Tejas is busy putting up a Speculator show in its very first International outing in Bahrain Airshow, Another Team back home is busy preparing to start full-fledged BVRAAM Weapons firing trials which should begin by March later this year as per well-informed sources close to idrw.org.

With the deadline for FOC Certification fast approaching, DRDO is working hard integrate one of the key requirement needed by LCA-Tejas to Clear that is Testing of its Close Range and Beyond visual range missile in its full Air-2-Air Configuration.

In full A2A Configuration, LCA Tejas can carry 6 Close Combat Missile (CCM) for Short Range Interceptions or 4 BVRAAM along with 2 Drop Tanks for Longer Combat Air Patrol (CAP) and Interceptions. DRDO and HAL plan to test LCA-Tejas in all possible combination of CCM and BVRAAM missiles and for the first time, Tejas will be showcased fully armed in A2A Missiles Configuration which will surely be a treat for supporters of the program said Source.


wow 10 missiles with 2 drop tanks...........this is awesome if true

 

[harsh]

http://idrw.org/tejas-mk-1-will-come-of-age-in-a2a-configuration-source/

 

[punjab47]

@harsh I think it's either or, as atm Tejas has certain stuff on weapon pod that will be integrated later. EW pod & other things, Tejas has 8 hard points,

So 6 or 4 + 2 tank makes sense.

Some of the missiles may be too big for smaller hard points like center.

 

[Bahamut]

Still do you think Vietnam should buy Tejas with a American engine, they too have suffered sanctions and might be averse to such a deal but a K9 engine would be sensible for Vietnam as its a Indian engine with uninterrupted supply for foreseeable future..

We are getting the full ToT for both engine and end user rights ,but presently tejas use 50% foreign components which will decrease to 25 % by 2017, so 2020 tejas will be 100% made in India andat that time we start to export it aggressively.

 

[Chinmoy]

No, it has not been fixed. It is not a defect. Protection from 7.62 mm ammo is irrelevant for a high altitude interceptor. It is only relevant for CAS aircraft. This has been discussed long time back when this report came out.

I wonder who would fire with an FN-FAL or AK at Tejas . The aircraft canon use at the range of 23 mm bullet. And CAG is asking protection for 7.62mm .

Who feed these stats to these thick head bureaucrats????

 

[Chinmoy]

And @ersakthivel surprise surprise surprise. May be your tweets did some good...........

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/in-a-first-tejas-takes-part-in-international-air-show-1269342

 

[punjab47]

@Chinmoy cag is just baniya accountants as Bharat karnad pointed out.

Wrong to expect much out of them,

They consider something like Intel chip foreign, which it is but technically if software system is desi it's desi. He had post on it, I quoted while back.

Tejas is likely even more indigenous than stated but probably not less than 40% as major subsystems still foreign.

 

[hriday]

We are getting the full ToT for both engine and end user rights ,but presently tejas use 50% foreign components which will decrease to 25 % by 2017, so 2020 tejas will be 100% made in India andat that time we start to export it aggressively.

really are we getting full ToT for both engine?

 

[harsh]

@harsh I think it's either or, as atm Tejas has certain stuff on weapon pod that will be integrated later. EW pod & other things, Tejas has 8 hard points,

So 6 or 4 + 2 tank makes sense.

Some of the missiles may be too big for smaller hard points like center.

well in my view 2 bvrm + 4 wvrm + 2 drop tanks will be standard
If we develop multi rack system then parhaps we can have more wvr missiles.

 

[Bahamut]

really are we getting full ToT for both engine?

One is confirmed while other is in final stages ,IAF will except tejas only when they know engine can maintained and made completely in India after Su 30 incident. Kaveri engine will be the final replacement for the foreign engine .

 

[Chinmoy]

@Chinmoy cag is just baniya accountants as Bharat karnad pointed out.

Wrong to expect much out of them,

They consider something like Intel chip foreign, which it is but technically if software system is desi it's desi. He had post on it, I quoted while back.

Tejas is likely even more indigenous than stated but probably not less than 40% as major subsystems still foreign.

I do agree........... but someone might have feed them this thought. I doubt whether they know the diffrence between 7.62 and 5.56 mm or not. Who might be their tech adviser who have said that it must be able to stop 7.62 mm rounds. Its as if they have made up their mind that Tejas will always be on ground and would face bullets from fidayen's.

 

[Nuvneet Kundu]

One is confirmed while other is in final stages ,IAF will except tejas only when they know engine can maintained and made completely in India after Su 30 incident. Kaveri engine will be the final replacement for the foreign engine .

That's refreshing to hear. Can you provide citations for "Kaveri engine will be the final replacement for the foreign engine"? I googled but didn't find anything.

Also, the ToT for which engine has been confirmed? GE404 or GE414?